Abba

[Spandex]

And I posted The Visitors.. last album. It's the one.

This track is so good...


And the riff in the chorus of this is killer

[Irrungenwirrungen]

Originally Posted by Orang Utan

I like the idea of a song by Abba called Starship Troopers

Surely it'd be a bootleg of Starship's 'Nothing's gonna stop us' v 'Super Trooper'

[skosh]

gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight!

i want a cheese option please

[Patrick]

I can't listen to any ABBA without automatically sticking in Alan Partridge style AHAs.

[thembuzz]

Originally Posted by Orang Utan

Well I posted the first one on the other thread

well, i'd lost interest by then. you held off for too long

[AVX23]

Originally Posted by Ro Land

how can you like techno and electro and not like any disco? (I'm not classing ABBA as disco by the way)

I could answer you that, but I'm going to ask 1st - what has liking disco or Abba got to do with Techno and Electro ?

I'll concede a little...I don't think that concept wise - there's any relationship between any of them other than that they are all types of music.

It's like comparing a porn photograph with a Jackson Pollock painting, Both are paintings, but both represent very different ideals and techniques.

[mdk]

Originally Posted by Ro Land

I don't love them, but I voted suchwise just to add an extra Bee to MDKs bonnet.

my bonnet has so many bees i fear it might just fly away.

[thembuzz]

Originally Posted by AVX23

I could answer you that, but I'm going to ask 1st - what has liking disco or Abba got to do with Techno and Electro ?

I'll concede a little...I don't think that concept wise - there's any relationship between any of them other than that they are all types of music.

It's like comparing a porn photograph with a Jackson Pollock painting, Both are paintings, but both represent very different ideals and techniques.

ah, give over. you're not seriously claiming that disco played no part whatsoever in the evolution of either of those genres, are you? are you a techno creationist or something?

[Ro Land]

Originally Posted by AVX23

I could answer you that, but I'm going to ask 1st - what has liking disco or Abba got to do with Techno and Electro ?

I'll concede a little...I don't think that concept wise - there's any relationship between any of them other than that they are all types of music.

It's like comparing a porn photograph with a Jackson Pollock painting, Both are paintings, but both represent very different ideals and techniques.

nah, you're so wrong. listen to some early ron hardy mixes... acid house is so disco it hurts, before things coalesced into genres in the mid-late eighties things were a right old mess of disco, hip hop, electro and proto-acid/techno. Some of it get lumped in with 'Italo', whatever the fuck that really is. It's all about context, Derrick May was always a great one to slam Disco into the hardest techno ever and south american music.. and it would all come out sounding tough as fuck.

You need to get you some learning me fellar me lad

[Ro Land]

I mean you've heard I Feel Love right?

This is all a bit 'intelligent design' AVX

[Orang Utan]

I remember hearing Mills playing Dan Hartman's Relight My Fire at The End and some dullard running out moaning that he was playing Take That

[AVX23]

Orang + Steev

I mean there's no relationship for me.

I don't really make musical connections like that with techno music, liking abba, kraftwerk, disco, yiddish horn music, alpine bumflute nasal core or otherwise is a null factor for own enjoyment of techno, or what I see as being techno, cos that alone is a pretty subjective thing and it's something that would probably warrant it's own discussion.

The Abba/Disco thing is purely not to my pallette and thankfully I can deal with that, it often requires use of a birch and a barbed wire hat but that's ok Saint Mills will allocate me 50 virgins in the heavenly orbit for my troubles while giger prepares my sleeping quarters

[Ro Land]

I'm not talking about fucking Abba

They are to Disco what the Chemical Brothers are to Techno.

You can shut your ears and go LA LA LA all you like but if you go to 3 minutes 10 seconds in that video and still refuse it has no relationship to Techno or Electro then you're playing yourself

Whether you like it or not is subjective, but that ain't the point here.

[spoon]

Fuck Abba. It's all about Patrick motherfucking Cowley!



I remember seeing Jeff Mills drop Sylvester's 'Mighty Real' during a set in NYC some years back. That was pretty fantastic.

[thepigjockey]

I love some hi-nrg and disco but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy Abba. Someone should start a disco thread

[aleks]

Originally Posted by spoon

I remember seeing Jeff Mills drop Sylvester's 'Mighty Real' during a set in NYC some years back. That was pretty fantastic.

he did that once in berlin as well...excellent. people went crazy...

i like cleaning up while listening to abba...

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by thepigjockey

Someone should start a disco thread

http://www.no-future.com/erutufon/sh...0#post45 7820

[AVX23]

Originally Posted by Ro Land

I'm not talking about fucking Abba

They are to Disco what the Chemical Brothers are to Techno.

You can shut your ears and go LA LA LA all you like but if you go to 3 minutes 10 seconds in that video and still refuse it has no relationship to Techno or Electro then you're playing yourself

Whether you like it or not is subjective, but that ain't the point here.

Actually mate - you were, you mentioned it in your first question.

Technology music existed long before the clip you posted, some people became influenced with that and the pop music : techno music emerged, but the concept of technology based music, technology influenced music, futurism and suchlike existed outside of the gay clubscene of chicago in the 70s and 80s (for example) and had been going for quite a long time before.

The whole - whacking it over a loping 44 beat - sure that was all coming from disco and what have you, but the concepts of futurism , technology music all pre-date this period and were largely abandoned as techno became famous.

It really did sell it's principals out when it became married to the house and rave scene essentially and it's only now with stuff like IDM becoming more popular that we're starting to see it's true potential emerging - in my opinion that is, and in fact that's not exactly always on the mark either.

Frankly this true potential would have been killed off if everyone subscribed to the notion that techno is a mutated strain of disco, what it became - sure was exactly that, and in my opinion - suffered big for it, you could eventually say that shulgin was as much an influence to techno as Ron Hardy in fact - that's particularly true in the UK.

What it could have been and is becoming now is not, and that excites me a lot more and is what I choose to acknowledge as being true technology and futurist music, and based on those principals, I see no reason to see liking disco or even having much knowledge of it as being a hinderance as regards my own take on technology and futurism based music.

techno was compromised and build on flimsy foundations, you simply cannot be academic about it without accepting there's a wealth of little known information about electronic music which conviniently slips to the side everytime someone questions for example Detroit or Chicago or Disco.

Take for an example Delia Derbyshire and the bbc sound lab, why all the interest recently ? It's only been a part of our culture for around 40 years, and recent recordings released of her 'dance music' creations show clearly that this sort of thing existed before the pop phenomena that became techno, she's not the only one who experiemented in that field either and I fully expect you'd know a lot more about that than me.

As regards how it's lost it's way ; ask yourself what sounds more futuristic, a repetitive conga rythym and a high hat, or a metalic shard of glass fragmenting into a thousand pieces and then being re-assembled by some sort of crazy futuristic machine ? One representation might be portrayed by for example Robert Hood (who despite being entertaining recently shows no concept of futurism in his work - he pays lip service to it at most, and this is coming from someone who is a fan of Rob hood) And the other sound might be portrayed by someone like Autechre (I like autechre , but am not a fanboy, my main liking comes from their uncompormising attitude to creating future music as opposed to 'techno')

Now to most - robert Hood would be considered as being techno, ask a bunch of neds in the slam tent at tea in the park what techno is they'll tell you - it's banging 'funky' (argghghghghg) music 'tae git wasted tae' and I've no doubt for most of the world the sound of techno is represented by the sort of lame electro house you'd hear in tiesto style football stadium gigs.

This to me , is the downside of it becoming a popular form of music, and it's also the reason I would rather concentrate on what interested me about it in the first place, which was an abstract ideal and method of expression as opposed to a reason for people to dance.

To conclude - that abstract ideal existed a long time before the clip you are showing and that to me is why it is so irrelevant - to ME.

It's weird because I thought out of most people - you'd understand that as someone who deals with sound design as opposed to strictly making dance music all the time, I'd be interested to know how important concepts are to you when you work ? (i ask that respectfully BTW, not trying to be cheeky).

[mdk]

yeah tell him avx23.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by mdk

yeah tell him avx23 but in a shorter, more succinct, post that I can actually get to the end of.

[mdk]

here's the quick version.

the techno concept wasnt born of disco.
disco made it stupid.
steev knows that but he's just stirring up trouble.

thats about the long and short of it.

[Orang Utan]

Nonsense

[AVX23]

aye nail on the head almost sorry, it's a world of rambling pain waiting to leak unto the world when my mind is opened up like that, hehe.

anyway - I look forward to the future where we can take drugs to give us jellyfish like qualities so we can bend our spine and flop around like jelly people sharing psychic thoughtwaves and getting off on ripples of sound and bubbly pulses, that will be the days of techno, until then it's just an ideal.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Orang Utan

Nonsense

No, mdk is right - I went back and read the post again and he did pretty much say :

the techno concept wasnt born of disco.
disco made it stupid.
steev knows that but he's just stirring up trouble.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by AVX23

aye nail on the head almost sorry, it's a world of rambling pain waiting to leak unto the world when my mind is opened up like that, hehe.

Never apologise.
I was only joking, btw. I had read your post. And it is a forum after all, so rant/ramble away.

[Patrick]

But you are blatantly wrong, though. I just haven't got time just now to point out why.

[JE:5]

I personally can't stand Abba but I do appreciate their song writing abilities.

[AVX23]

Originally Posted by Patrick

But you are blatantly wrong, though. I just haven't got time just now to point out why.

That's just lame

And be objective you filthy disco pervert ! I'm not wrong, I'm just going against the grain of popular opinion.

[Spandex]

You're all wrong and, just as soon as I decide what I think about all this, I expect I'll be right about it.

[Patrick]

Actually, what I meant to say was not so much that I haven't got time right now. It's more a case that I'm actually waiting for Spandex to make up his mind so I can copy his opinion and be right too.