Somebody doesn't want Americans to see Michael Moore's new film, Fahrenheit 9/11

[invisibleplanet]

Copy and paste this and send it to all your friends!
---------------------------------------------------------------------

WHO PAYS THE BILLS FOR "MOVEAMERICAFORWARD.ORG"
A web site has launched a campaign to deter theater owners from
showing Michael Moore's film, "Fahrenheit 9-11". A list of theaters
currently committed to showing the film is provided along with
exhortations to call and demand that the film be dropped. Some
theater owners are reporting receiving death threats.

This web site, "www.moveamericaforward.org", is actually an alias
for "www.moveamericaforward.com". A DNS check reveals
that "www.moveamericaforward.com" is being run by a Public Relations
firm out of San Francisco.

Registrant:
Russo Marsh & Rogers
770 L Street, #950
Sacramento, CA 95814
US

Domain name: MOVEAMERICAFORWARD.COM

Administrative Contact:
Lorenz, Douglas dlorenz@r...
770 L Street, #950
Sacramento, CA 95814
US
916-441-3734 Fax: 916-441-6057

Technical Contact:
Lorenz, Douglas dlorenz@r...
770 L Street, #950
Sacramento, CA 95814
US
916-441-3734 Fax: 916-441-6057


Registrar of Record: easyDNS Technologies, Inc.
Record last updated on 18-Nov-2003.
Record expires on 18-Nov-2004.
Record created on 18-Nov-2003.

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EASYDNS.COM 216.220.40.243
NS2.EASYDNS.COM 205.210.42.20
REMOTE1.EASYDNS.COM 64.39.29.212
REMOTE2.EASYDNS.COM 212.100.224.80

PDF file of original WHOIS info for MoveAmericaForward.org showing
ownership and administration by Russo Marsh & Rogers.

Russo Marsh & Rogers is a political public relations firm with
strong ties to the GOP. Sal Russo, a principle in Russo Marsh &
Rogers, served as advisor for the "Recall Grey Davis" campaign.

So, I guess we know just who is behind the campaign of threats and
harassment against theaters showing Moore's film!



UPDATE: Following the first publication of this article, the WHOIS
database for moveamericaforward.org has been changed to conceal
their links to Russo Marsh & Rogers.

Domain ID102814530-LROR
Domain Name:MOVEAMERICAFORWARD.ORG
Created On:18-Nov-2003 18:00:16 UTC
Last Updated On:12-Jun-2004 22:50:51 UTC
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Expiration Date:18-Nov-2004 18:00:16 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R1247-LROR
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tu48DTsaZ7dXgT7L
Registrant Name:Howard Kaloogian
Registrant Name:Howard Kaloogian
Registrant Organization:Move America Forward
Registrant Street1:P.O. Box 1863
Registrant City:Sacramento
Registrant State/Province:CA
Registrant Postal Code:95812
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.9164416192
Registrant FAX:+1.9164416057
Registrant Email:howard@moveamericaforwar d.org
Admin ID:tuW9UfAOApXQOh1k
Admin Name:Howard Kaloogian
Admin Organization:Move America Forward
Admin Street1:P.O. Box 1863
Admin City:Sacramento
Admin State/Province:CA
Admin Postal Code:95812
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.9164416192
Admin Email:howard@moveamericaforwar d.org
Tech ID:tu92eyg19oABIqVC
Tech Nam
e:Howard Kaloogian
Tech Organization:Move America Forward
Tech Street1:P.O. Box 1863
Tech City:Sacramento
Tech State/Province:CA
Tech Postal Code:95812
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.9164416192
Tech Email:howard@moveamericaforwar d.org
Name Server:NS1.EASYDNS.COM
Name Server:NS2.EASYDNS.COM
Name Server:REMOTE1.EASYDNS.COM
Name Server:REMOTE2.EASYDNS.COM

Note the phone number on the above record, 9164416192. It's actually
the phone nuber of a BAR in Sacramento called "The Downtown
Purgatory".! The FAX number 1.9164416057 is the FAX number for Russo
Marsh & Rogers


---------------------------------------------------------------------


ANOTHER UPDATE - The DNS record for moveamericaforward.org has been
changed yet agian to remove all names.Nothing is left now but the
name server lookups and the registration company. The registrar's
name has been removed.

---------------------------------------------------------------------


Sal Russo himself is still listed on the MoveAmericaForward site.
Here are some links about him.

http://www.defendreagan.org/?Page=AboutUs

And about Howard Kaloogian, the Chairman of moveamericaforward.org.

http://www.fact-index.com/h/ho/howa...gian.htmlHoward Kaloogian was
chairman of the Recall Gray Davis Committee

http://www.howardforsenate.com/ Howard Kaloogian, GOP candidate for
the Senate

http://www.defendreagan.org/?Page=AboutUs Howard Kaloogian also
launched a smear campaign against CBS and Viacon to prevent them
from showing the miniseries "The Reagans."


---------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/russo.html

[V Knid esq]

This web site, "www.moveamericaforward.org", is actually an alias
for "www.moveamericaforward.com".

Goodness, devillish clever these right wing chappies!

[marcel]

[invisibleplanet]

the cheney-bush administration must be shitting itself because of this Moore film

hahaha

[Sheridan]

I don't think it will have that big of an impact. the right wing wont watch it so no converts there. also a lot of the info in the movie has been discredited by the 9/11 comission anyway. all you are getting is a skewed view point from the left. as much as I like michael moore he is just the liberal equivalent of rush limbaugh.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Sheridan
I also a lot of the info in the movie has been discredited by the 9/11 comission anyway.

has it? do u have more info on this, please sheridan?
thxinadv

[Sheridan]

I can look around if I have time. but on sunday morning I was watching a political news show on one of our networks here. and they had michael moore on with george stephanopolous. I think I murdered his last name but he worked with the clinton adminstration. anyway they were on there talking and george pretty much called moore out hard. bringing up stuff about bush's connection with osama as being false. I didn't see all of it, I came in in the middle but what I did see proved to me what I've thought of moore from the start. he is smart and informed, but just like right wingers do he manipulates his info to fit his agenda and own opinion. I am sure fahrenheit 9/11 will be dead on in spots but when I see it this weekend I am taking a large grain of salt with me.

[Sheridan]

let me rephrase my first statment. I shouldn't say a lot of the info in 9/11 has been discredited but there are some holes. I will see if I can find some transcripts on line of the show I saw.

[Sheridan]

here is one quote I came across from the show. I am looking for more.

michael moore:

it's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration,'' Moore said on This Week with George Stephanopoulos. ''I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism.''

[Sheridan]

here you go:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/ThisW...e040620-1.html

[Yer_Maw]

Originally posted by Sheridan
as much as I like michael moore he is just the liberal equivalent of rush limbaugh.

Isnt that exactly what is needed though? Why should is it ok for the right have a monopoly in presenting facts in a way that benifits their point of view, even if that means lying through their teeth? However I dont think micheal moores a liar, hes just trying to get his point across in the best possible way, for the best possible reasons. Beat them at their own game i say, well done michael moore, and well done al jazzera.

[Sheridan]

I don't think it is 'exactly' what is needed. when you come out swinging the way limbaugh or moore does you push away the opposition. and in the end you are only preaching to the converted. then what gets accomplished. nothing. you create a wider chasm of disdain for those people and like minded people. we need to meet halfway and actually discuss the issues. not scream them from across a canyon. I like moore and I like to see what he does and has to say. but he is not the face to challenge the bush party and system. he will not bring them down alone. the biggest problem with the liberals is their complete inability to unite. hopefully moore will get the liberals moving but he is such a hot topic that most people will not want to associate with him.
but I want your opinion yer maw on why al jazzera is a good thing.

[Yer_Maw]

yeah but take a look at your signature. It blatantly highlights the type of thinking that the left have to content with. Why not go with them guns blazing? The 911 commision say there was no link between iraq and bin laden, yet both governments are still trying to insist that there is. How are you meant to fight blatant lies like that? Pussy out and splash figures about or get a whole nation, if not the world talking about and debating a film that questions the shite that keeps getting fed to us. If it creates a chasm then so what? These people are not going to back down, they have their support motivated and their avenues of propoganda down to a tee. why not play them at their own game and show them up for what they really are and in turn get people thinking about what is actually going on.

I dont think the lefts inability to unite is the problem, its the lefts inability to take issues by the BAWS and really stand up and fight for what they think.Instead of sitting about, eating olives and cheese, writing poetry and debating whether or not it is 'right' to argue in such ways instead of just going out and bloody doing it.

ps

Al jazerra: They are doing exactly what i mentioned, doing what any scumbag news agency would do, except their doing it for the other side. "Oh no how can this news agency show these things, play tapes from al qaeda thats so wrong." You think for one minuite that FOX news would take the moral high ground, and not go for the big scoop if the tables were turned? They are just the exact same, except for the other side, and are showing them up for what they really are.

phew!

[Sheridan]

you are right. it is good to talk about these issues. and get people going. and we should fight them at their own game a bit. but in the end the only thing that will oust bush is if people fucking vote him out. now I am a big critic of the american voting system and actually do not vote for president since it is a sham. I will this time even though I live in a republican state and my vote doesn't mean shit. but mainly I will vote so I can vote against banning gay marriage in my state. but that was part of my point about the liberals inablity to unite. there are tons of people who hate bush and want him gone. but will you see them at the polls this november. I highly doubt it. the republicans are a well oiled machine when it comes to the democratic process. especially with help from the christian coalition. the democrats seem like they can't be bothered. and that is why they have been floundering for so long. even when clinton was in office the democrats couldn't unite to fix shit. 8 years: health care: not fixed. 8 years: exploring school voucher and or updating the public school system: not fixed. the list goes on. I hope that you are right and a taste of their own medicine will hurt the republicans. and maybe moore's movie might spur it a little. but in the end there are only two things that will put bush out. him not meeting the publics demand on issues i.e. jobs, economic growth, and this terrible mess in iraq. and the second is if people actually get up and vote.

a vote not cast is a vote for bush.

[aljones15]

Originally posted by Sheridan
I don't think it will have that big of an impact. the right wing wont watch it so no converts there. also a lot of the info in the movie has been discredited by the 9/11 comission anyway. all you are getting is a skewed view point from the left. as much as I like michael moore he is just the liberal equivalent of rush limbaugh.

actually the article in usa today claiming distrotions of the facts in moore's film turned out to be false. in fact the film's basis is approved by the 9/11 panel's findings. there's one thing in the film though that is mis-leading, u.s. authorities did question the Bin Ladens before they left the county, while Farenheit implies that they didn't question them and them quitely slips that fact in a muffled bit of conversation after almost 10 minutes of battering around homeland security for not questioning the Bin Ladens. it's an odd moment.

I think the big problem with Farenheit 9/11 is that it's nothing new. Most of it's facts are things we already knew long before seeing the film. regardless when i saw it line out the door, theater was packed, people cheered, and my older brother's friends called it propoganda. I gotta get my voter registration shit in.

peace,
a

[pille'ocheoni]

i have to agree as well.

the reason i dont want to pay to go see Farenueit/911 is becuase its some boring as shit. same stupid shit, bush is a retard, mongoloids run our country, death before digrace. yada yada poo poo.

i paid to go see spiderman instead, and it was well worth it. other than dumb ass spidey being an idoit around chicks. that made me mader than hell. "kiss her, you fucking moron!"

but im sure farenhiet is a good flick, there promoting it so damn much. every fucking rap star is talking about it. now its cool to hate bush. what the fuck have we come to now. global retardation?

[pille'ocheoni]

after reading more indepth about all this. i truely have to say. i think the english should run our country again, or some other european countrym shit i dont care just some other one.

all you guys (well not all you guys) are way more concerned with our politics than even us i think. its proablly a daily topic.

Well, I'm about to give it a watch. I doubt I'll see much new. The idea of views from both sides is good and necessary. It's an art piece, and Moore's just as entitled to his spin as Rush, or anybody else that wants to say anything at all.

However, one thing you must wipe from your minds is the idea that the voting system works and is fair in this country. It is manipulated, innaccurate, and certain places votes don't even get counted. It's always been this way. The folks who are REALLY running things have the politicians put on a nice show of things, but the idea that you can just vote Bush and the people who back him out of office is ludicrous. You can't vote him out. You have to either buy him out and buy somebody else in, or remove him by more forceful means. That's how this game works, kids.

[darny.m]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

haven't had an opportunity to read this yet.

Re: That slate article

You have to put it into the perspective that Christopher Hitchens is a very confused man. He was once practically a communist and now supports the Bush governments War on Terror, he swings back and forth like a twisted pendulum. He has an agenda as big as Michael Moores.

[Yer_Maw]

thanks steve, i read that last week and it seemed well written and credible. Another moore bash for the memory bin!

[Loz]

Apparently he's more than happy that illegal copies are appearing on the net, too

http://www.sundayherald.com/43167/

[Sheridan]

pongoid, where do you live??

[alan_decal]

Originally posted by darny.m
http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

haven't had an opportunity to read this yet.

Really good response to that Slate article.
http://www.zmag.org/content/print_ar...5&sectionID=21