super_collider/jamie lidell in the wire

[audiofelch]

this months wire has some nice things to say about jamie lidell:

he' s featured in the cover article: "60 singers that break the mould" alongside a variety of greats:

"Super_collider
Radianations on the rise.

From deep in the trachea via the tongue, teeth and lips, words processed via Jamie Lidell's upper body are transmuted into impossibly huge utterances, fusing, at the instant of their birth, with liberally applied technical enhancements. Lidell, singer in the duo Super-collider, in which he's partnered with techno producer Cristian Vogel, has yet to laying down an acurate fascimile of the breathtakingly daring, manic and soulful live performances he' sbeen turining in over the past 12 months, but great things can be expected of his forthcoming solo chrome on Warp. Alone, he can drip paint entire tracks from nothing: sampling layers of voice in place of every instrument, from rhythm to noise, until in a few seconds there's a seething backing track sculpted right under your ears. This S_C cyberballad steers a crash dive through his luxuriant larynx, with its varispeed whispers of prince, sly, Bryan Ferry .....(??!!).. dancing around his own uniquely perverse impery. A wizard, a true star"



how cool!


and also a great review of him at the London Sinfonietta show in coventry....

[Lady E]

thanks for typing that in for me audiofelch! saved me a job.

[audiofelch]

a pleasure! made me look really busy at work...
really good to see S_C and jamie get more much deserved recognition...

[Lady E]

i was very pleased to see it when i got my copy delivered this morning - i really hoped that they'd include S_C as part of their song feature, i think they really deserve to be in that illustrious company.

[audiofelch]

ive been waiting on an article like this for so long.. i find the whole area deconstructed songs and singers who subvert and play with conventions and really stretch the tradition really exciting .. even more than more purely abstract "experimental" stuff... peversly i often find alot of people into wierder stuff really dont get or like singing .. like its a dead form or something.. like its really easy to do, or indulgent... which i find baffling...
friends of mine can listen to mego records or breakcore or whatever other mindbending sounds,
but when theyre put in front of diamanda galas or patti waters at their most hysterical, or even jamie when hes at his most deranged .. they just think its over the top or needlessly stupid..



its cool to see a whole bunch of stuff ive been intensivly tracking down and obsessing over for years in there...


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[wheezer]

Originally posted by audiofelch or breakcore or whatever other mindbending sounds,
but when theyre put in front of diamanda galas or patti waters at their most hysterical, or even jamie when hes at his most deranged .. they just think its over the top or needlessly stupid..[/B]

I figure genres like breakcore are so prolific because they take the piss out of gangsta hiphop and other frowned-upon genres regularly - since it's not cool to admit you like some us top-10 smashhit, while the obscure 7" remix you and your two nonexistant friends own ensures coolness through obscurity without having to actually admit you're into anything pop.

[audiofelch]

totally agree.... its often quite cynical.. i mean, fair enough some stuff needs to have the piss ripped out of it or subverted .. and i love loads of plunderphonic mashup stuff.. but its sometimes a bit hollow... and tho no-one would admit it..the best bits are often the hooks ripped fromt he original pop songs or whatever...
like any remixes tho, the best stuff takes a latent quality in the track and brings it to the fore.. or recontextualizes the track bringing a different meaning to it.. like that really good DJ rupture mix: "the minesweeper suite"... i love that, and its turned me ontolots of the original tracks...
i guess i like the stuff that is born out of people not wanting to subscribe to mainstream values.. but instead of just responding with sarcasm , taking those populist elements and making it their own...: ie... mashing the fuck out of it with your favourite breaks and actually making a decent track beyond the 'joke' value...

as for the cult of the obscure 12"/hipper-than-thou thing.... yep, i know ALOT of people like that...
im not really sure if they are actually into the music that much.. but instead want to be in some strange masonic gang.. music becomes more of a fashion accessory... which is a bit boring... musak for aspiring hipsters....

[Loz]

Originally posted by audiofelch
peversly i often find alot of people into wierder stuff really dont get or like singing .. like its a dead form or something.. like its really easy to do, or indulgent... which i find baffling...
friends of mine can listen to mego records or breakcore or whatever other mindbending sounds,
but when theyre put in front of diamanda galas or patti waters at their most hysterical, or even jamie when hes at his most deranged .. they just think its over the top or needlessly stupid..
..

An awful lot of people standing at the front of the stage during Jamie's set at the Monster Warp Halloween Party at the Coronet screaming "fucking pop singer" at him spring to mind.

Mindless drones, I fail to see how you cannot see that Jamie is doing something far more exciting on stage that Mr Richard D. James was doing, and far, far funkier.

[emef]

fucking hell loz, did that really happen? i find that quite shocking.
i haven`t been to a warp event for over 10 years but always imagine them to be the most open minded of events

[Loz]

Yeah, it's true. I spoke to a fair few people before the music started, and the conversations all went something like this...

Me: I can't wait to see Jamie Lidell, he's fucking amazing. Never seen him live before, but I've been told he's mindblowing.
Them: Never heard of him. I'm here to see Aphex Twin.

The amount of AFX tshirts out there.. was quite horrifying.

I like Aphex Twin, I own the albums, the EPs, and even the odd single, but Aphex Twin fans.. well, they seem to fall into two catagories:

1. Normal, music fans, like a lot of stuff, open minded, cool people.
2. Like Aphex Twin because he's 'hip' The sound destruction is anarchistic, so therefore cool, especially as you can't dance to a lot of his songs. Their favourite AFX song is usually Windowlicker, Come To Daddy, or On. Think RDJ is God. But probably don't like or understand SAWV2.

Catagory 2 also don't really like anything that doesn't sound anything like AFX, so they'll like Squarepusher, Plaid, the usual Warp fodder. Don't like Jamie, it's too 'out there' without being 'out there' in a Richard D. James kind of way.

Fans of Radiohead, Tool and Nine Inch Nails fall into similar catagories.

[Daddys Girl]

Originally posted by audiofelch
This S_C cyberballad steers a crash dive through his luxuriant larynx, with its varispeed whispers of prince, sly, Bryan Ferry .....(??!!).. dancing around his own uniquely perverse impery. A wizard, a true star

:) Excellent - I like that.

D_G ;o)

[CV]

"A wizard, a true star"

if jamies a wizard , does that make me a gnome?
maybe i should start singing to raise my battle points and get to elf.

[scott confusion]

I was speaking to a workmate who was telling me when jamie lidell played the art school (glasgow) people were hitting him with bottles of water because he took to long to play.
Shocking!

[emef]

crikey, thats so rude, it might be time to start a 'musicians with tazers' club and get some proper audience participation going

[eclairfi]

Originally posted by cristian
"A wizard, a true star"

if jamies a wizard , does that make me a gnome?
maybe i should start singing to raise my battle points and get to elf.

you should kill more wyrms and monsters to build up experience and sell a few dwarvish crafting materials : )

[audiofelch]

Originally posted by Loz


An awful lot of people standing at the front of the stage during Jamie's set at the Monster Warp Halloween Party at the Coronet screaming "fucking pop singer" at him spring to mind.

Mindless drones, I fail to see how you cannot see that Jamie is doing something far more exciting on stage that Mr Richard D. James was doing, and far, far funkier.



yeah i heard similar comments,...

fucking depressing..

and although that night was one of the few times ive actually enjoyed afex live ( i was in a masochistic mood for loud agressive incessant painful noise)... give me a luke vibert jungle dj set over his funkless excercises in endurance any time....

[wheezer]

yeah glad you brought up dj/rupture - I haven't listened to that mix but listened to one by him called "gold teeth thief", and the most memorable track was a hiphop track called chickenheads - as the title suggests this was one of those master p lowest common demoninator tracks but damn it worked for me :)

I quite like a lot of the breakcore hiphop reworks too, just often find myself hunting after the reworked originals sooner or later. Certainly I fully expect to see breakcore versions of pretty much any charted hiphop/r&b track to continue to come out for some time.

As for the twin and his tedious dj sets - methinks that if I were in his shoes I'd often end up doing the same thing, just playing music I like or even music I think is shit to have a laugh - it's the good old emporer's new clothes effect, innit.

Originally posted by audiofelch
totally agree.... its often quite cynical.. i mean, fair enough some stuff needs to have the piss ripped out of it or subverted .. and i love loads of plunderphonic mashup stuff.. but its sometimes a bit hollow... and tho no-one would admit it..the best bits are often the hooks ripped fromt he original pop songs or whatever...
like any remixes tho, the best stuff takes a latent quality in the track and brings it to the fore.. or recontextualizes the track bringing a different meaning to it.. like that really good DJ rupture mix: "the minesweeper suite"... i love that, and its turned me ontolots of the original tracks...
i guess i like the stuff that is born out of people not wanting to subscribe to mainstream values.. but instead of just responding with sarcasm , taking those populist elements and making it their own...: ie... mashing the fuck out of it with your favourite breaks and actually making a decent track beyond the 'joke' value...

as for the cult of the obscure 12"/hipper-than-thou thing.... yep, i know ALOT of people like that...
im not really sure if they are actually into the music that much.. but instead want to be in some strange masonic gang.. music becomes more of a fashion accessory... which is a bit boring... musak for aspiring hipsters....

[Hagbard]

Well that is bad that people shouted that... but its not all bad, people were screaming for MORE! at the recent Cargo gig, and the bootleg of the Sinfonietta gig on soulseek is swamped by people cconstantly cheering.

[audiofelch]

oohh.. a bootleg of the sinfoniatta gig... who's got it?....

dont forget.. lidell on radio 3.. mixing it this friday nite!

right im off to slsk..


..re: cargo... yeah.. that was a ledgendary gig atmosphere...

[zombie ritual]

Originally posted by audiofelch




loud agressive incessant painful noise

Hey, that sounds teasing

[FiST]

Originally posted by scott confusion
I was speaking to a workmate who was telling me when jamie lidell played the art school (glasgow) people were hitting him with bottles of water because he took to long to play.
Shocking!

can't remember that happening, people were leaving/ going downstairs because the brand new p.a. that had been installed that day failled to work for his live act for ages.

it was fooking tops tho when he got it going.