Abba

[AVX23]

I see, well I shall await his mighty judgement then

in the meantime - stand down with your afro's, skintight flares and shiny discoballs , I've re-sheathed my alien mind taker raygun, parked the hover-capri and declare a ceasefire.

[joe pinapples]

its always a laff when folk who only like what they think is proper real hard dance music diss disco.

[mdk]

damn right..the times we've had, especially round christmas when auntie mabel has a few sherries and starts rambling on about how disco is just for homos and that adam x should be on the royal variety performance.

its a hoot.

[Ro Land]

Originally Posted by mdk

here's the quick version.

the techno concept wasnt born of disco.
disco made it stupid.
steev knows that but he's just stirring up trouble.

thats about the long and short of it.

You are wrong.

[mdk]

i think you'll find that my analysis of what he said is correct, as avx said so himself.

now, you might not agree with what *he* said, but thats a job for YOU to take up with HiM

[mdk]

AND ITS PEOPLE Like YOU Who Go Around SHOUTING At Chomsky That He Supports The NAZIS And Stuff Like That.

Youre Worse Than HITLER

[Ro Land]

Originally Posted by AVX23

It's weird because I thought out of most people - you'd understand that as someone who deals with sound design as opposed to strictly making dance music all the time, I'd be interested to know how important concepts are to you when you work ? (i ask that respectfully BTW, not trying to be cheeky).

Nothing to do with concepts.. its just a clear path in terms of the style of clubs, social networks and structure of music from New York -> Chicago -> Detroit.

Lots of diversions and some exceptions of course but that's the main branch...

Ultimately if I remember rightly though you have a problem with Detroit being so prominent in that techno lineage

[soulcheck]

Come on one doesn't have to like ANY of the rock and roll scene of the 60s and still be a fan of sepultura.

[platinum ray]

I don't think the Music Box was exclusively gay and I don't think Ron Hardy gave that much of a fuck about the genres he was playing. He just wanted to put records together in such a way as to make people go absolutely nuts on the dance floor. If you listen to some of Ron Hardy's mixes off DHP you'll hear some serious wonk. Not proto, conceptual or futuristic but just the most absolutely blow your mind stuff that to me still sounds amazingly brilliant. Actually to me this is the best music I've ever heard.
I'm definitely not into techno for futurism although I do find the conceptualism side of it interesting from an wankery arty perspective and that's basically why I was drawn to this forum. For me techno ain't shite if you can't dance to it.
Off the top of my head I can think of three great techno producers who were definitely influenced by Disco; Mills as mentioned before, Kevin Sanderson and Derrick May. I suggest that if you really like the genre you have to at least accept that Disco was fundamental in its progression

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by platinum ray

wankery ....... basically why I was drawn to this forum.

You've definitely hit the mother lode here.

[mdk]

Originally Posted by soulcheck

Come on one doesn't have to like ANY of the rock and roll scene of the 60s and still be a fan of sepultura.

i feel better now someone has mentioned heavy metal.

thanks soulcheck.

[Orang Utan]

Originally Posted by Ro Land

Nothing to do with concepts.. its just a clear path in terms of the style of clubs, social networks and structure of music from New York -> Chicago -> Detroit.

Lots of diversions and some exceptions of course but that's the main branch...

Ultimately if I remember rightly though you have a problem with Detroit being so prominent in that techno lineage

So he only likes the bad stuff, not the good stuff?

[soulcheck]

Originally Posted by mdk

i feel better now someone has mentioned heavy metal.

thanks soulcheck.

Anytime


I guess if someone likes techno, he should like as well some moroder, boney m, abba, the beatles, elvis presley and obviously almost all polkas.

and anyway

IF YOU LIKE DISCO SO MUCH, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE NEAREST DISCOTEQUE AND LIVE THERE?

[AVX23]

Originally Posted by Ro Land

Nothing to do with concepts.. its just a clear path in terms of the style of clubs, social networks and structure of music from New York -> Chicago -> Detroit.

Lots of diversions and some exceptions of course but that's the main branch...

Ultimately if I remember rightly though you have a problem with Detroit being so prominent in that techno lineage

It's true, that's because I find it an overly simplistic, linear view which does not recognise developments outside of the US because the developments outside of the US mainstream (in terms of electronic music that is) were coming from a more introverted and largely academic point of view (that and the fact that musically speaking , a lot of the music I'm talking about was absolute mince). disco, house, techno were all very good at shaping ideas into something less abstract that had a value to people in terms of being able to dance to it and hence it became the accepted 'authority' to most on what was useful as techno music and what wasn't. America is good at that haven't you noticed ?

So there is no alternative large-scale 'Movement' as it were stemming from that branch of futurism or exploring technology music, but that doesn't mean that other directions didn't exist, weirdly enough, a lot of people who talk a good fight from the other side seem to pretend people like this : http://www.t0.or.at/~konrad/ never existed.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by soulcheck

Anytime


I guess if someone likes techno, he should like as well some moroder, boney m, abba, the beatles, elvis presley and obviously almost all polkas.

and anyway

IF YOU LIKE DISCO SO MUCH, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE NEAREST DISCOTEQUE AND LIVE THERE?

I don't think anyone has said you have to like disco if you like techno. The discussion was more about denying a connection between them. A bit like if you tried to suggest that Sepultura were created in a vacuum and owe nothing to the rock and roll scene that went before them.

[soulcheck]

Originally Posted by Patrick

I don't think anyone has said you have to like disco if you like techno. The discussion was more about denying a connection between them. A bit like if you tried to suggest that Sepultura were created in a vacuum and owe nothing to the rock and roll scene that went before them.

Here you go. This is where this discussion started:

Originally Posted by Ro Land

how can you like techno and electro and not like any disco? (I'm not classing ABBA as disco by the way)

edit:I guess AVX23 likes techno and doesnt like any disco and he's fine.

[Patrick]

Ah, ok, fair enough.
Although I actually am in that camp of not being able to understand how you can like techno and not like any disco anyway.

[Orang Utan]

me too - there's something wrong with your brains if you don't like everything I like

[AVX23]

Would that not be like me saying that I can't understand people who like techno but don't like the film Metropolis ?

I think there's room for people to come to things on their own terms is what I'm getting at

[Yer_Maw]

see. this is why girls dont like techno.

[mdk]

because Steev said they have to like disco as well?

[skosh]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Ah, ok, fair enough.
Although I actually am in that camp of not being able to understand how you can like techno and not like any disco anyway.

they're both forms of dance music, there are many forms of dance music, most people don't like them all, even in one genre of music most people don't like it all

[adsr]

Been singing Dancing Queen since yesteday...

The guy behind me started groaning and saying,
'Thanks alot...now that stupid song is stuck in my head'

I personally thing Abba is evil...

I mean come on...if you don't have that song now stuck in yer head by just reading, 'Dancing Queen' by Abba....

'you can dance...you can dance...'
'...having the time of your life....woohoo...'

yep....pure evil...

[AVX23]

even reading those words grates my eyeballs

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by mdk

because Steev said they have to like disco as well?

Damn that Steev ! We've all been getting no action down at techno club for all these years and it's all down to him. Damn him. DAMN HIM TO HELL !

[Patrick]

Where is Spandex with his definitive pronouncement on this subject? I'm about ready to be right now, so could do with something I could cut'n'paste.

[adsr]

Originally Posted by AVX23

even reading those words grates my eyeballs

the scary part is that your probably gonna be thinking the song and melody pretty much on and off for the rest of the evening now....


evil genious....

[platinum ray]

Originally Posted by Patrick

You've definitely hit the mother lode here.

Didn't at all mean to be derogatory by that. I think conceptualism is cool but firstly techno is music for dancing to. Otherwise you're talking about electronic music or whatever.

[thepigjockey]

I was going to start complaining about how Jeff Mills gets all wanky and conceptual when asked about his music, but the only interview I could find was him saying something like 'I just want to make people dance', so maybe he's not 'like that' any more.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by platinum ray

Didn't at all mean to be derogatory by that. I think conceptualism is cool but firstly techno is music for dancing to. Otherwise you're talking about electronic music or whatever.

Yeah, agreed.
I didn't think you were being derogatory, but we do fucking rule at the wankery on this forum and nobody can take that form us. So I was just making a joke about it, as a friend amongst friends type thing.
Apart from the friends bit.
They're all cunts really. Especially the ones who don't love the disco.