The Oldest Person you know to have an E?

[FredDibnah]

OK - I matured through the late 80s and 90s going out to places and taking the MDMA. (CHester, Nottingham, Bedford (HelterSkelter & ESP), Dreamscapes, Astoria as Fantasy FM, Orange etc)

I met a few randoms in my time and a few nice folk of course - (Pure, Sativa, Test (in no relevant order!!)

But I everyone was mostly the same age as me - (apart form Sativa Krusties who looked older than they were!)

But I met the other day a 60 yr old woman who - just in conversation said she had taken an E!

My I thought to myself - you are the oldest person I know who I havemet who has taken an e!

Can you beat that anecdote?

[TroyMoyOnions]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FredDibnah
[B]OK - I matured through the late 80s and 90s.....

hehe..that made me laugh!

i remember meeting mums and dads out raving...once with there teenage kid out with them..all boshed on pills...
but not as old as 60..
had she taken it recently?...
i think a rushing gran would spoon me out a tad..

oi Fred...you going to be in london for tammy mc strakers bash on the 4th?
lets wobble

[cut out]

Originally posted by TroyMoyOnions

i remember meeting mums and dads out raving...once with there teenage kid out with them..all boshed on pills...
lets wobble

this always seemed to happen to me in my checkpoint charlie days... some gurning mum would grab you for a 1/2 hour rant and then at the end of it go "here's my daughter" - as if she was trying to set you up or something... but 60 seems pretty fukkin old!

[decadnids]

Originally posted by cut out

but 60 seems pretty fukkin old!

why does 60 seem old for someone to take E?

You have to think that people like Alexander Shulgin, and John Lilly, and Tim Leary and the likes where all exploring the inner worlds by using mind altering drugs into their 70s'

[cut out]

yeah, but they aren't exactly the norm - what do you reckon the number of over 60's doing medium/hard drugs is as a percentage?... not much i reckon...

i expressed surprise cos 2 b honest anything like little funny things these days make me feel like i'm too old, so to be doing it at 60 is pretty mental. i aint condone/condemning it, just saying it is old!

[decadnids]

Originally posted by cut out

i expressed surprise cos 2 b honest anything like little funny things these days make me feel like i'm too old, so to be doing it at 60 is pretty mental. i aint condone/condemning it, just saying it is old!

didnt realise there was an age limit to exploring consciousness.

personally i reckon the older you are its probably better.

[bracket]

Fred - u have the other half of my avatar!!! lol

[thomas hooked]

old people taking e is the pits

[goone]

i reckon e is far more likely to fuck a coffin sniffers heart than mushies

at witnness a couple of years ago i met this bloke who was about forty five or fifty havin a piss in the jacks off his tits
he told me himself and the wife had decided to go down and
do e for a laugh
he looked like he was having a ball

[bitch one]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
old people taking e is the pits

whereas it's perfectly acceptable for them to drink their pension every week

bollax. let the oldies have their fun.

[emef]

my mums 58 and has had E, mushies, speed and still smokes the funnyciggies
only the funnyciggies have ever been in my presence... thank flip
its so hard rebelling against a parent like that.

[emef]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
old people taking e is the pits


young people talking shite is the pits

[thomas hooked]

Originally posted by bitch one


whereas it's perfectly acceptable for them to drink their pension every week

bollax. let the oldies have their fun.

oh yep, when your pensoinable age and your brain/ body is on its last legs fair game i agree- but in your fifties you should probably have a few more taxing things to be thinking about than getting over a comedown

[emef]

what like, not slipping on the ice? and finding those fleecy boots that zip up the front?

pass me the fucking opium, thats my old age right there (possibly)

[alex cortex]

wasn´t there this guy, famous conductor for kids choires and stuff, called fischer, should be way beyond seventy, who was spiked with an e at the love parade some years ago? if i recall it right he spoke later on in talk shows about his experience...

[decadnids]

Originally posted by emef

pass me the fucking opium, thats my old age right there (possibly)

opium is good what ever your age ;)

[thomas hooked]

Originally posted by emef
what like, not slipping on the ice? and finding those fleecy boots that zip up the front?


don't patronise the 50 somethings. they run the world. and write all the best books.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by thomas hooked


don't patronise the 50 somethings. they run the world. and write all the best books.

well some of the best books.

[bitch one]

my point being - for healthy body and mind, drinking is far worse than popping an e.

when's the last time you popped one without drinking a shedload? don't you reckon a lot of the 'comedown' might actually be caused by the huge amount of booze you consumed while gurning?

[cut out]

Originally posted by decadnids


didnt realise there was an age limit to exploring consciousness.

personally i reckon the older you are its probably better.

that's a total misappropriation of my words. i said i wasn't passing judgement, just saying that it is quite old to be doing drugs.

my own experience of 'expanding your consciousness' however is that it is largely a load of bollocks. as soon as i started taking LSD/E or anything like that my imagination took a nose-dive. what i did discover was how to get nutted, talk arse and stumble around a lot - which is great.

[thomas hooked]

agreed

[Virus]

also agreed, how can you intellectualise getting wrecked? its all just cheap thrills for me

[iain c]

Originally posted by emef



young people talking shite is the pits
lol aye,

[decadnids]

Originally posted by cut out

my own experience of 'expanding your consciousness' however is that it is largely a load of bollocks. as soon as i started taking LSD/E or anything like that my imagination took a nose-dive. what i did discover was how to get nutted, talk arse and stumble around a lot - which is great.

maybe you should wait until you are in your 60's.

personally I feel i recieved quite a lot of useful insight from exploring psychedelics when i took them.

[thomas hooked]

sure- if your serious about using them as a kind of exploration- surely it is best to do it, as all the mentioned people have - in standard scientific controlled conditions- ie make sure everything other than the drug is a constant factor- white room- no music etc..... not in a club environment with unknown amounts/pollutants washed down with loads of ethanol. in this case than yes, it is better to do it as a 60 something with a clear head.

[cut out]

Originally posted by decadnids


maybe you should wait until you are in your 60's.

personally I feel i recieved quite a lot of useful insight from exploring psychedelics when i took them.

...if I get there! i think by that age i'll be firmly in the booze camp already mentioned...mmm, i just love the taste of booze so much... sherry, port, all that good oap shit i will drink it all up and then wee down my trouser leg whilst i am sleep it off.

i woz not knocking psychie druks - i think they have diff effects with diff people innit...

[emef]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
sure- if your serious about using them as a kind of exploration- surely it is best to do it, as all the mentioned people have - in standard scientific controlled conditions- ie make sure everything other than the drug is a constant factor- white room- no music etc..... not in a club environment with unknown amounts/pollutants washed down with loads of ethanol. in this case than yes, it is better to do it as a 60 something with a clear head.

and if you`re really serious about it, may i suggest wearing a dark cotton suit, grey is best for optimum serious-ness, and sensible brogues.
a trilby possibly... to ward off any rogue hilarity entering through the head.
on second thoughts... no that trilby will look silly, not the serious look we want to promote at all

wow this drug taking lark (i mean higher consciousness exploration experiment) is more serious than i thought

[thomas hooked]

exactly.

[iain c]

i remember back in what must have been if im right 1945 just when the war was finaly over.There we all were (the whole street) all dancing ,singing,shagging,whatever else people thought like doing ,but a few of us got a hold of what then were called "satans sweets" -oh the joy ,i still remember dancing like a silly fool to the sounds of Auntie mays piano favourites,including the old hit ,"You cant whack that dog with the stick anymore" (mrs mocket)and the other classic "dont put any onion in the mince" (its not nice).Of course we didnt have any of that rackety rack beat music in those days just a piano and if they were not being used the spoons ,but we enjoyed ourselfs anyway-- ahh them were the days. ;)

[emef]

lol

[cut out]

didn't they have 'black bennies', 'white horses' 'speedballs' and all that odd pre-80's shit back then?

anyone else know any other 'what's that?' drugs from days gone past... my step dad reeled off a list of what he took in his days once and i was like - 'wtf is all that!!!'

[decadnids]

Originally posted by cut out


i woz not knocking psychie druks - i think they have diff effects with diff people innit...

i didnt think you were mate.

its just that I feel that from exploring them, and i mean in situations where I am not "raving" but in semi controlled experiments, they can be a benefit.

but ofcourse, like anything that involved messing with the old brain, you can do yourself some serious mentalist issues.

Thomas, i dont reckon "scientific" experimentation is the best policy - i reckon if i was on a heroic dose of some substance, sitting in a white room with no musick would properly send me on a weird one - but then that is no different from sitting in a dark room with no stimuli - such as some of the experiments John Lilly performed on himself with sensory deprivation.

either way, dont mess with the old noodle box lightly ;)

[cut out]

Originally posted by decadnids

but ofcourse, like anything that involved messing with the old brain, you can do yourself some serious mentalist issues.



damn right, i've found myself dancing to brandon block once when i was mushed up.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by cut out

damn right, i've found myself dancing to brandon block once when i was mushed up.

its only a shocker when reality kicks in and you realise what the hell you are doing!!!!
:)

[thomas hooked]

I've nothing against "intoxication rituals" as Will Self calls them, in fact i think they're sort of vital. if i don't lose it a bit regularly and allow the swing of mood to settle for too long- it plumets rather rapidly. So far be it for me to criticse other peoples choice of weapons. Its the intellectualisation of selfsame that bothers me- getting fucked isn't going to change the world- but as part of a healthy varied diet etc. in my humble opinion- the best music to have come out of drugs has been on serious not much fun drugs. ecstacy severely cripples your critical facilties- take too much while your producing and you end up with big beat.

[bencodec]

I think it's very interesting to look at the UK music scene (where pills are common place) and the US (where they are not so much) and see the differences. Like for example, the 5 fantastic nights i have seen recently in NYC where everyone in the place just stands and stares at someone playing increadable tunes have been a bit of a let down. I wonder if pills might actually allow americans to enjoy themselves at a night without being afraid of looking like a twats.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by thomas hooked
ecstacy severely cripples your critical facilties- take too much while your producing and you end up with big beat.

LOL

tis true, i know what you are saying.

personally i am not a fan of e
- it dont suite my mentality.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by bencodec
I wonder if pills might actually allow americans to enjoy themselves at a night without being afraid of looking like a twats.


or just get really pissed up on alco-mo-hol - that always does the trick, even if you look like a twat you wont give a shit.

[thomas hooked]

now you're back- whats a JiD?

[Sheridan]

I found E to be a benifit for me. it helped me come to terms with issues I had and experiences I was going through at the time. it helped me mentally get pass a lot of shit and shed some baggage. plus I actually had fun too! but I haven't rolled (or gurn as you brits put it) in a few years now. I don't miss it and I don't really care to go back. maybe when I am older and in my 50's or 60's I might want to take a trip back. but by the time I get to that age I'd be scared of what pills are like and what sort of changes they may have inccured. also by that time there will probably be all kinds of crazy new drugs that may make E passe'.

[Loz]

Originally posted by bitch one
when's the last time you popped one without drinking a shedload? don't you reckon a lot of the 'comedown' might actually be caused by the huge amount of booze you consumed while gurning?

Agreed.

I don't mix alcohol and e at the same time, and the come down is pretty managable. I feel a little down a day or so later, but it's not too bad that I can't cope with it.

When I wake up in the morning after, I feel fine, though.

[Loz]

Originally posted by bencodec
I think it's very interesting to look at the UK music scene (where pills are common place) and the US (where they are not so much) and see the differences. Like for example, the 5 fantastic nights i have seen recently in NYC where everyone in the place just stands and stares at someone playing increadable tunes have been a bit of a let down. I wonder if pills might actually allow americans to enjoy themselves at a night without being afraid of looking like a twats.

It does.

American friend of mine, who'd never taken e - and never danced - came over to Glastonbury this year. Being the community spirited fellow I am, I introduced him to the wonders of pills. He was dancing the night away, had a fantastic time, talked to loads of people and loved every minute of it. All things he never did in the US, but thanks to his trip, had resolved to do much more often.

[emef]

Originally posted by bencodec
I think it's very interesting to look at the UK music scene (where pills are common place) and the US (where they are not so much) and see the differences. Like for example, the 5 fantastic nights i have seen recently in NYC where everyone in the place just stands and stares at someone playing increadable tunes have been a bit of a let down. I wonder if pills might actually allow americans to enjoy themselves at a night without being afraid of looking like a twats.

are americans afraid of looking like twats? thats on the the cusp of being hugely ironic ;)

[bencodec]

I'm with you emef.

I just don't even know if drink would do the trick, most americans i know drink sitting down all the time. the bars are full of tables and chairs, and though a venue will have a huge open space to stand in I have yet to see anyone dance in it. It seems to be there to stand and look really serious in.

I think americans exposure to dancing is from films (where of course the actors dance like people who've had dancing lessons) and they just never seemed cool in probably the same way fake bands in films never seemed very cool.

[FiST]

how do pills cost these days in your part of the world? they only cost about £3:50 up here, which is quite worrying really.

[Loz]

I've been told $20 in the US.. that's like twelve quid

[Sheridan]

like I said it has been a few years since I've had any pills. then they were $25 standard. sometimes $30. and I'd seen them go as high as $50. last I heard they were down to about $20, maybe $15 if you buy a 10 pack.

[Loz]

it's like the 90s all over again

[FiST]

what about the rest of the UK + europe?

do you think price directly reflects quality?

[Loz]

I don't think so. I know a lot of people say e isn't as strong as it used to be, but I stopped taking it for a fair few years, and can now get off my face and having a party on just one.

independant tests have also said that if anything, the e's you buy these days are a little bit purer than they used to be, as refinement techniques have got better.

[karitek]

ben what parties have you been going to?? the last 5 i have been to in nyc had people dancing their asses off (the dumbo warehouse party, andy weatherall, and 3 ps1 parties in a row). it's been great :)

i think a couple of years ago, americans didn't really dance. and the whole hipster phenomenum (brits, think shoreditch twats) don't dance. but i feel like that's really changing. hell, even my friends and i were dancing on the bar and tables at our local on tuesday night.

americans are just less into electronic music, but, most of the nights i've been to recently (minus the mouse on mars gig - which was because it was full of rockers) really were rocking. this honestly is the best i've seen the nyc scene in the 8 years i've been in and out of ny.

btw, pills run between $10-20 here. but it's pretty rare for people over 21 to do them. once you can legally drink, people just do that.

[Loz]

karitek - love the new avatar, btw

[karitek]

thanks :)

[Sheridan]

yes I noticed that this morining. very hip kari!

[karitek]

yeah, got woken up by a phone call at 2:30am, and couldn't get back to bed til 5.... so decided it was time for a change :)

[arar]

I went to a club in Edinburgh a few years ago and meet three gener ations of women form the same family who were all off their tits, the youngest was in her late teens, the oldest in her fifties..they were having a rare old time...I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they got home to their men folk that morning..

[TroyMoyOnions]

Originally posted by arar
I went to a club in Edinburgh a few years ago and meet three gener ations of women form the same family who were all off their tits, the youngest was in her late teens, the oldest in her fifties..they were having a rare old time...I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they got home to their men folk that morning..

a skinny fiver says thats pure in edinburgh..
im sure ive met the same trio.. lol

[arar]

It most likely was I think..

[mandal]

with an E you mean drugz bought on the black market, or drugz recommented by the medical professions as well?

the grandmother of a friend is 90-something. she gets up at 6 in the morning, drinks 3 cups of strong coffee, takes her pills, beginns saying weird things, goes to bed again, gets up at 15.00, takes her pills and so on...

[Goonie]

hahaha...there's a Pure story about a mother draggin her daughter round the floor with a dog collar and lead in the basement of the venue

mon the pure club

anyone going to the 14th birthday party in August?

[bencodec]

I was refering more to way the US never had a "summer of love" if you will through dance music. Or perhaps we had a little one in NY in the 70s with disco that promptly brought about a huge homophobic anti-dance uprising through rock that the US still has not gotten over.

Personally I think pills might actually cause a few more people to dance and enjoy themselves without ridiculous posturings.

yes, the US is just not very into electronic music, but i don't even see too many people dance to rock either.

Originally posted by karitek
ben what parties have you been going to?? the last 5 i have been to in nyc had people dancing their asses off (the dumbo warehouse party, andy weatherall, and 3 ps1 parties in a row). it's been great :)

i think a couple of years ago, americans didn't really dance. and the whole hipster phenomenum (brits, think shoreditch twats) don't dance. but i feel like that's really changing. hell, even my friends and i were dancing on the bar and tables at our local on tuesday night.

americans are just less into electronic music, but, most of the nights i've been to recently (minus the mouse on mars gig - which was because it was full of rockers) really were rocking. this honestly is the best i've seen the nyc scene in the 8 years i've been in and out of ny.

btw, pills run between $10-20 here. but it's pretty rare for people over 21 to do them. once you can legally drink, people just do that.

[eclairfi]

Originally posted by Goonie
hahaha...there's a Pure story about a mother draggin her daughter round the floor with a dog collar and lead in the basement of the venue

mon the pure club

anyone going to the 14th birthday party in August?


i can believe that lol lol lol

[Virus]

Originally posted by FiST
how do pills cost these days in your part of the world? they only cost about £3:50 up here, which is quite worrying really.

london prices took an all time low, when i was simply asked to buy a bacardi breezer in return...

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by Virus
london prices took an all time low, when i was simply asked to buy a bacardi breezer in return...

haha! a bacardi breezer for a pill. what a trade!

[pongoid]

Well of course electronic music's not very big here. How many people over here even grasp the concept of a sampler, or that one can use electricity to generate a tone. It for more than just running a fuckin hair-dryer and charging a cellie, but your average person on the street has no fuckin clue. Ignorances here are considered acceptable and fashionable, and the idea that a computer or moreover a piece of hardware, is a legitimate instrument is just alien. If folks can't see you playing an instrument they understand, even keys on a synth, then you're just not really making the music, so could you please throw on something they could dance to, like some Trance?

Also, The DEA has been getting pretty hard and heavy on MDMA and speed, with a LOT of bullshit propaganda, super-violent and deadly raids (that are kept rather unpublicised) and fear-mongering to get people back on the government's drugs, and under better control.

Now as for old folks gettin off their tits, fuckin A, go for it, and have fun. Life is short. Breathing air will kill you eventually.

Ape

[Yer_Maw]

Originally posted by bencodec
I was refering more to way the US never had a "summer of love" if you will through dance music. Or perhaps we had a little one in NY in the 70s with disco that promptly brought about a huge homophobic anti-dance uprising through rock that the US still has not gotten over.




aw man i always wondered what the hell that disco sucks thing was all about, so strange. totally makes sense that it was homophobia.

[WON'T DO IT]

Originally posted by cut out



damn right, i've found myself dancing to brandon block once when i was mushed up.

That is class - i wish i'd seen it mate !! I've done similar things myself eg. saying ahh, have you heard that new shitty commercial house remix of that classic old funk tune..well this is the original - isn't it a corker... then eating your words as you realise that you ARE dancing to the shitty remix

[wheezer]

Originally posted by WON'T DO IT


That is class - i wish i'd seen it mate !! I've done similar things myself eg. saying ahh, have you heard that new shitty commercial house remix of that classic old funk tune..well this is the original - isn't it a corker... then eating your words as you realise that you ARE dancing to the shitty remix

the original music nerd's nightmare lol

e's in finland are around 20€, in cologne recently they were 5€

[Virus]

Originally posted by Yer_Maw


aw man i always wondered what the hell that disco sucks thing was all about, so strange. totally makes sense that it was homophobia.

disco sucks was a mad , mad movement, those mass record burnings they had in stadiums - what a waste! i remember seeing a documentary on it, one guy who was a steward in the stadium said half the records people brought weren't even disco, people were trashing their james brown, or basically anything by a black artist

[karitek]

yeah, it was just as racist as it was homophobic. the crazy thing is that this was allowed to happen - imagine if they burned a bunch of black or gay books in the '70s?? i feel like there would have been a backlash against that, but records are ok to burn?!? i don't get it.

[pongoid]

This might be sort of related to things these days. Interesting article, anyhow.

www.slate.com/id/2098109/

Ape

[FredDibnah]

@ Price of Pills - when I started back in early daze they were 20 quid - then 15 for denace the menace and new yorkers, then it all went hazy when i moved to edinburgh - now they are like a bacardi breezer - :) :)

@Troy -=> I never matured you are right - hee hee! And am going to mad strakerz on 4th - Big Bruvva playing a tune or twa kenzi

@Anyone who got all serious about Ecstasy ever in their time being some kind of "door" of perception or some kind of awakening experience or thang I say

- BULL mOTHER -fucking a-hole shite - dinna ever forget yer outta yer head which ever psychodelic you take. So whatever your think - it is just a temporary glitch - as one old rave track says "Can't Beat the System - Go with the Flow"

@USA - well let's just remember USA may have Rock'n'Roll but Britain has always lived rock'n'Roll - Why did HEndrix come over here man - let them all catch up on the E thang - just like the OZzies and Kiwi's coming over here in late 90's and taking the idea back to themselves -

@Me - what a fool for asking such a question!

[FredDibnah]

@The person with the avatar of hinge or bracket - NICE one LAdy Boy!

[djerome]

Originally posted by pongoid
This might be sort of related to things these days. Interesting article, anyhow.

www.slate.com/id/2098109/

Ape
i think his conclusions are wrong. the DEA would like us to believe that they are winning the 'war on drugs', so i don't buy that it's a 'really big bust' that has made it decline. i believe it's social and cultural factors that are more convincing. the attachment to lsd is not like ecstasy. i think the hippie and 60's culture has helped promote it. but kids these days i dont see them want to do it regularly.

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by pongoid
Well of course electronic music's not very big here. How many people over here even grasp the concept of a sampler, or that one can use electricity to generate a tone.

Ummm.... Timbaland? Neptunes? Outkast? Dre? Kanye?

God this thread is making me want to bosh a couple of pills, haven't done it in ages, it's all about the Habana Club these days.

[pongoid]

@djerome: I hate to break it you, and I shan't go to far into it, but I can tell you for a fact that the one big bust of the two fellas in the silo in Kansas took out nearly 70% of the WORLDWIDE supply of the primary component that most folks have used to make LSD, ergotomine tartrate. I wish it was just propaganda, but I assure you that in this case it is not. The world is not as dry as it is on that one because people aren't interested, I assure you. In fact, I'll even go so far as to bet that the next time you see a hit aod acid around, it'll probably cost significantly more than the $5 you were used to paying back in the day, should you ever run into such a thing.

Like the article said: never bet against a comeback.

Ape

[wheezer]

I've also read somewhere that at least the US acid supply was in the hands of two or three individuals only - in fact I believe I read that on PBSes site...

[djerome]

Originally posted by pongoid
@djerome: I hate to break it you, and I shan't go to far into it, but I can tell you for a fact that the one big bust of the two fellas in the silo in Kansas took out nearly 70% of the WORLDWIDE supply of the primary component that most folks have used to make LSD, ergotomine tartrate. I wish it was just propaganda, but I assure you that in this case it is not. The world is not as dry as it is on that one because people aren't interested, I assure you. In fact, I'll even go so far as to bet that the next time you see a hit aod acid around, it'll probably cost significantly more than the $5 you were used to paying back in the day, should you ever run into such a thing.

Like the article said: never bet against a comeback.

Ape

okay-- ill take your word. and i have seen other articles that state lsd availability is down for teenagers. but that article only notes (and fails to mention) that drug use hospitalizations is significantly down on all the club drugs (ghb, ketamine mdma), not as much as lsd, but still quite down. and teenagers interests in them have been significantly decreased as well in the last few years, while their avaiilability is not as much a problem as lsd. the lsd supply may have much to do with making its popularity as low as it is but i would be careful to not attribute other factors as well. anyway--

[pongoid]

For a long time LSD was a HUGE influence upon the world, its music, its creativity. Frankly I've seen more folks in old age frying out on acid than on E by FAR. While E has had a pretty tremendous impact on how we experience music, especially dance music at parties, I'd say that LSD has had a far greater impact, both on the composers and the listeners ways in which they experience that. Of course the hospitals are reporting less usage of most drugs. It's least in part because kids are wisening up to the fact that telling a hospital you're high only makes your life more difficult. Half the time they treat you with the wrong shit for it anyhow. Don't laugh, it's true. There's an outfit called DAWN. I'm not sure exactly what the acronymn is for, but they are the ones that report the drug usage statistics to the DEA, along with the names and information of each and every user. People are becoming more aware of this and keeping their mouths shut. LSD usage has fallen in popularity. You ask ANYBODY you know who has tripped if they'd want a hit if it came around. No less of them would say "No thanks, I don't do that anymore" than if it was rampant, in fact, just the opposite. More would say "Hell yeah!!!, I haven't done that shit in ages. I'm WAY overdue!". It's because it's not around, not because peoples' attitudes toward acid have turn disapproving of it.

Personally, I think more people trippin their tits off would improve this planet, and wake a few more folks, especially younger ones up to the shit that is going on and make them realize they have more power than just to obey the TV and believe the lies. I think old psychonauts would be happeir munching some good acid than E too. Still, old folks on E is cool.

Just thinking about it, I remember this old fellow named Bob that used to hang out at a coffee house I used to chill at WAYY back in the day, when I first started going to parties. I brought him to this huge party in Mass. called Yellow. It was pretty legendary on the East Coast. Anyway, he had to be in his 50's at least, and he wanted to get zotzed on E so we got him a tab, and he said he wasn't getting off, so the fellow he talked to was really cool, and passed him a second. One never knows when they might have a bunk hit, right? So after the second one, Bob's BLASTED, gurning out, and gettin down, and runs up to me sayin "Oh yeah, it's workin now! I could tell it started workin when my dick got hard!" I patted him on the back and pointed him toward the dance floor, then went back and smoked about 1/4 ounce of really good herb, pretty blasted myself, and dancing with Lady Miss Kier (frim D-Lite). While thinking about Bob in that state creeped me out at first, I got pretty comfortable with the age thing, and decided it was cool seein older folks still gettin their groove on, even through all the shit that life has thrown at them over the years.

Ape

[Loz]

e is a fun evening, it's a party drug, you're right as reign in the morning, and can carry on with normal life

lsd, and I know it is a cliché, but sue me, lsd it a life-changer. I know so many people who've had their eyes opened by acid, seeing things in different ways, ways that they then take back with them when they're straight again.

the problem with acid is that a good acid trip can last days, and not a lot of people want to invest that sort of time into a drug experience. I think a lot of younger people are scared of 'tripping off', hearing stories of bad trips and flashbacks. Alcohol and e is a lot 'safer'

[Sheridan]

lsd never changed my life or perception as such. I just had cool visuals. mentally expanding? maybe, but not as mentally expanding as a good book.

[Loz]

I don't know.. one trip I had explained the entire universe to me, in an equation as simple as life=love. I can't remember most of it, but the feeling is still there.

I think it helped me discover at an early age that if you are nice to people, they are nice to other people, and so on and so forth, until the whole world is nice to each other. It's a battle I fight for daily.

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by Loz
It's a battle I fight for daily.

same here man. as I am naturally a rather negative and pesimistic person.

[Loz]

but you see, if I was nice to you, did something that I didn't have to to help you, even if it's something minor, like picking up something you've dropped, or opening a door for you, you get put in a nicer state of mind, and therefore more likely to do something for someone else.

[Sheridan]

that is true. and I have experienced that. but then I'll see something I don't like or that bothers me and then I am back into that negative space. I am trying to adjust that though by removing negative things from life. and hopefully that will give me a solid base. first thing that went was cigarettes as I've just quit.

[Loz]

cigarettes do make you irritable. My friend Henry stopped smoking last year, and withing weeks everyone noticed how much a nicer person he suddenly way

[Sheridan]

I am feeling less anxious and just out of balance. I have been working out as well which is a great release of negative energy.
I have been taking brazilian jiu-jitsu and it is the best thing I have done for myself in a long time. great workout.

loz, do you realize that we keep on batting back on forth on two threads. made me chuckle.

[Loz]

yes

the internet is great, you can have two in depth conversations with the same person at once.. brilliant

[oolong]

i've never even seen someone over 35 taking the e

as someone mentioned earlier though i do know people in their 60s even 70s who do acid and marijuana on a regular basis on account of reaching early adulthood during the 1960s-1970s when psychedelic drug use started really getting mainstream

[Dave Neurotica]

Originally posted by karitek
, . hell, even my friends and i were dancing on the bar and tables at our local on tuesday night.



Ha no change there then Kari!

A friend of mine's Dad, who's an old american beatnik dude, came out to a rave on his 70th birthday. He wanted to pop a pill, which were then about £20 and a lot stronger. (Going back to '91) He enjoyed the whole experience, but didn't think it kicked-ass like acid. He's still enjoying his weed at 84 years old.

I'm shortly heading to the cheapest place in the world for e's. 3 for £5 is the norm in Cornwall. I always used to take a few down there but its like taking sand to the arabs these days.

Mind you you know the saying 'you get what you pay for...'

[goone]

acids great
i wish there was more around
its rock hard to get in dublin now

[Mirsha]

There is a guy kicking about Edinburgh who's about 43 who's still taking everything under the sun and caning it all the time.

[FredDibnah]

My goodness what a thread - lovely fun - acieeeeeed man!

[Paddy]

had a few nights out with my old man and my significant others' folks, pissed, drugs etc, guess they're the oldest people i know that do it on occasion.

[Dave Neurotica]

Originally posted by Mirsha
There is a guy kicking about Edinburgh who's about 43 who's still taking everything under the sun and caning it all the time.

43? Forty threeeeee? Outrageous. You say 'about 43'. He could be 44, or even 45? That would be beyond the pale...

[djerome]

http://www.thestever.net/djerome/adventuresofsamandsav.html