9/11 again

[joe pinapples]

so its *that* time of year again when its 9/11.


any thoughts, was it an *inside* job?


såd emöticån

[Orang Utan]

11/9 you mean etc etc

[phil2]

Building 7 - suffered a catastrophic failure of all its main support columns. It collapsed onto its footprint, symmetrically in 10 seconds. wasnt hit by a plane. explain.

[joe pinapples]

is 9/11 a joke in *your* town?




EXPLAINERISE!

[baselogic]

The one thing I never understand, is that when you see the conspiracy theorists on tele pointing at the screen showing the towers collapsing, or footage of building 7 going down they pronounce really authoritatively, ''THAT is a controlled explosion'', ''THAT could not happen'' - but they never give any explanation of why it couldn't happen.

It just, seems improbable to them - but the whole thing was quite improbable? What's their personal experience of jumbo jets ploughing into skyscrapers? have they seen it hundreds of times and buildings around it were fine? They haven't.

The Americans seem to have got their own back with the body count they have inflicted.




plus 8,000 in Afghanistan just in 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008....unitednations

[Orang Utan]

Originally Posted by baselogic

The one thing I never understand, is that when you see the conspiracy theorists on tele pointing at the screen showing the towers collapsing, or footage of building 7 going down they pronounce really authoritatively, ''THAT is a controlled explosion'', ''THAT could not happen'' - but they never give any explanation of why it couldn't happen.

It just, seems improbable to them - but the whole thing was quite improbable? What's their personal experience of jumbo jets ploughing into skyscrapers? have they seen it hundreds of times and buildings around it were fine? They haven't.

Cos of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[e_wann]

my mates havin his bday then, something else happend on 9/11 ...

[joe pinapples]

happy birthday e_wann's mate:

GO NUCKING FUTS D00D!

[phil2]

Here is Larry Silverstein the owner of the complex telling you they pulled building 7 -

[Spandex]

Originally Posted by JonnySpeed

The Americans seem to have got their own back with the body count they have inflicted.




plus 8,000 in Afghanistan just in 2007
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008....unitednations

IBC famously underestimate the casualty rates for obvious reasons (they rely on press reports from a warzone and require two sources to confirm each death). All the serious academic studies broadly agree on a figure exceeding 500,000 (and that was 2006 sometime). The IBC is mainly used by journalists (typically on "leftie" papers) because it fits perfectly with their delusion that they're "speaking truth to power" while they're actually helping to cover up mass murder.

[baselogic]

what does pull mean? no one thinks they pulled it down, with ropes - doesn't he mean pull out?

[joe pinapples]

Originally Posted by baselogic

what does pull mean? no one thinks they pulled it down, with ropes - doesn't he mean pull out?

i do hope mr Silverstein is not proposing the adoption of the so called 'rhythm method' as esposed by the pope in rome?

[phil2]

its a demolition term

[baselogic]

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/archive032007.html

http://911guide.googlepages.com/griffin3

Here is the full context of what Silverstein said:

I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
Now, this is still ambiguous, since it's not clear what "it" refers to, or what meaning of "pull" Silverstein intended. However, after conspiracy theorists began quoting him, a spokesman for Silverstein put out the following statement:

In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building. … [W]hen Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, "I said, you know, we’ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it."
The spokesman indicated that by "it," Silverstein was referring to the group of firefighters in the building. So, by "pulling it", he meant to have the firefighters leave the building before it collapsed. While Silverstein's original statement was unclear, his subsequent explanation makes sense and jibes with the lack of any solid evidence that the building was blown up.

[joe pinapples]