The evolution of Israel

[V Knid esq]

Mmmm... Basic.

Who's defending Israel's actions?

[bitconductor]

Er, you are by implication?

[V Knid esq]

Ah I see your problem now: you're completely wrong.

[dan gulberry]

Originally Posted by komakid

I can't wait for his next movie. it is written after a Stanislav Lem novell. They work on it for ages now. You can imagine that with this point of view, it is hard for him to get on Israeli film funds and money:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821641/

OT, but did you or anyone read the novel, The Futurological Congress (I'm assuming that's the one they're adapting this film from)? There's so much Lem I want to read, need some recommendations. Only read The Cyberiad so far. I know there are much darker Lem stories (e.g. Solaris).

[bitconductor]

*sigh/ weary raised right eyebrow* Completely and utterly wrong about what?

EDIT: PLEASE IGNORE

[V Knid esq]

Originally Posted by dan gulberry

OT, but did you or anyone read the novel, The Futurological Congress (I'm assuming that's the one they're adapting this film from)? There's so much Lem I want to read, need some recommendations. Only read The Cyberiad so far. I know there are much darker Lem stories (e.g. Solaris).

Only read Cyberiad, Solaris, Chain of Chance.... all brilliant. Solaris is totally gripping. Chain of Chance reads like Borges.

[Loz]

Originally Posted by V Knid esq

"WHAT ABOUT THE WAY ISRAEL KEEPS GROWING EH???"

"What do you mean by that, Loz?

"Woah, leave me out of this"

"But you raised the topic - and in a way that clearly demonstrated an opinion"

"Yeah and that is my opinion, but I'm not saying it's my opinion"

"Righto."

It's amusing me how wilfully you're putting your own agenda on what I'm actually saying.

Can you please tell me where I clearly demonstrate an opinion in the following:

Originally Posted by Loz

I'm posting this without political comment.

It is pretty mental how much the area has changed in such a short time.

or in this

Originally Posted by Loz

It's not him who says it, but it is in the film (which is pretty heavy going in parts)

I've managed to find a quote from here: http://suite101.com/article/movie-re...-bashir-a69295

this

Originally Posted by Loz

Also, there was a reason I said I was posting this without political comment.

But one thing I do wonder (again, without taking sides), where did all the people who used to live in those massive Palestinian areas go?

this

Originally Posted by Loz

I'm staying out of this. I was just reporting what was in the film.

Watch it, it's hard going, but very very good. (Although it is specifically about the 1982 Lebanese conflict, rather than the current Palestinian one)

this

Originally Posted by Loz

I'm not. And stop spoiling for a fight.

think there might be a hint of an opinion in this one, but it's quite late on, and only after quite a few attacks towards me

Originally Posted by Loz

I'm not sure about how saying "no comment" and wondering where a load of people who used to live somewhere are now is particularly putting over a viewpoint.

I specifically didn't make reference to the war and territory issues. I was looking at it simply from the point that the borders have changed so much in so little time, it's a bit mental. I know some Arabs are now Israeli citizens, and some have gone to Egypt/Lebenon/etc, but that's still a huge country that has been so dramatically changed, I thought it was interesting.

I'm deliberately not making any passing of judgement on the reasons for the change (although, obviously, I do hold that judgement myself) and I think you're painting what you think I'm saying onto it, when I'm deliberately not saying those things.


But decadnids is right, we should have invoked Godwin's Law on that third post.

But I actually think I've spent most of the time trying NOT to show my opinion.

[komakid]

The name of that documentary is "Schildkroetenwut".

[komakid]

Originally Posted by dan gulberry

OT, but did you or anyone read the novel, The Futurological Congress (I'm assuming that's the one they're adapting this film from)? There's so much Lem I want to read, need some recommendations. Only read The Cyberiad so far. I know there are much darker Lem stories (e.g. Solaris).

Tbh only Solaris, which is a great and fast read. He wrote so much stuff, I didn't check out, but need to.

[dan gulberry]

Originally Posted by V Knid esq

Only read Cyberiad, Solaris, Chain of Chance.... all brilliant. Solaris is totally gripping. Chain of Chance reads like Borges.

cheers knid and komakid, I'll have to just plunge in.

[komakid]

Yeah me too. He wrote soooo much stuff when you look at it.