New Squarepusher?

[anarchosyn]

Just curious if anybody has heard anything about his next venture, or an ETA for when to expect it?

My most favorite squarepusher track (currently) - and ironically also my most favorite track period at the moment - is the first composition he played live on BBC radio 1 a few months back. Amazing stuff.

I skipped his most recent tour, but I was told he played about 30% new material (and took requests, odd that). During the US tour before that, he played about 70% new material, most of which sounds like it ended up on Ultravisitor a few months later - hence this post.

[KaOz]

sorry but the live squarepusher stuff that he performed is cool, but it reminds me on aphex twin.. and that not THAT good....
some of that stuff he played is just like afx´ mangle 11 track.
i miss his jazzy stuff... that was so cool.
hard normal daddy forever.
but he will never touch richard.... rdj is still the daddy

[KaOz]

cut up wank

[V Knid esq]

Bollocks Kaoz. Absolute nonsense. Given that RDJ completely nicked that acid/jungle hybrid sound from Tom, it's pretty ridiculous to accuse Squarepusher of sounding like Aphex Twin.

Anyway the new 3-track EP is absolutely LUSH. It's 2 mixes of new track 'Venus No. 17', which is really ravey/junglist, more dancefloor friendly than loads of the stuff on Ultravisitor, but still fucking fierce, plus a long brilliant atmospheric acid/jungle thing, which I think is the same track he performed at the Ether Festival.

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by KaOz
sorry but the live squarepusher stuff that he performed is cool, but it reminds me on aphex twin.. and that not THAT good....
some of that stuff he played is just like afx´ mangle 11 track.
i miss his jazzy stuff... that was so cool.
hard normal daddy forever.
but he will never touch richard.... rdj is still the daddy

rdj is good, but I wouldn't say any of the Breezeblock stuff sounded like him, to any large degree. Especially not the mangle mix (great track, btw). Most of the Breezeblock stuff sounded like uninspired jungle (Well, within the first 25 mins, which is all I've heard). In retrospect, most of it isn't even my cup of tea - but that first track and the ambient piece it fades into are amazing (to me).

That first track actually sounds more of a reference to classical chord structures to my inexperienced ears, and the beat is fairly stable compared to the mangle mix.

V Knid esq

What label released the E.P.? No mention of it over at warp.com - not that I saw anyhow.

Does the distro extend to the USA, or just to you and a close nit circle of mates?

btw - I think rdj's "jungle" sound is really an evolution of his Hangable Auto Bulb stuff (which is really just an exercise in using long rolls) and influenced more by mike paradinas than Tom, but I won't deny tom's general influence on his tempo (just not the structure.. I have yet to really hear somebody steal tom's use of ghost snares).

[V Knid esq]

It's on WARP... not out yet... I can't find the press release to say when it is released, but it'll be on bleep.com for sure.

[anarchosyn]

Thanks, man.

If you've heard the Venus no. 17 cuts, are they very different from the version released in limited quanities with Ultravisitor?

I would assume so, but I'd also assume one would be exactly the same (due to the limited distro) and one would be altered.

Man, I sure wish RDJ and Tom would release a full length together. "Freeman, Hardy and Willis Acid" was a really amazing work.

[KaOz]

im bored of sqps eventide jungle stuff... nothing special.....

and dont tell me that u cant compare his newer jungle stuff with tracks like rdj´s mt st saint michaels church or vordhosbn....
its really the same in a away... but tom still usin his orville over it....

its pretty soulless....

1/2 year more and i think tom should learn somethin from hrvatksi or whatever...

i hope he will find his jazzy roots again....

[KaOz]

anarch, did u heard gemini from hrvatski btw?

amazing tracks.. awesome structure.

its on the new planet mu v/a

[V Knid esq]

There's jazz ALL OVER Ultravisitor.

[KaOz]

rotfl yeah yeah

[V Knid esq]

What do you mean? There is.

[KaOz]

50% of the tracks on that record are not jazz in a classical way like the older sqp stuff is, i thought after the period of go plastic tom goes back to his old production processes....
and pretty wierd are those 6 string tracks, dunno why he put those tracks on that record... his bass playin is not THAT good, sometimes i think hes tryin to imitate Miroslav Vitous or the Presentation Styles of Wooten. That not a Problem but hes talkin so much over his Bass Skillz
in interviews... wierdo.
dont get me wrong, i like that new record, its cool. but its just a record that "works" for me. the a/b thing between functionality and reall classical aspects are defenently not the big point on that record.
Aphex Twin is simply better. Trust me

[KaOz]

and other tracks ur talkin about are cool, just cool. they are simply clubby jungle... not more.

[KaOz]

i miss the time of Viberts Plug Project... thats the Record... thats the good thing between form & function. and better as every sqp record.

[V Knid esq]

Well it's different strokes for different folks and all, but are you sure your ears aren't made of cloth?

[KaOz]

believe me i have brilliant ears

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by KaOz
im bored of sqps eventide jungle stuff... nothing special.....

and dont tell me that u cant compare his newer jungle stuff with tracks like rdj´s mt st saint michaels church or vordhosbn....
its really the same in a away... but tom still usin his orville over it....

I disagree, the style of beat programming is very different between the two. Tom's primary output is modelled on live drum playing, you can tell he's imagining playing on a kit for his rhythms. His off time rolls and ghost hits relate to jazz drumming styles far more than RDJ.

RDJ, especially the drukqs material, is far more electronic (i hope you know what I mean by that).

What's wrong with the Eventide? I think it sounds very very slick.

1/2 year more and i think tom should learn somethin from hrvatksi or whatever...

I think the learning needs to go in the other direction. Hrvatski (which is the name of the native language of Croatia in croatian) really doesn't program rhythms at all, his skill seems to be in loop manipulation, and even then the quality is only that of the source loops.

He also, imho, has issues with staying with an idea once he get's the flow going. His quick changes, never to return to the same idea, schizo'ed structure style works on some tracks, but is really annoying on others. It's like the old joke about english/ohio/portland: "Don't like the weather? Wait 5 minutes"


Ironically, I just put his planet-mu full length in my car's cd changer (it has been locked away in a CD case for the last few months). I'll give a listen again to gemini, as I'm not remembering it based on title alone.

[KaOz]

anarch please, tom just imitate buddy richs drumming....
and i dont talk about toms jazzy stuff anyway, u should read my earlier posts first.... i talked about the "classical" functional jungle tracks hes doin now in acts like the breezleblock, which is completely different compared to his earlier stuff.
i love hes JAZZY stuff... fuckin awesome.
or dnb tracks like port rhombus. wicked shit

[KaOz]

and that stuff now from those acts is very drukqs´ish

....

[KaOz]

or muziq´ish, or vibert´ish etc

[V Knid esq]

I don't think those new tracks are "just functional". He's doing sonic things with them that no-one's ever done. OK, it is a definable style, but he throws new twists all the time... and check the uk-garage style acid track that was on the Ultravisitor single - sounds like nothing on earth!

[V Knid esq]

They are "functional" in as much as they will make a club go crazy, mind you!

[KaOz]

abacus?

[anarchosyn]

Again, to each their own. I really like the idea of fusing jazz and classical with mashed up beats. The best aphex was also based on a classical paradigm (his older, classical, r&s works like Polynomial C and even some of the first AFX stuff).

I really don't mind people ripping off the AFX, Aphex, Squarepusher sound. I could use a few more cuts in my crate with that tonal quality. I'm sick of all the lill IDM kids sounding like autechre (aerovane, funkstorung, people off skam, kids at www.em411.com, etc).

[KaOz]

arovane has nice melodys mate

but true, autechre are the best. maybe that sounds stupid but the original is simply the best isnt it?! =)

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by KaOz
arovane has nice melodys mate

but true, autechre are the best. maybe that sounds stupid but the original is simply the best isnt it?! =)

Yeah, they (she? he?) are ok, and I really like a lot of em411'ers and funkstorung as well. It's not in the quality of their works but in the originality of the structure that bugs me.

I'm getting SO sick of AE inspired IDM. It so lacks funk and soul. It's ok from them, but due to how easy it is to make it seems everybody flocks to it (that's not to say their isn't any merit to what AE is doing with their concept, but the basic structure is far easier to emulate than aphex or tom's work, imho). Skittery breakbeats at 130~ BPM with a melodic line over top... *yawn*.

[KaOz]

i never thought to much about ae, but i feel good if i listen to the music of sean and rob. its simply nice.
and i wouldnt say its easy to emulate ae´s sound, sure in a way... but they are still class. and nobody of us did ever a track in the class of some ae tracks.

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by KaOz
i never thought to much about ae, but i feel good if i listen to the music of sean and rob. its simply nice.
and i wouldnt say its easy to emulate ae´s sound, sure in a way... but they are still class. and nobody of us did ever a track in the class of some ae tracks.

I agree, but the real gem of early AE (pre LP5) wasn't the technicality (well, it was at the time, nowdays no) but the originality.

Nirvana's music is likewise easy to cop, but the weight of their tunes is in the fact that THEY were the first to squeeze them out. I used to get in arguments with wankerish guitarists that wouldn't give Cobain the slightest nod because of his lack of technicality. I took great pleasure in pointing out that the ability to use minimal approaches to strike such a chord in the consciousness of a generation *without* using technicality is actually a bigger feat than what they were promoting.

I did agree though, much like I'm saying about AE, that the Nirvana clones needed to be shot, at least those that took egocentric strances behind the "importance" of their music.

Post LP5 ae is amazing, even the stuff I hate (on confield and EP 7, draft was a breath of fresher air, but still became self indulgent max noodling at points). This has more to do with their ideas and the tonal quality of their sounds opposed to their sense of rhythm or aesthetic qualities (again, imho). It's still easier, imho, to make a half assed sketch of their trademark structures (i.e. skittery breakbeats slowly evolving under a blanket of reverb and delay with light, melodic counterpoints spicing the sides).

[KaOz]

yeah i totally agree with that post