liveset or not ?

[tsr_tomas]

if i had a laptop, one chaospad and a vocodermachine... would anybody call it a good live-set or would it be a lame version of the realthing ?

[amble]

i'd say it depends what you're going to do with that source material.

what is the "real thing" anyway?

[Django]

when it rocks, who cares...

and tsr rocks ;)

[tsr_tomas]

amble: i´m going to play live... and i´m going to have Fomben singing "i´m the discodancer" live.

and the realthing is... ehh i don´t really know, maybe it´s with samplers, mixerboards and synths everywhere on stages...

Django: aah thanx, i´m going to make some live act´s very soon if i get my hands on a laptop... cause the vocoder, mic´s, synth´s and material is already there...

*kisses to both of you*

[lo.max]

sure it is a special feeling to have lots of hardware and thousands of buttons, but isn´t it impressing too to make the fattest sound just with a small thing like a laptop is? kind of reduced to the max?? i´m really asking myself too :)

[tsr_tomas]

lo.max: we are thinking just the same thing. or are we ?!?!??! buhu huhuhu hu =)

[c s]

Originally posted by lo.max
isn´t it impressing too to make the fattest sound just with a small thing like a laptop is? kind of reduced to the max?

that's exactly what i like about playing live with a laptop. i also understand some people want to see more action. but i think you can either concentrate and adjust the sounds which looks not so interesting to the audience - or go mad, i'd perhaps like to do this with drumpads, microphone, but then you either need finished music coming from tape or cd-r or 4-6 arms i think.

[invisibledan]

hello, i'm interested to know that when people play live with a lap top, generally, are the tracks completely arranged, and only sound manipulation takes place "live" or is it both.
i'm sure most people are different, but i'm curious to see what others do.
my (musical) partner and myself play live with a hardware sequencer and sampler each, and make complete arrangements and full on sound manipulation from beats etc we have programmed previously, and if we weren't to touch the equipment for a short while, the music wouldn't change i.e. we are making everything happen live.
please dont take this the wrong way, i'm not trying to say we're more live than you, because if there are ways of doing it like this with a lap top, i would love to know, as i sometimes use logic, but dont see how i can make arrangments live as easily as with a hardware sequencer...basically i can hit several mute buttons at a time on hardware, but not on software
again i am genuinely interested as i see any new techniques/thinking gained can only make ones performance better
many thanks
dan

[Loz]

you have at least 100 buttons on a laptop, which is more than enough for a sequencer type application.

From seeing Squarepusher live a couple of weeks ago, using just a laptop and nothing else (apart from occasionally shouting into a nearby microphone) it was absolutely fantastic. All about the music, since there was no stage show.

[namshub]

even when i draG my fulll studio out to play "live" i still feel like i'm fakin it... i guess there's no bettter feelin than actually gettin out there and playin yr parts 'live', not just tweekin tha parameters of yr gear -which is essentially live electronica... essentially i'm really into electronik music for tha sound, i really don't go for a performance, if i want that i go check sum horrendous death metal band and go gaga at the incredible dexterity of the players. although coldcut and others have really transformed my interpretation of live electronic performance. i really don't care whether its a full studio. laptop or kazoo band on stage as long as it rox my booty and/or brain... i must admit tho - there is nothin quite as uninspiring as crap musik blurted from a geek wif a lappy. my2c.

[brainard]

great to hear this.

tsr live!!!

[020200]

as long i make electronic music i've searched for the best compact gear. i never liked it to do all the cable action or struck on MIDI problems all the time. so i searched for the best full compact gear. and there is nothing better than a laptop! less weight, more power. and the ability to 100% customize your musical instrument. such things like reaktor and ableton live are pure enlightment. i will play my first live set in some days (i u wanna see me, come around! clausthal, germany, saturday, http://www.ghettofusion.de). i will do everything in reaktor only using a mouse and the QWERTZ-keys. i like that thing. i like it when the computer automates the sound and the musician only tweak the parameters to "force" the sound in one direction. i'm thinking of playing live not in doodling some tracks i made before, but more like an "open-source-live-lab" where open minded people can watch, listen und enjoy.

greetings

martin

[Magnumforce]

from you Thomas...hm ;)

for a good live act you can go by my text book example last time was in Sweden....

1 bottle of lager and a jack lead.

[tsr_tomas]

thanx for all your tip´s boys and girls.

has few probably know i´m using mostly "buzz"... and there´s pretty much you can change´s live and program live for the sequenser. plus theres alot of filter i can changeslive...
if i would play live, i would have buzz on the computer and a chaospad on the side, fomben on the vocals, a vocoder, a distl and some synths and suprieses...

cheers to all of you *luv*

[old skool]

I normally find that a good live act consists of 2 blokes with ponytails each standing behind a keyboard, and a blonde bird with hardly any clothes on is singing away at the front. Oh and one of those green lasers placed at the back firing out to the front.

Always does the trick.

I have a feeling I may have watched far too much early 90's Top Of The Pops though .... damn those early rave tunes ....

[tsr_tomas]

old school: sorry to diapoint you. but there will only be a phat dude called fomben on stages with a t-shirt that says "in lard we trust"...

but that sounds more like the fatboy´s from the 80´s =)

[old skool]

What no dancers ???

If you need someone to do a pointy-finger dance wearing a spangly boob tube, I'm yer man.

[old skool]

Actually fuck all that and just have a big smile on yer face and dance around while you're doing what ya doing.

There's far too many miserable bastards in techno !!

[tsr_tomas]

old school:
yeah that sounds like a good idé... in reserv if the computer crashes i will always have my trashcan, hammer and guitarr to play with...

i call you when the time is right for your boob job then.

[old skool]

No boob job needed ... they're so pert you can hang your coat on em ....

:-))

[thetonewrecker]

I generally "judge" how "live" a live set is by what would happen if the performer walked away from the gear. Is the song going to progress and change as the "phantom" arranger plays his lil' electric orchestra, or will it just sit repeating at some "locked" interval whether it's one beat, or multiple measures. I see little difference between letting a pre-recorded Dat/Cd play and having a whole set layed out to play back off your computer on-stage. If the crowd isn't digging what you are playin (or hell even you aren't into it for some reason), can you easily jump out of that stuff and get into a new track/groove.

Since it seems most of us making tracks/playing out are lone one man bands, you need to find a working situation that is comfortable for you to be able to manipulate your equipment in a manner fitting the style music you make.

Speaking from my own experience, I've never dj'd and have only played live pa's with my studio gear for the last 10 years when someone has invited to their club/party. My setup has changed greatly since I don't have the luxury of having separate gear for playing out from what's in my studio. So as stuff breaks (fuckin' airlines), or gets the thumbs down from myself as not a choice piece of kit for the road, I shift it all around. No more full sized keyboards, all rack gear and modules with their own internal sequencers...smaller mixing boards and varied effects. I have a laptop now too, synced to my MPC2000xl and running Ableton Live as a way to drop various lil' pieces in and out of the mix on the fly. I think of it as my 3rd deck. Elektron Machinedrum and MPC/nord2 combo make up the other two decks. Everything runs in pattern mode only all synced up for clock and there you go. create and destroy.

..any sort of modular program on the laptops that allows you to create your own working enviroment gets the thumbs up from me. Reaktor..sometimes the program leaves me speechless. It's nice to sit on the plane and make some funked up sounds that you're going to play that evening...

sorry to keep babbling... just challenge yourself when you're playing out and don't worry about perfection as much as the funk.

[020200]

thanks thetonewrecker pal for wise words!

i will keep it in mind!

[arar]

My tracks would be 1.Live!, 2.making waves, 3.a record deck plus 3and a bit. kaoos pad...its a wobbly sey up for wonky music..

Check out Creme de Menthe live

Dr Tentacle Live

at the soundhaus Glasgow Friday 19th July ,

[arar]

the music would go out of time within 2secs to two minutes (i dont use midi), it would just stop within 3 or 4 seconds to three to four minutes, it would get boring withing two or three minutes, and the levels would go all over the place If I wasnt there to tend to them...so pretty serious really

[tsr_tomas]

old school:
thanx for your body description... would any crossdress clothing be payed by me or do you have that to ?

[old skool]

I'll have a rummage around my girlfriends wardrobe and get back to ya mate .... I'm sure she's wore that spangly boob tube recently ....

[tsr_tomas]

old school:

that sounds exellent, see you at the gig then =)

[sacul]

i'll call it "minimal"

[020200]

Originally posted by 020200
i will play my first live set in some days. i will do everything in reaktor only using a mouse and the QWERTZ-keys. i like that thing. i like it when the computer automates the sound and the musician only tweak the parameters to "force" the sound in one direction. i'm thinking of playing live not in doodling some tracks i made before, but more like an "open-source-live-lab" where open minded people can watch, listen und enjoy.


yeah. i'm finnaly loaded the liveset up. i wanted to do a mini homepage as well, but i haven't the guts to mess with the pictures until now.

I have the complete liveset in this directory ['] (http://ftp.no.scene.org/scene.org/music/groups/2063music/020200/events/020720/) and compiled some of the parts as a liveset ep. apart from that i can recommend the DJ-set from [in]anace. very fine, smooth, tekky, sunshine-set with crispy and straight beats.