Guitar in electronic music

[love_tempo]

Anyone got any tips for good things going on with guitars in electronic music. I don't mean rock bands that use synths so much. I'm looking more for things like Keith Fullerton Whitman's 'Playthroughs' or Fennesz.

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a trio of my faves

[love_tempo]

Steve Reich's Electric Counterpoint on guitar is nice. But is he is playing along with a backing track? I thought it was a delay effect for a while but it doesn't seem like it is later on.

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and one of my all time faves..

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Originally Posted by love_tempo

Steve Reich's Electric Counterpoint on guitar is nice. But is he is playing along with a backing track? I thought it was a delay effect for a while but it doesn't seem like it is later on.

I might be wrong, but i think the piece allows for performance with a backing track.

[love_tempo]

Ah, it's not bad that it's a backing track, it just sounds a bit detached later on in the piece.

My wife is doing one of the funniest dances I've ever seen to Snakefinger's The Model

[love_tempo]

From one of my favourite albums when I first got an electric guitar:

Holger Czukay - Ode to Perfume

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCGRxQSmzY

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Originally Posted by love_tempo

From one of my favourite albums when I first got an electric guitar:

Holger Czukay - Ode to Perfume

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCGRxQSmzY

one of mine too

Juts remebered these guys,,

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[Hectic Cum Balthazar]

Originally Posted by love_tempo

Anyone got any tips for good things going on with guitars in electronic music. I don't mean rock bands that use synths so much. I'm looking more for things like Keith Fullerton Whitman's 'Playthroughs' or Fennesz.

Jim O'Rourke always did it for me majorly in that area.. but he's not done anything new for ten years (apart from one album last year, which wasn't primarily guitary). Dunno if that matters.

[Hectic Cum Balthazar]

The original recording of Electric Counterpoint with Pat Methany was multitracked as far as I remember.

[namshub]

oren ambarchi?

[komakid]

Originally Posted by Hectic Cum Balthazar

The original recording of Electric Counterpoint with Pat Methany was multitracked as far as I remember.

Yep. If performed by a solist, he needs to tape 10 guitar parts and 2 e bass parts and play the 11th guitar part. At least that is what Reichs notes on the record say. So basicly it is 11 guitars and 2 basses.

Jim O Rourke is a good call. And Robert Fripp of course... He did some wierd stuff outside of King Crimson. Really experimental guitar pieces. Brian Eno, too.

[komakid]

Originally Posted by namshub

oren ambarchi?

def


this too:

[Hectic Cum Balthazar]

Originally Posted by komakid

Jim O Rourke is a good call. And Robert Fripp of course... He did some wierd stuff outside of King Crimson. Really experimental guitar pieces. Brian Eno, too.

Bill Frisell too



not sure what the fucking sound effects at the end are all about.. but this snippet is all I could find.

Keith Rowe does great 'prepared guitar'

[love_tempo]

I was reading about prepared guitar last night after reading about Kevin Drumm. All good stuff, although I'm particularly interested to find people who process the guitar output heavily, using DSP etc... not so much preparation or just added effects. At the moment Keith Fullerton Whitman and Fennesz are the only two that spring to mind. But I'm sure there are many others? I think I remember Jasper Tx playing live with an acoustic guitar.

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fred frith does odd stuff with guitar but not sure how far he roams into electronic processing.

[les diamond]

Originally Posted by love_tempo

I was reading about prepared guitar last night after reading about Kevin Drumm. All good stuff, although I'm particularly interested to find people who process the guitar output heavily, using DSP etc... not so much preparation or just in added effects. At the moment Keith Fullerton Whitman and Fennesz are the only two that spring to mind. But I'm sure there are many others? I think I remember Jasper Tx playing live with an acoustic guitar.

my man arther henry fork is the man for max msp guit...i had never even heard of max msp when i met arty...here he is with Fennesz in 2007

[notorious J.I.M]

Manuel Göttsching?



In fact any number of Kraut groups / soloists. Michael Rother's new supergroup "Hallogallo" were brilliant when I saw them live at Supersonic.



Also from the same festival can reccomend Factory Floor.

[notorious J.I.M]

One more from Factory Floor.

[V Knid esq]

I just wish so, so much that Kevin Sheilds did more of this sort of thing and less dicking about playing middle aged rockstar with Primal Scream.

[love_tempo]

Originally Posted by les diamond

my man arther henry fork is the man for max msp guit...i had never even heard of max msp when i met arty...here he is with Fennesz in 2007

That's useful les. That's really the type of thing I'm looking for.

The reason I'm asking, is that I have an interview and recital for the university of york next week. I need to write a short paper this weekend for them.

I'm trying to decide between writing one on:
Women and Electronic Music (focusing on Eliane Radigue and Pauline Oliveros).
Guitars in Electronic Music (trying to work out who the main people are)

I'm kind of interested in getting into the latter, so it could be useful to write that paper and see what's already being done.

[love_tempo]

What Jim O'Rourke albums do people recommend for this? He's someone I've been meaning to check out for a while. I'm guessing it's more the (prepared/detuned) guitar + heavy fx type of thing.

Also, is anyone familiar with Kevin Drumms output. I know he was heavily involved in prepared guitars, but does anyone know what he been using more recently?

Sorry fer pickin' yer brains

[les diamond]

i think u should talk about the connection between modern signal processing via max msp etc and the whole ornette coleman harmelodics thing for sure.

[love_tempo]

I don't understand Harmelodics well enough to understand if there even is a connection, let alone write about it

[Hectic Cum Balthazar]

merzbow went digital for a while didn't he.. I think he used objects which vaguely represented guitars

[Hectic Cum Balthazar]

Originally Posted by love_tempo

What Jim O'Rourke albums do people recommend for this? He's someone I've been meaning to check out for a while. I'm guessing it's more the (prepared/detuned) guitar + heavy fx type of thing.

the thing about him is it would be harder to pick out stuff with processes/instrumentation as consistent as someone like Fennesz who pretty much does the same thing all the time (not a dig).

I have a TapeOp O'Rourke interview from about 2001 and everything he did regardless of source pretty much found its way through his Doepfer and Serge modulars and then he carried that technique on in the DSP realm with stuff like Fenn O'berg and the album on Mego - http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/reviews/2hjw

[love_tempo]

Yes, it's the same thing with Keith Fullerton Whitman and Kevin Drumm. Their approach is being deliberately up-ended periodically.

I suppose, when I think about it, I'm more interested in important pieces, projects or approaches rather than people per se. Thx for reminding me of Fenn O'Berg. That's definitely relevant.

With Fennesz, I think first of all, he's a musician rather than a technician. Second of all, he may have carried on the classical guitarist mentality of constantly refining a technique until it's 'just right'. If you listen to Endless Summer, the great music is there, but it sounds technically limited now. But over time he's become much more refined.