Animal testing = where do you stand?

[Roy Shaw]

good luck in your POINTLESS FUCKIGjjjjjjjjjjjjEXAM suckaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[soulcheck]

Originally Posted by Roy Shaw

basicly Im right cus I've done BARE DMT. and you soft headed cunts havn't GET ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, you won, enjoy





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[Roy Shaw]

enjoy your game world Exam

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

I never thought the option I voted for would be the one in the majority in this poll... so you learn new things every day...

[Roy Shaw]

You fucking muppets your not gonna get into heaveeen. muhhahahahah

[mdk]

Originally Posted by Numbnuts

I never thought the option I voted for would be the one in the majority in this poll... so you learn new things every day...

and you end up just like the sheep whose eyes you inject your max factor 'super beard shine' into.

It takes a real man to stand alone against these crazy scientists.

[nempsey]

i didn't vote because i think that animal testing is necessary, but i also think it's highly immoral.

i also think it's a bit of a red herring saying that scientists are all working for the good of humanity - they are mostly just curious. the good of humanity thing is tagged on to make discoveries seem relevant to non scientists.

i have done experiments on animals (insects) and that experience made me realise that i would never work in a lab that experimented on mice -

but i am a hypocrite, because last night i enjoyed a tasty lamb curry. ooh i'm all confuddled.

[Roy Shaw]

stop eating meat. its real simple.

[Spandex]

Somebody make me a fucking cup of tea or I'll start posting in this thread.

[don___quixote]

Originally Posted by Spandex

Somebody make me a fucking cup of tea or I'll start posting in this thread.

there you go fella...

[Spandex]

aaaah.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Animal experiments are horrible, I'm well aware of what actually happens to the animals which are experimented upon.

I just personally find it less horrible than a fellow human having a terminal illness or a life of pain.

[emef]

i test all my new tracks on my cat, so i'm all for animal testing
my cat also tests new furniture and the comfort factor of clothing for me too
he's a very handy cat to have around

[don___quixote]

are you shaped like a cat??

[leatherface]

[thembuzz]

i haven't read this thread, so i don't know if i'm saying anything that's already been said

i'm well against animal testing, in all its forms. i am, however, also against political extremism and putting the fear of god into other human beings because they have some kind of involvement, however remote, in something that you don't agree with

i'm not too fluffy on 'liberation' either - taking animals out of a research facility is one thing, but then what? you can't very well release a few hundred rabbits, who've been raised in captivity, into the wild and expect them to last more than a fortnight. not the mention the damage that will be caused to flora and fauna if an area of the countryside experiences a sudden swell in the population of one particular species

[don___quixote]

but how do you feel about letting felines choose your clothes eh?

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

The Contraceptive pill, Ibuprofen, Paracetamol and Asprin were all tested on animals. Anyone here who doesn't take those solely due to them being tested on animals?

[decadnids]

when i was in my late teens i came up with the idea of a coma-card, its like a donor card, but its for when you go into a coma.
it came about when i saw the research on the ear grown on that mouse, and i thought that if a human lost their ear, the'd probably prefer a human skin ear than a mouse skin ear.

then later, a similiar idea was in the brass eye, about people growing organs on their body.

so who's up for a coma card? i'd be up for it.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by decadnids

so who's up for a coma card? i'd be up for it.

well I guess it's obvious that I wouldn't.. but it makes me think that I really should sort out a donor card.

You can get a UK one here:

http://www.uktransplant.org.uk/ukt/h...me_a_donor.jsp

(it takes about 2 mins, very quick)

[grobelaar]

Where's the:

"Animal liberation people who put animals lives higher than their fellow human beings are fucking tapped in the head." option?

Oh ho, and what about that Professor from the university in Texas - fucking hell saw him on some documentary - a really loon... reckons that the Animal lib people are some new dawn of human civilisation or something.

[thembuzz]

Originally Posted by Numbnuts

The Contraceptive pill, Ibuprofen, Paracetamol and Asprin were all tested on animals. Anyone here who doesn't take those solely due to them being tested on animals?

i don't avoid drugs because they've been tested on animals - the harm's already been done. i do try to boycott companies that i know to use animal-testing

[solitary_zen]

Originally Posted by soulcheck

Well if saying that nature is blind means that i assume nature can make decisions, then you're right.

I didn't wan't to imply some kind of intelligence in nature.

What i wanted to say is that evolution is a random process, and by definition doesn't always make the best choices

.... like creating that odd aberration known as Homo sapiens, doomed in an evolutionary cul-de-sac...

It's really funny how we see ourselves as the most important beings on the planet, with our over inflated egos, revelling in our "progress" in the teeny bit of time we've been in existence. If bacteria were conscious, they'd be having quite a giggle.

We can never know the reason we have evolved to be conscious beings, able to rationalise and engage in discussions about ourselves and the world we inhabit. This is perhaps the ultimate question... In the end, in relation to animal testing or anything else, I think we should all simply think about the issues and do what we feel is right. As well as consciousness, we also have the unique possession in a conscience - we all have a sense of what is right and wrong, and the ability to act accordingly.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by solitary_zen

It's really funny how we see ourselves as the most important beings on the planet, with our over inflated egos, revelling in our "progress" in the teeny bit of time we've been in existence. If bacteria were conscious, they'd be having quite a giggle.

I agree it is funny

But then how else would a relatively immature species act? We don't have any other species to compare ourselves to. We need proof of alien existence more than ever!

[Whuffle]

its not all that selfish... its called the survival instinct. which operates at a higher level, the closer to your own gene-pool you get.

So it MIGHT be preferable to not test on animals rather than save some bloke in africa from summat or other.

But if its your kid dying, da bunny gets it. Simple choice, and natural, not selfish.

I guess I am saying its a question of priorities. Shampoo no.. cure for cancer yes.

[mdk]

well, it is selfish. thats what the word means...

'regarding one's own comfort, advantage, etc., in disregard, or at the expense, of those of others.'

to be selfish is quite natural for all animals, its just humans like to pretend they are altruistic.

[Whuffle]

yeah ok, I accept that.

[V Knid esq]

Originally Posted by decadnids

when i was in my late teens i came up with the idea of a coma-card, its like a donor card, but its for when you go into a coma.
it came about when i saw the research on the ear grown on that mouse, and i thought that if a human lost their ear, the'd probably prefer a human skin ear than a mouse skin ear.

then later, a similiar idea was in the brass eye, about people growing organs on their body.

so who's up for a coma card? i'd be up for it.

I have one of these

[don___quixote]

[Virus]

just saw this one pretty late, my opinons on this matter are pretty close to Yer_Maws, but how do those who are against testing on animals for the benefit of humans feel about testing on animals for the benefit of animals? i.e. veterinary medicine trials such as treatments for pets, edible rabies vaccinations for wild animals, treatments to keep livestock healthy. is it just as bad if testing is to ultimately help animals themselves?