r&s split?

[spoon]

rhythm & sound that is...

http://www.eleventhvolume.com/miscel...8/04/sad-news/

any truth or is it bollocks? if true, will it mean a new ernestus/von oswald project or is this the end?

it's silly season folks, let's have you.

[Sheridan]

it is true.
they won't be working together anymore at all.

[stype]

bummer.

i can't really estimate the ideal value of each record they did together. they'll always be an essential part of my collection, timeless classics with such a deep power and beauty which only they could create.

but nevertheless: they made music for almost three decades, and techno shortly after it came up. it couldn't have lasted forever, so one should be grateful for the stuff they did.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

I had no idea Oswald was producing as far back as the early eighties.

Ernestus looks like he needs a nice rest.

[Patrick]

He clearly knows the importance of keeping your head warm with his hat and two hoodies.

[M H]

I keep thinking this thread is something to do with R&S records when I look at it on the main page...

[AVX23]

me too - this is worse news than I'd imagined

But maurizio is doing new stuff (or remixes at least) and I reckon Rythym and sound have gone as far as they were ever going to go with that project bar getting in more vocalists, so it's a good time to stop I reckon.

Their legacy will certainly live on - that's guaranteed - and I'm sure their new projects will be great too.

That picture is freaky - looks like a zombie !!

[V Knid esq]

Were they REALLY that special? I still don't get what sets them apart.

[AVX23]

ahh well - I think we could be here all night talking that one over heheh

authenticity, depth, integrity, soul, mysticism

are the key elements that set them apart for me.

I'm glad I've never seen them live though - a studio band if ever there was one.

[jukka]

Originally Posted by V Knid esq

Were they REALLY that special? I still don't get what sets them apart.

yes, they were...proper good music all over the years.

[jukka]

i saw them live once and yes it was a bit disapointing...music was good though of course

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by AVX23

authenticity, depth, integrity, soul, mysticism

well said.
I have always thought there was something so magical about their sound.
I was really getting into their showcase cd featuring paul st. hilaire. I bought some of his solo albums and it just didn't "have it".
it was a missing something.
and I think what you listed sums it very well.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by V Knid esq

Were they REALLY that special? I still don't get what sets them apart.

I thought the techno set them apart, the Dub Reggae is very very good and pristinely produced but not very unique.. I think it lacks the oddness, carelessness and insanity of really good Dub Reggae...

[love_tempo]

Originally Posted by V Knid esq

Were they REALLY that special? I still don't get what sets them apart.

do you mean r&s or moritz and ernestus? I don't think r&s were ever REALLY that special. I doubt they ever thought it was either, probably why there won't be any more of it.

[Orang Utan]

Yeah, techno-wise, you couldn't beat them - if I were a DJ, I'd be wary of playing BC/M records in my sets cos they'd make everything else sound shit

[Orang Utan]

Originally Posted by ckpqerjwrpwp

I had no idea Oswald was producing as far back as the early eighties.

He's played percussion on a lot of records - Erasure, Holdger Hiller, a lot of the Mute people

[Orang Utan]

He's even played for The Associates!

[love_tempo]

Originally Posted by Orang Utan

Yeah, techno-wise, you couldn't beat them - if I were a DJ, I'd be wary of playing BC/M records in my sets cos they'd make everything else sound shit

BC especially, although M records sound really nice between and underneath more melodic detroit techno, like old carl craig say. The M records also mix into each other really well.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

BC records sound great with vocal stuff.. a good BC/Acapella combo is hard to beat...

Well then.. 'Rhythm & Sound' in 'not as popular as you might think' shocka

[spoon]

the first main street record with the big euphoric vocal was ace.

as far as bc/r&s go i think their whole body of work, their labels, the dub reissues, their record shop, the dubplates and mastering outfit has all been massively influential generally just brilliant.

[AVX23]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

well said.
I have always thought there was something so magical about their sound.
I was really getting into their showcase cd featuring paul st. hilaire. I bought some of his solo albums and it just didn't "have it".
it was a missing something.
and I think what you listed sums it very well.

yeah - he's a great singer, but I think in certain terms - he lacks imagination as a producer and certainly when it comes to toasting - he's a bit weak - 'sellasi-i' etc...repeat times 10 million - hmm you done gone forget the words again innit

I got a recent (ish) thing he'd put out as a 4 way split ep with bus and fehlmann and his contribution was frankly - awful - there's no other way of putting it.

But then I listen to never tell you or find a way and I'm reminded of his greatness.

Tell you what tho - I think I'd perhaps rate that spaceape guy far higher these days - his contributions on the burial album are awe inspiring.

@ ckpqerjwrpwp - what do you mean about what you've said with their popularity - do you think perhaps this is the reason for the split ? I 'd fnd it hard to fathom, their records are stocked universally and there seems to be a high demand - but then I suppose - the product being widely available and heavilly tipped doesn't necc translate as being top selling.

I can never get over their live shows though - I've never been to one (thankfully) but the reports I've had have always been - universally shit, and normally it's a case of them playing lots of their material in ableton (not live or from elements, but just warping whole trax I'd guess) - dropping some delays over the top and tikiman attempting to toast - exactly the same as what scion do with their stuff - though scion seem to treat it with more respect and at least get a good sound.

I don't think maurizio cares tho - I've heard he's stinking rich - probably where the attitude comes from - s like - I don't need ur money peasant - I will give you what I see as being fit and nothing more - in fact - sod it - I'll employ some underlings to play it for me - cos I can't be arsed - I'll just go to this reggae festival in spain and play all my records over and over - for a week non stop and then occasionally remix the odd house track by taking one of the loops from m5 and repeating it endlessly

That's why I love him so much - he's not trying to please anyone other than himself i reckon , and this purity and complete selfishness does occasionally (more often than not in fact) produce utter genius.

**edit - at spoon - that's probably the only main street one I don't like - just not my cup of tea at all - but I agree with the rest of the post.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

I just think R&S are overrated, it's just really not inventive stuff in any sense and I don't think they intend it to be, it's more the hype you'll read i'm talking about. I do think R&S are very good though... just not brilliant... in terms of the best music that has come out of Jamaica in the past 40 years they just don't come close for me... and I don't think it can be argued that they are working in a different sphere anymore.

None of that has anything to do with their distribution, sales, or them splitting up in my head anyway. I can't knock what they've done in the wider sense.

[love_tempo]

Originally Posted by spoon

the first main street record with the big euphoric vocal was ace.

not sure if they are the first one, but both "brother" and "new day" are both very nice. kind of cheesy, like the lluomo record but very nice all the same.

[spoon]

i wouldn't agree that they're overrated, maybe just that their take on dub appeals to alot of people who don't really listen to dub or haven't been exposed to it and are prone to overstating r&s's originality or something....?

and afaik maurizio = moritz AND mark. there tends to be confusion over that one.

[AVX23]

Originally Posted by spoon

i wouldn't agree that they're overrated, maybe just that their take on dub appeals to alot of people who don't really listen to dub or haven't been exposed to it and are prone to overstating r&s's originality or something....?

and afaik maurizio = moritz AND mark. there tends to be confusion over that one.

I didn't know that - good info - which sparks the thought - how many germans does it take to make and repeat a loop and then effect it *ever* so slightly

I've never seen any thing which makes me thing that they were ever about being cutting edge with it, or original - like I said - it's authenticity - they have genuinely tapped into a mystical and spiritual vibe and maintained it without ever trying to please the pack. The BC and CR releases most certainly were highly original, although some might say formulaic (much as a lot of music is - i don't think that's always a bad thing, lots of good things can come of a well crafted formula and that is pretty universal). It all depends on what stage of R+S we're talking about though, mango drive, smile (pre dubstep - dubstep if you ask me), range, all the earlier gear pre-ceding the burial mix stuff was very cutting edge at the time (I've still to hear a dub track with as much presence as mango drive on a big system - it's beyond compare - and even then - if all music was to stay the same - where would we be !), although it was more in the mould of the BC/CR releases - I was going through them all the other night and I still get stopped in my tracks by some of them, their mix of the wailers again is beyond compare - although it is very loopy.

I do think though that a lot of hype merchants have picked up on something they will never understand in order to buy into their credibility and in that sense - yes they are over-rated - but If you go back to what Spoon was saying - I think their achievements deserve all the praise and hype going. - be it from fresh out of college hacks or minimal clubbers with no clue what anything prior to M_nus is actually all about.

I think their music really should do the talking tho - If I ever made anything nearly as good I'd die a happy man

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

Originally Posted by spoon

maybe just that their take on dub appeals to alot of people who don't really listen to dub or haven't been exposed to it and are prone to overstating r&s's originality or something....?

aye probably spot on.