15 Anomalies Surrounding the Death Of Nick Berg

[anarchosyn]

http://www.rense.com/general52/anom.htm

Very interesting read. I have yet to watch the video, as I have no desire for such, but maybe some of you can confirm this.

//edit: Humm.. seems this person isn't alone:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477


The video of the killing has many flaws including problems with time skips, audio dubbing, and the characteristics, appearance and speech of Berg and the killers. People from Middle Eastern cultures believe that Middle Eastern people were not involved in this video, based on the mannerisms, accents, behavior and appearance of the killers. A close inspection of the video suggests that Westerners may have been involved.

[Loz]

I dunno.. this whole thing strikes me very similar to the "US faked the September 11th plane crashes" conspiracy.

you have to ask yourself, WHY would westerners kill or fake the killing of a contractor, when all it seems to be doing is frightening contractors away from working in Iraq?

[anarchosyn]

I dunno, why would the Joint Chief of Staff sign in a plan to attack US cities to engender support for a war against cuba in the 1960s? (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html)

My reason is not to supply answers, but to point towards worthwhile questions. Read those links and debate their issues, not their conclusions (which I personally dismiss myself).

[Loz]

Originally posted by anarchosyn
I dunno, why would the Joint Chief of Staff sign in a plan to attack US cities to engender support for a war against cuba in the 1960s? (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html)

support for a war against cuba was not particularly forthcoming, whereas there is still massively widespread support in the US for the war in Iraq, and the war against Al-Qaeda.

I see your point about not providing answers, but although I'm a bit confused about the solutions bit.

Anyway, the fact of the matter is, the killing of Nick Berg and the videoing of it did more for the support for Al-Qaeda than it did for the support of the US.

Whether or not it was faked, doesn't really matter any more than whether Osama Bin Laden was behind September 11th (which I've yet to hear solid proof of), what matters is that these events have changed the world into something that we simply have no hope of changing back. And I guess that's what the players all wanted.

[mlexicon]

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[mlexicon]

if you wanted to, you could write up a story that Saddam hussein was living in your asshole for a week, and rense would probably put it up.

[Orang Utan]

I think it is well fishy and I am no conspiracy theorist - why is Berg in an orange US issue prison suit for a start?
The circumstances around his disappearance in Iraq are suspicious too

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by mlexicon
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True, but if you look around the net there are others saying this (as well their would have to be, since I doubt any of the Rense.com workers have a firm grasp of arabic or have connections in the middle east - could be wrong on that assumption though).

These people are simply reiterating data that is coming from other sources. I'm looking for something a little more solid, but these anomalies are present to a degree (i.e. the ring, accents, etc) and to others they can be dismissed (weight, etc).

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by mlexicon
if you wanted to, you could write up a story that Saddam hussein was living in your asshole for a week, and rense would probably put it up.

Again true, but the article wouldn't hold much weight without issues of evidence. In that article, they present 15 - yet none of the detractors in this thread have referenced one.

Attack it on its merits (i.e. the points it brings up), not on issues of who is hosting it.

[Loz]

Originally posted by Orang Utan
I think it is well fishy and I am no conspiracy theorist - why is Berg in an orange US issue prison suit for a start?

I think it's the killers' grasp of irony

[drop]

the death of mr. berg is a weird one.
he was supposedly in US/Iraqi police custody for a period of time,
the FBI went to visit him 3 times, "to make sure his living conditions were fine" (since when is this the job of the FBI) , he was released, and then disappered.

did ya'll know that mr. berg also spent time in africa repairing radio towers, for someone who doesn't work for anyone he sure does have good connections for getting work in problem areas.

1. berg was a solider of fortune
2. berg was working for the CIA
3. berg was a poor old radio tower repairman who ran out of luck

[wheezer]

right after bergs death there were articles quoting his parents saying that they thought this was well fishy too, it seems they had gotten a lot of really contradictory information from nick in form of letters before his demise.

I had pretty much written him off as one of the many security contractors, figured his death was just very fortunate for the us government.

[pille'ocheoni]

i dont know

[anarchosyn]

Originally posted by wheezer

I had pretty much written him off as one of the many security contractors, figured his death was just very fortunate for the us government.


He wasn't a security contractor, he was just a 26 year old kid working telecommunications. He had NO affiliation with any groups in Iraq. He went over there just like you or I could, on our own with our own money. He was following the "free market economy", but ultimately couldn't find work (ironic, it took Iraqis to install the original communication systems, but it takes white kids from america to repair them.. sure glad those iraqis don't want any jobs, lazy heathens).

The state department should share in the blame for LETTING him go over there in the first place. This is a war zone, for goddess sake.

Keep in mind "security contractor" literally just means "mercenary".. it only sounds better (i.e. they are contracted to use weapons and provide security).

[stitchey]

so, 'anarchobot', you're 'drop', 'garew' and that whole other set of sickening neo-con pseudo-thinktank blooipers ("wherever" "they" live...), riffing on a bottle of lukewarm media-water? judging from your diction, i'd say so... if i could send your posts through a frequency-spectrum-analyzer the way i'd compare "mr. berg"'s 'scream' with some random video-footage of him living a previous life according to the gospel of dv, i'd be happy to cut you a break, for now, dude. hear me?

[garew]

Hey, fuck you man! All because he doesn't believe some conspiracy theory? It could be true, but it might not be true. All information is in question, if you ask me. Especially your opinion.

[garew]

I guess it boils down to, yeah I know the USA is run by a bunch of greedy bastards, and probably up to some deviant shit, but I'll be damned if I'm having a European point their blood drenched finger at me. Unless you have a knee jerk hatred for the US you are deemed a neo conservative. Well, I live here. So, I'm not going to have a knee jerk hatred for my country. I want changes, but I am not going to be preached to by an Englishman, Frenchman, and or German. Thanks

[wheezer]

He wasn't a security contractor, he was just a 26 year old kid working telecommunications. He had NO affiliation with any groups in Iraq. He went over there just like you or I could, on our own with our own money. He was following the "free market economy", but ultimately couldn't find work (ironic, it took Iraqis to install the original communication systems, but it takes white kids from america to repair them.. sure glad those iraqis don't want any jobs, lazy heathens).

The state department should share in the blame for LETTING him go over there in the first place. This is a war zone, for goddess sake.

Well Nick Berg certainly wasn't the only one coming to Iraq during war times looking to make some bucks, and this practice is hardly anything new nor can an army prevent people from entering a warzone, it's strategically unsound to invest that much resources in keeping people out when the vast majority will keep out anyway.

The reason why I bring up the "security contractor" angle is because in one of the articles I read it was made apparent that he had indeed done this before in several other countries, now personally I'd think most people that enter warzones looking to make cash do it once and try to "do it right", not 2-3 times.

Obviously I have no proof whatsoever, it's just a theory that came to my mind.

Keep in mind "security contractor" literally just means "mercenary".. it only sounds better (i.e. they are contracted to use weapons and provide security). [/B]

Yeah I know what the euphemism stands for.

[anarchosyn]

wheezer -

My bad, mate. Didn't mean to come off all cocky and condescendy to ya. Didn't realize you were promoting an "angle".. :)

I never knew he did security contracting, but I did hear he built homes in africa for a few years. You sure about that fact? I'd be interested in learning more.

[Ubik]

Sincerly I think that is possible that berg wasn' t killed by iraqi.
A part of all the things that we are reading in many indipendent media, it' s very strange that his dead has come in perfect time to move away the attention of the world away from the atrocity that cia and pentagon have planned to have informations from taleban and iraqui prisoners.

below another interesting link:
http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

[anarchosyn]

The bit that swayed me to post this thread was the lack of blood reference, which I'll assume is true since I haven't watched the video.

I always thought it sounded weird that he was beheaded with a knife, and not a sword or something with a larger blade. I dismissed it, but now I'm reading from others how the cut doesn't reflect the weapon.

I dunno. I'm not 100% sold, of course.. but this is an interesting development.

Was his head found? I know his body was, or what we assume was his body.


Regarding your link, ubik, I'm suspicious of anyone that would make such a large leap as to say it was specifically Abu Ghraib where it was filmed.

They make some interesting points, but it's all far from definitive. The statement about the wall color seems a bit odd seeing as how Abu Ghraib wasn't built by us, but was an iraqi installation. One could presume other iraqi buildings would have similar design elements.

[Loz]

Nick Berg's beheaded body was discovered on the side of a road a few hours after this video surfaced. No one has stated whether or not his head was with it.

[Ubik]

Originally posted by anarchosyn

They make some interesting points, but it's all far from definitive. The statement about the wall color seems a bit odd seeing as how Abu Ghraib wasn't built by us, but was an iraqi installation. One could presume other iraqi buildings would have similar design elements.



for me is also strange the "chair situation", i' ve seen many chairs like that one all over the world.....

[wheezer]

Originally posted by anarchosyn
wheezer -

My bad, mate. Didn't mean to come off all cocky and condescendy to ya. Didn't realize you were promoting an "angle".. :)

I never knew he did security contracting, but I did hear he built homes in africa for a few years. You sure about that fact? I'd be interested in learning more.

Naw like I said it's definitely not (proven) fact, it's something that I had creeping around in the convoluted abcesses of my mind, thanks to the justification I posted above... now as I reread, by "done this" in my previous post I mean that he had been quoted as having been active in various African countries.

Oh and no worries 'bout the cocky/condescending bit, you've obviously never discussed politics with my father :)