Monitors or Speakers ???

[sniffio]

Hello everyone.
I just noticed that my Panasonic Speaker just died out.
I gave'em too much volume and the middle cone would not ring anymore.
I have to buy new set of speakers since I do music and production.

But this is my first time to buy them, and I'm not quite sure between monitors and speakers, too.
I have no knowledge between them.
So once again, may I ask for you respected friends at erutufon for advice ???
Yes, last time I asked for you was how to make a good tea. (cheers, you.)

For music production, I'm quite sure many of you might recommend monitors.
I have mackie 1604 mixer, so maybe yes, that is ok, too.

But I've been using this pre-main-amplifier called the PM6100SA made by Marantz.
{50WX2(8ohm), 60WX2(6ohm). 70WX2(4ohm)}
I do not know why but whenever I buy musical gear, I always end up buying Germany's stuff.
They really know what they want. I really respect them for this.

Using preamps are fun. And I really like how they sound, too.
They sound very waterly, and juicy.
But I'm sure many might say that is not the original sound source, and that the sound has been twisted a little.
But doesn't that go with other monitors, and mackie mixers, too ?

Anyway, I looked it up and found that B&W speakers are good. (I couldn't believe their price!)
Marantz and B&W seems to be a good choice. (so far their 705 is on my list)
I did not like how JBL speakers sounded like.

But my knowledge is only that, so far.
May I ask for your advice ???
Should I still buy monitors instead __?
I have no clues about monitors.
Or any recommendations for speakers ???

cheers

[Whuffle]

No contest.

monitors monitors monitors monitors monitors monitors monitors monitors.

Minotaurs.

[stinkfinger]

you should buy a pair of KRK RP-6 monitors. they are the best i've heard, and they are not too expensive...

[hektor ruiez]

try these

prob better than your pansonic speakers.
cheap as fuck from richer sounds, shipping costs might be pretty pricey though.

[JE:5]

Monitors, even just for listening to music.

[wheezer]

I'm using hifi speakers by mirage - I much preferred the diffuse sound I get from these to the linear response one gets from most monitors. but then I don't produce music.

since it seems like you're planning to spend some cash, you should really pay no heed to any advice in this post, and go to some proper local shops that let you test their wares with some of your favorite music to see what sounds best.

what kind of listening space will these be installed in?

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

I love my Mackie monitors and all... and they've really improved recent vinyl cuts I've been involved in.. .but for listening to music, especially more analogue or guitary music Hi-fi speakers sound much nicer. Monitors can get very tiring on your ears at loud volumes for prolonged periods of time.

[V Knid esq]

But monitors are fucking amazing for electronic music - since I don't go clubbing that much any more it's only since I got my Event TRs that I started really appreciating dubstep... I do only use them when I want to listen to stuff clear and loud though, if i'm just playing old vinyl I use my little Gale hifi jobsa.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by V Knid esq

But monitors are fucking amazing for electronic music

Yep I did mean to say that too

[wheezer]

a good pair of hifi speakers + amp make electronic music sound really awesome too, just don't buy it online or from a catalog but actually make the effort to go and listen to it...

[V Knid esq]

Yeah I used to have a Quad 303 amp and some pretty decent speakers, you don't need much more than that in most circumstances.

The great thing about the Export powered jobs is I can plug a set of decks straight into them and they go loud enough to fill a medium sized pub at proper raving volume

[Orang Utan]

I don't know what the difference between them is - monitors ARE speakers n'est-pas?

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

sometimes there is no difference.. but to put it in laymans terms..

Monitors are made to produce sound 'accurately', so you get a flat repsonse in theory.

Whereas hi-fi speakers are designed to make msuic sound nicer basically... they should made music sound warmer.. in the same way you can make music nicer by playing with your bass and treble knobs..

The problem is if you make music on hi-fi speakers then what actually sounds nice through them is actually probably undercompensating on those 'nice' frequencies...

[wheezer]

And, more often than not monitors are active, whereas most, but not all hifi speakers are passive

[c s]

it's quite "rewarding" making your own stuff sound good on monitors & monitor headphones, and then test it on hifi speakers, in the car etc. - it usually sounds great then and makes you proud.

[love_tempo]

Definitely monitors for work are best. But for listening, I find that my monitors aren't always ideal. They can sound very harsh and unforgiving on poor material but on good material they hear right into the music. Also, monitors are less forgiving of acoustically poor rooms than hi-fi speakers.

[Spandex]

I do everything with HiFi speakers... it's not ideal but I've got very used to them and I know where my mix is likely to be wrong

I also have some Spendor BC1s on loan.. (classic 70s speaker)... not particularly accurate (though they were for their time) or good for making music but they sound fucking beautiful... they've got a lot of low end beef.. great for techno. But they really shine when you feed them stuff with a "real" spectrum.. guitars, orchestras, field recordings etc.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by Spandex

I also have some Spendor BC1s on loan.. (classic 70s speaker)... not particularly accurate (though they were for their time) or good for making music but they sound fucking beautiful... they've got a lot of low end beef.. great for techno. But they really shine when you feed them stuff with a "real" spectrum.. guitars, orchestras, field recordings etc.

I haven't heard those for about ten years... why on earth doesn't rich want em? It's not like they actually take up that much space

[JE:5]

Originally Posted by Spandex

I do everything with HiFi speakers... it's not ideal but I've got very used to them and I know where my mix is likely to be wrong

I also have some Spendor BC1s on loan.. (classic 70s speaker)... not particularly accurate (though they were for their time) or good for making music but they sound fucking beautiful... they've got a lot of low end beef.. great for techno. But they really shine when you feed them stuff with a "real" spectrum.. guitars, orchestras, field recordings etc.

The old Celestion Dittons are also real nice speakers and can be picked up very cheap on Ebay these days, they have a really tight and well controlled bottom end that put most modern speakers to shame. It's a pity I only have one at the moment (Dittion 15)

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

You can get used to hi-fi speakers definitely, but it's just all so much less confusing with monitors.. now I'm used to mine I can get mixes done in a fraction of the time instead of that confusing ear-straining malarkey

[AVX23]

I use both Hi Fi and a set of active monitors, I mix everything down on monitors, then usually the 1st thing I do is listen to it on a HI fi setup, then on my laptop speakers.

I find my laptop speakers are an excellent way of making sure lead parts are doing what they are meant to.

I got a pair of Behringer Truth 82031 for 100 quid monitorwise- and they are the dogs, hardly the best monitors out there, however - they do still make a massive difference.

One of the easiest ways to proove monitors in in bass reproduction.

I tend to find that using hi fi speakers you end up with subtones that go virtually unnoticed until you are standing in front of a crowd wondering why you can't make out a single bass drum for the rumble.

It's at this point the bottles start to fly and your left thinking, fuck - I could have saved myself a kicking simply by using proper monitors.

It's possible to buy active monitors for cheaper than you're average decent hi fi, you can even run em straight from a soundcard if required without the need for a desk, but that would be blasphemy.

[Spandex]

The spendors are pretty large... much bigger than modern speakers.

J3ss... I've seen BC1s for £120 on ebay.. dunno how that compares to the Dittion15.. but pop round some time if you want to check out how they sound.

[FiST]

got a pair of jbl - control one recently for £50 or so, they do the job nice enough for me.

[sniffio]

Originally Posted by wheezer

what kind of listening space will these be installed in?

Cheers mates !

I'm planning to set it in my house.

I just found these at the second-hand-audio-hardware center.
"Arden", very old antique speakers made by Tannoy, Britain.
They let me listen to Underworld's Best 92-02 on this.
Antique and techno matches real good.
It may be the Wood + Ageing feeling in the sound.
It really sounds great and warm.

Finally, blood in the electric !



still wondering with the monitors/speakers.
both would be very nice.
very very nice.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by Spandex

The spendors are pretty large...

only floorspace tho.. I wouldn't let em out me sight

[grobelaar]

What is the difference between monitors and speakers. Are there any technical difference - or is a montor simply a speaker that is designed for a very clean and clinical sound?

This is contrast to speakers, which I'm guessing by their reviews are coloured toward a certain presentation style - hence speakers that are suited toward playing a particular style of music.

Or is it something very different. I'm quite happy with my Tannoy R3s - although I found out yesterday that I can pour lead shot if I so please in their base - this makes them sound better and also makes them theft proof

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by grobelaar

What is the difference between monitors and speakers. Are there any technical difference - or is a montor simply a speaker that is designed for a very clean and clinical sound?

This is contrast to speakers, which I'm guessing by their reviews are coloured toward a certain presentation style - hence speakers that are suited toward playing a particular style of music.

Or is it something very different. I'm quite happy with my Tannoy R3s - although I found out yesterday that I can pour lead shot if I so please in their base - this makes them sound better and also makes them theft proof

like someone already mentioned, hi-fi speakers tend to be passive, monitors tend to be active.. which basically means monitors have an amplifier inside each speaker, which in theory is tuned specifically for that speaker.

[sniffio]

Originally Posted by Numbnuts

monitors have an amplifier inside each speaker, which in theory is tuned specifically for that speaker.

now I get the picture why they are built-in.
Tuned.

...........!!!
now, i also know why people call music "tunes"
It's been tuned !

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by sniffio

now I get the picture why they are built-in.
Tuned.

...........!!!
now, i also know why people call music "tunes"
It's been tuned !

hehe. no. two totally different things.. good old confusing english..

there is tuned as in tuning a radio or TV.. or a car engine..

but 'tune' generally means 'melody'.. so basically a song is a tune.. you would whistle a tune...

[sniffio]

Originally Posted by Numbnuts

hehe. no. two totally different things.. good old confusing english..

there is tuned as in tuning a radio or TV.. or a car engine..

but 'tune' generally means 'melody'.. so basically a song is a tune.. you would whistle a tune...

!

I did not know that.
It's like something you knew for all these time,
but did not know what it really meant.
tune=melody
How I missed and did not come cross to it.


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Loony Tunes
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