Rachel's War

[grobelaar]

The e-mails of a 23 year old US peace protester who was crushed to death by a bulldozer this weekend, whilst trying to prevent the Israeli army from destroying homes in the Gaza Strip.

Remarkable and upsetting...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...916299,00.html

[pille'ocheoni]

damn

that sickens me. how can someone take a life like that? where has decency gone?

these pictures are pretty disturbing.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml

fuck isreal.

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[Yer_Maw]

Isreal really need to sort this shit out.

[Yer_Maw]

ip deep rooted hate is the cause of all this, and rightfully something most people cant understand. dont get drawn in as well.

i'm nearing that point too. i've got all this negative energy built up about the whole situation and i feel like if i'm not careful a lightning bolt will just arc out of my body and destroy everything around me. i've never been shaken to the core in this way.

[grobelaar]

I don't understand it either, after reading about this, I've really struggled through this afternoon - switching between sadness and hatred. I'm so upset and so angry. its such an injustice - I hate the Israeli government - it should be them who have 250,000 troops perched ready to invade them, it should Ariel Sharon being indicted for human rights crimes, if there's one country on this fucked planet that the US should be bouncing up and down wanting to rattle its sabre at it should be fucking Israel - and even then I can't abide this - I know people in Israel, they are as powerless to do anything about the action of their own government as we are.

I know this - that Rachel is one of the bravest people to live, braver than those cowards Bush and Blair, braver than every single one of the quarter of a million US and UK soldiers that preparing to invade Iraq...

And even now the Israeli govt are circling with their lies and their deceits, trying to pretend it is all an accident and still they go on - when will it end... when will they learn some decent human values?

Originally posted by grobelaar
I know this - that Rachel is one of the bravest people to live, braver than those cowards Bush and Blair, braver than every single one of the quarter of a million US and UK soldiers that preparing to invade Iraq...

yes indeed

[marcel]

my god

[jess-ssej]

reading the emails...then the news article/pics....

litterally, tears in my eyes at work today.

the world is so horribly fucked up.

[invisibleplanet]

i've been crying about it too.
but i don't think we're fucked up

there are many in power who are, however

Originally posted by grobelaar And even now the Israeli govt are circling with their lies and their deceits, trying to pretend it is all an accident and still they go on - when will it end... when will they learn some decent human values? [/b]

Im sorry to say this but this is just not about the Israeli government and blaming them.

Yes in this case, it was an Israeli bullzoder that committed tuis murder.

But BOTH governments are to blame for this incident. We may not be able to blame the Palestine government directly, but indirectly they too are to blame for the murder of an innocent woman.

Until BOTH governments STOP taking revenge, until both governments STOP committing such atrocities (yes BOTH) then incidents like this will carry on.

IMO, this is not the time to start saying Israel is evil etc etc this is the time to start thinking seriosuly what can be done to HELP BOTH Palestine and Israel to resolve their differences.

So many innocent people are losing their lives because of something as trivial as LAND!

May Rachel's sould rest in pease. At least she died for something she believed in.

[Ubik]

where'd you get that photo from?

@enigmatic

i think it goes just beyond the governments in this situation as well. the people need to be informed. how much do you want to bet that either side is getting very slanted information about the other side? what people need is truth and it is so hard to find these days. with truth comes answers, and that provides a place for both sides to work from.

[grobelaar]

I'm watching the ITN News at Ten - its disgusting - I feel like I'm watching the pro-logue to a new series of a programme like Big Brother - where they have the auditions and picking the new contestant - it such a fucking propaganda machine... all the staged cinematography showing war machines in the desert and some dickhead who is fighting with the US Marines in an officer exchange scheme complaining that US public are behind their boys and all the British boys only hear from the vocal minority, they want to from the silent majority...

MTV War...

Ha ha, they've just said that the British Troops are giving up their mobiles phones - ha ha ha in Kosovo the British army squaddies ended up using their mobile phones to call in air-support, when their new radio sets failed...

[Ubik]

Originally posted by piscaries
where'd you get that photo from?

http://indymedia.org/

[grobelaar]

...and to top it all, Trevor MacDonald (who rather needlessly seem to be presenting the news from Kuwait) closed the show by saying that as of tomorrow the 'News at Ten' will be the 'News at Nine' for the duration of the war!!!

What war... bit pre-emptive isn't it?

[Ubik]

Another israel victim
http://www.ciriello.com/

what's funny is that they'll probably never even declare war, even though they are slinging the term around quite loosely. so when the bombs start dropping we won't be at war, we'll be taking part in an incursion (i think that's the right word?).

it's easy to become emotive at the expense of reason and objectivity - i'm finding it difficult to apply an untainted logic to everything, because everything seems so improbable and mind boggling.

[grobelaar]

and now Channel 4 is running adverts for its War News Coverage, starting tomorrow...

Help I've woken up in a Paul Verheoven film... *yoiks*

[Ubik]

Israeli forces fired teargas and stun grenades yesterday in an attempt to break up a memorial service for Rachel Corrie, the American peace activist killed by an army bulldozer in Gaza on Sunday.

Witnesses including several dozen foreigners and Palestinian supporters say Israeli armoured vehicles tried to disperse the gathering at the spot in Rafah refugee camp where Ms Corrie was crushed to death.

The 23 year-old activist with the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) was trying to prevent the destruction of Palestinian homes by the Israelis when she was hit by the bulldozer.

Joe Smith, a young activist from Kansas City, said about 100 people were gathered to lay carnations and erect a small memorial when the first armoured personnel carrier appeared.

"They started firing teargas and blowing smoke, then they fired sound grenades. After a while it got hectic so we sat down. Then the tank came over and shot in the air," he said. "It scared a lot of Palestinians, especially the shooting made a lot of them run and the teargas freaked people out. But most of us stayed."

Another witness said the army failed to break up the service.

"People were laying carnations at the spot where Rachel was killed when a tank came and fired teargas right on them. Then a core group of the peace activists took an ISM cloth banner to the fence and pinned it up.

"The tank chased after them trying to stop them with teargas but the wind was against the army," she said.

Tensions rose further when a convoy of vehicles, including the bulldozer that killed Ms Corrie, passed the area.

"I don't think it was deliberate but it was pretty insensitive," said Mr Smith.

"I think they had been destroying some buildings elsewhere and had to pass by to get back to their base."

The army said it was investigating the incident.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Sto...917178,00.html

[invisibleplanet]

fuck yaweh and the tank he rode into town on

it's been said that it is the fault of both governments, but I think this is not the case.

when YOUR land and YOUR livelihood, and YOUR water and YOUR children and YOUR education and your homes are being crushed by illegal occupiers in tanks, wouldn't you fight back?

sorry enigmatic, i don't think this is not the fault of both governments and i think it's incredibly naive to have this viewpoint given that the palestinians have been subjected to second class citizenship on their own land for over 30 years, by a murderous force funded by the usa, armed by the usa, and the uk,
(although this has i believe stopped re: uk), it is only right that they attempt to prevent the occupation of their land by illegal means.

LAND is not a trivial issue. Around the world, governments and multinationals are murdering native inhabitants to obtain land.

the israelis are commiting genocide.
they ARE evil, because they are against life
the palestinians are righteous in their attempt to defend themselves, and they are not the aggressors here.

when 18 year old nurses are blowing themselves up because they cannot see a future for their people, it is not revenge, it is despair.

israel and palestine cannot sort out their differences, because one is an illegal occupier of another's country - invading aggressively with military strategy - destroying homes, livelihood, water supply, and native inhabitants, and the other is the victim...and their defence no matter what form it takes, whether it be suicide bombers, or children throwing stones at tanks, is noble and justified.

i am sickened by the lack of support for palestine.

soon macdonalds and american cinema will crush the culture of the palestinians

i hate the israelies - they are not jews - they are godless murderers with capitalist agenda of the usa behind them

i am completely on the palestinian side

If the israelis had not meant to kill Rachael, they would not have driven a tank over her, and subsequently dispersed the mourners at her funeral.

i fear for palestine, as bush's iraq agenda dominates the news, and we hear NOTHING of the troubles in palestine.

those fucking israeli-americans want to build a road to transport the oil through palestine to the mediterranean coast of palestine(israel).
they will not stop until the idf meets the us army.....crushing their way through palestine, to make this road.

this is so fucking obvious to me....can any of you see this?

[Ubik]

great words invisibleplanet.......

[marcel]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet

when 18 year old nurses are blowing themselves up because they cannot see a future for their people, it is not revenge, it is despair.

right! thats what i think too.
when the iraqwar begins this whole israeli-palestinan crisis will become a new dimension. you all will see. sharon will be trying to push them away to jordan, and maybe he will reach his main goal because noone really ever tried to hold him back!