Rip It Up And Start Again

[Orang Utan]

Anyone read/reading this?
Simon Reynold's book on Post Punk.
I'm sure a lot of No Futureers would be interested in this.
I've only read the intro so far, so perhaps its premature to post a thread on it, but I was quite interested in Reynolds' praising of the 'genre' by writing a whole book on it. His Energy Flash book was all misty-eyed about rave, but pretty scathing about 'post-rave' ie Squarepusher, Aphex and other chinstrokey 'IDM'. In this book, he's switched positions cos he loves post-punk bands like Talking Heads and Pere Ubu (who are to the Ramones like Autechre are to The Prodigy), while being critical of bands like the Pistols and the whole Punk movement.
He also talks about how post punk was a reaction to punk, in that punk wanted to destroy cos there was 'no future', whilst post-punk wished to build a future, to 'rip it up and start again' (hence the title, I guess, though I think it's also an Orang Juice song).
This also made me want to ask Emma how the name No Future came about.

[nikrem]

i can't wait to read that. no future - holidays in the sun innit?

WOT?

[Orang Utan]

I knew that - but since emma and cristian seem to be big fans of Wire et al, it's seems a strange choice for a name.

The wire is Peado mate every1 know that

[Orang Utan]

Not the mag, the band - post-punk pioneers.

Yes, post punk pioneers..insert long paragraph agreeing peppered with quotes, other bands, and a real rounded person viewpoint.

[Orang Utan]

You'd love the book, Phil

why dont u rip your head off?

[Orang Utan]

PMT?

[grobelaar]

Post Maturation Tantrums???

yep Philip michael thompson, thats my name... sounds like a good book!! will read it! thankz

[Lady E]

Originally posted by Orang Utan
I knew that - but since emma and cristian seem to be big fans of Wire et al, it's seems a strange choice for a name.

the 'no future' refrain comes from God Save The Queen, and we were listening to the Pistols a lot at the time (drinking gin and falling over). it just seemed appropriate - it's not a nihilist thing but expresses the idea that there is no future except for the one you make for yourself - DIY, etc. we were around a lot of subcultural entrepreneurs running alternative businesses in brighton and we thought we could do it too.

i still love the punks even if i prefer post-punk music - and john lydon straddles both punk and post-punk so im happy to have the name...

[Lady E]

Originally posted by Orang Utan
Anyone read/reading this?
Simon Reynold's book on Post Punk.
I'm sure a lot of No Futureers would be interested in this.
I've only read the intro so far, so perhaps its premature to post a thread on it, but I was quite interested in Reynolds' praising of the 'genre' by writing a whole book on it. His Energy Flash book was all misty-eyed about rave, but pretty scathing about 'post-rave' ie Squarepusher, Aphex and other chinstrokey 'IDM'. In this book, he's switched positions cos he loves post-punk bands like Talking Heads and Pere Ubu (who are to the Ramones like Autechre are to The Prodigy), while being critical of bands like the Pistols and the whole Punk movement.
He also talks about how post punk was a reaction to punk, in that punk wanted to destroy cos there was 'no future', whilst post-punk wished to build a future, to 'rip it up and start again' (hence the title, I guess, though I think it's also an Orang Juice song).

read many reviews, and excerpts in various broadsheets. it looks good. i would like to read it, but i fear ill get it and stick it with that paul morley one from last year and never get round to it now i kind of know the gist. thats the problem with reading too many reviews of one thing...

[mr franks]

i got this book as a freebie as i do work for faber and faber, but i have not read it yet... looks very good though and has had good reviews.

[Spandex]

I'm reading Julian Cope's autobiographies on loan from Steev.. just finished "Head On" and just started "Repossessed". "Head On" is mainly about the Liverpool punk scene and was really good. There's a double edition:-
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...32700?v=glance

[Martin23]

It's not half bad, it's in our toilet at Dust Towers...

[decadnids]

Spandex - cope's stuff is good, both his auto-biogs. i reckon are worth a read.

[Orang Utan]

Originally posted by emma

i still love the punks even if i prefer post-punk music - and john lydon straddles both punk and post-punk

Indeed, Reynolds starts the book with Lydon's transformation from enfant terrible to aesthete. Do read the book - it's wicked - definitely worth making time for.