is all art wank?

[mr franks]

http://www.theaoi.com/cgi-bin/ultima...f =5;t=000363

[mr franks]

if the link dont work - this was posted on an illustration message board i occasionally visit -

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Is all art wank or just 'self abuse'?

A North art student raised eyebrows when he exposed his latest work, indulging in a sex act in front of an audience.

Brazen Ben Ashton gave the crowd an eyeful during the 10-minute display.

The 20-year-old aspiring artist also video-recorded the event to capture the reaction of the watching public on tape.

And he had to turn away Angel of the North sculpture Antony Gormley as there wasn't enough room for him in the packed venue.

Ben said: "It was the hardest thing I've ever done."

And he confessed that nerves got the better of him, making his performance at times less than convincing.

The second-year fine art student at Newcastle University built a three-sided wooden box and stood it against a wall, which acted as the fourth side.

He then sat on a chair in the middle of the box and began his performance, while looking at himself in a mirror.

Then 30 members of the audience took it in turns to peer at Ben through a viewing hole he had cut into the back.

They were able to look over the artist's shoulder and see him performing in the mirror at the event two weeks ago.

Ben, of Jesmond, who conducted his performance piece at a secret location in Newcastle, said: "I took my clothes off and had to get myself aroused before I would let the audience in.

"It was the hardest thing I've ever done. It's not easy to perform, but I just had to try to think of erotic things.

"I sat down, facing away from the audience and then looked into the mirror and masturbated.

"People were behind the box, looking through the viewing window."

He added: "It went on for 10 minutes. I didn't want it to go on too long.

"I thought I was going to pass out. There was a halogen lamp lighting up the box and it was really hot.

"I had pins and needles and felt like I was hyperventilating ao I turned off the light and that was the end of the performance, I didn't climax."

The display featured two works of art, the "performance" masturbation piece and a video work showing his arm moving and people's reactions in the mirror, titled Anti Climax.

Ben explained that he was exploring the concept of narcissism - abnormal self love - named after the character in Greek mythology who fell in love with his own reflection.

The art student said: "I thought to really make a comment about it, it would involve masturbating in front of a mirror. I'm interested in narcissism and people's obsession with their bodies.

"You see it all around you, people are obsessed with their own image."

Ben invited Antony Gormley - who was in the city to collect an honorary degree from Newcastle University - to watch the show but the queue was too large and Gormley missed out.

The student said: "I invited everybody myself. I wanted a range of people, friends and other artists. They all knew what was going to happen. "The audience first reacted with nervous laughter but then it turned into fascination. Most people just got used to it after they'd got over the fact it was me masturbating.

"Everyone said how powerful a piece it was. I wanted to see if it would create a stir."

Ben - who also paints to a high standard - is interested in the human body and eroticism. His last work saw him being suspended naked from a frame, with each limb attached to a pulley system.

And he's not particularly worried about upsetting his parents.

He said: "My dad's an abstract artist and he's pretty impressed. My mum's an art teacher and she's a bit concerned about me getting a reputation for the wrong reasons.

"But my tutors have all been great. They allow you the freedom to create."

Performance's mixed reviews

Ben's performance art got a mixed reception from art experts in the region, but a leading Catholic figure described it as "self abuse".

Father Terry Drainey, Rector of Ushaw College in Durham, said: "I certainly wouldn't pay to go and watch.

"Is it artistically acceptable, never mind morally? Is that art? I would say that this guy needs an awful lot of help.

"The Church has always used the term self abuse for masturbation. I'd say it was self abuse, certainly in front of all these people."

Watercolour artist Matthew Forster, who runs The Art Works gallery in Newcastle, said: "It sounds quite interesting. At least he's pushing the boundaries and that's what it's all about."

Carol Nunan, a printmaker from the Tynedale Artists Network, said: "It's certainly different to printmaking. I've never been convinced by these performance artists, never seen the point.

"There's a lot of ugliness in the world already. I don't really want to watch anybody masturbating, never mind somebody in a box."

But former sculptor Les Burn, of Washington, Tyne and Wear, reckoned it was done to shock.

He said: "It sounds to me like a student trying to find something outlandish. The sad thing is that it works, it's a gimmick and people take notice. But it's a bloody good laugh, I suppose."

And Rebecca Pelly-Fry, of The Biscuit Factory, in Newcastle, revealed that artists have masturbated for their work before. The gallery supervisor told how Vitto Acconci lay beneath the floorboards of a gallery masturbating as folks wandered above in another eye-catching piece.

She said: "The idea is similar but all art comes from somewhere. Good on him for doing something a bit different up here. It's certainly a good way to get yourself known."

University to investigate

Newcastle University has confirmed it will be examining Ben's public performance.

Mick Warwicker, Head of Communication at Newcastle University, said: "It's not uncommon for students to display their art to an invited audience. The last one I went to was landscape watercolours.

"Artists have the right to freedom of expression but there are limits even for non-public displays.

"The university has a code of conduct which applies to all students and we will be investigating this matter to determine whether a breach has occurred."

[animal night train]

This guy I know once attended a piece of performance art which comprised of a naked woman sitting down and using her fingers to retrieve and distribute her menstrual discharge towards the audience. I guess that's almost wank. The performance was shut down almost instantly, I think.

[Orang Utan]

What happened to painting?
I want to see more pictures of farmers posing proudly with their prize bulls and poor people brutalizing each other at the county fair

[animal night train]

I'd like to see pictures of farmers brutalising their prize bulls. Photos though, not paintings.

This same guy also told me about another performance art piece at the same place, where they wired up a snooker table with mics in the pockets and fed the sound through the PA while playing a game of snooker, and someone fiddled with the audio through effects.

[emef]

sounds pretty cool, i would definately be interested in seeing the video of the crowds reactions throughout the ten minutes

Ben said: "It was the hardest thing I've ever done."

I bet it was very hard

[animal night train]

Interesting, the two performances I described above were also in Newcastle. Seems it's a hotbed of bizarre stuff like this.

Wankers?

[invisibleplanet]

coum again?

[cut out]

i hate stuff like this... the fact that people are prepared to consider this a creative act is like saying kicking a coke can down the street is akin to football.

it's a right load of wank - obviously

[invisibleplanet]

when one considers jim morrison's 'lament' or the then art-world-shaking of the seventies 'coum transmissions' then in my opinion this recent 'art' stunt is a) totally unoriginal and weak by comparison and b) in the words of jim ' I'm surprised you could get it up'



not all sexually oriented art is wank, but this stunt definitely is.
imo of course.

[Loz]

this is currently in my town:

HOW TO BE AN ARTIST
Bill Drummond

Come and experience legendary artist Bill Drummond's How to be an Artist. Part of his epic journey, across the UK to sell 20,000 fractions of a Richard Long artwork, The Smell of Sulphur in the Wind‚ to raise $20,000. Both challenging and entertaining, self styled art terrorist‚ Bill Drummond interrogates the cultural landscape of value, art, life and the artist.

How to be an artist features a series of performances and an exhibition by the maverick artist Bill Drummond. As very much his own man, or as part of outfits the KLF and the K Foundation, Drummond has been highly successful at doing everything from hitting the pop music charts to conning the art world that he had burned one million quid. Undeniably a major anti-art artist, he impresses with his professional cheek as much as he aggravates with what comes across sometimes as a nihilistic assumption of cultural superiority.

In 1995, Bill Drummond bought a work by his favourite contemporary artist, Richard Long, for $20,000. It was a photograph and text work called A Smell of Sulphur in the Wind.

In 2000 he realised he no longer had a relationship with the work and decided to do something about it. So far, this doing something about it‚ has evolved into a journey, a book, an exhibition and a performance, all sharing the title How to be an Artist.Between April 2003 and July 2006 Bill Drummond will be visiting residential care homes, prisons, schools, art spaces, front rooms, drop-in centres, cafes and other places with his performance and accompanying exhibition How to be an Artist. The performance lasts 2 hours and offers everyone present the chance to own 1/20,000 of Richard Long‚s A Smell of Sulphur in the Wind.

Warning: There is nothing in this exhibition that can be construed as a step-by-step guide to being an artist of any kind.

I love the disclaimer at the end.

[CHIP TRONIC]

these actions are definitely crap. art means to create something. it doesn´t mean to present waste.
else we could also slaughter swine live on stage.

[invisibleplanet]

Bill Drummond says.....

isn't that a Julian Cope song?

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by CHIP TRONIC
these actions are definitely crap. art means to create something. it doesn´t mean to present waste.
else we could also slaughter swine live on stage.

i personally don't conside the product of wanking to be waste....
unless of course, there's no-one to swallow it...

[CHIP TRONIC]

ok let´s call it body extracts.

[KaOz]

mhhh.... blowjobs are art for me

[aleks]

i heard chip gives good blowjobs too...

[mlexicon]

i applaude you ip...


good women are hard to find

[JE:5]

Art is more of a circle jerk really, if you think about it eh chip?

[autorun]

Originally posted by mr franks
Is all art wank or just 'self abuse'?...

there is some proverb in my country: "too much art in this art"
i think this describes it quite well.

[mim]

There is also another one: Czy to kupa sztuki czy to sztuka kupy ?
This one is a wordplay that's hard to translate, but it means: Is that piece of art or a piece of shit ?

Such performances are nothing but shit to me.

[autorun]

btw. welcome on the board

dunno - but wanking can definetly be art

[anarchosyn]

is all art wank?

yes. yes of course.

[autorun]

i think some "artists" are shown only because they can "advertise" their work with some pompous ideology/theory not because their work is really expectional and institutions give them money for it just because they are afraid of missing another picasso or whatever

[V Knid esq]

Art is less wank, than pissing in corners, psychically speaking. It is artists exploring areas of informational space, and creating a marker, a token to say "I WOZ ERE".

[V Knid esq]

Or it might just be something to pass the time and make our surroundings look more interesting, something to talk about... who knows?

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.invisibleplanet.pwp.bluey...ms/dragon2.jpg
warning: genitally explicit body-art
not art as wank, but art's defo included in whatever takes ur fancy LOL