German - Techno - Dj-Hitler - Es spricht der Führer

[c s]

doing a p2p search for some more decent 3rd reich documentaries this mp3 showed up in search results. of course i couldn't resist getting it to find out what it really is... a cool satire? or real nazi rave? the result was most confusing. it's indeed hitler speech samples on top of a beginner's result with a happy rave sound construction kit. it's so crappy that i still wonder if it's satirical... well, probably not... maybe it was really done by some nazi kid who thinks this is good propaganda... disturbing.

[Loz]

http://www.dvfilm.com/stills/titler.jpg

http://www.dvfilm.com/titler.htm

[c s]

well, hitler himself is actually ridiculous enough... i can't understand how people took him seriously, he didn't even look like the ideals he proclamated - people should've noticed that. perhaps it was his techno marches.

[humeka]

ooh, that smells bad ! especially cause the gabba scene's bending a bit too much towards facist ideas, no ?

[FiST]

i met a dj from edinburgh a couple of weeks ago called Adolf Gadifi, nice guy...fascist tunes tho.

[jukka]

we (me and my mates) where often joking about some kind of "nazi-techno", but seeing its really out there is a bit shocking.

come on...i mean the whole meaning of techno/rave isn't about hating/wanting to kill others !

happyhardcorenazitranceneorave ......pfff...fuck em all !

[iain c]

has anyone heard of the german industrial /tech outfit in the early 80's called liabach ?,they were sort of dressed in what could be discribed as hitler youth on drugs,i remember that they got into a lot of #### just because of the way they dressed ,and probably because they themselfs were german also.

[stinkfinger]

yeah, those guys are crazy, they had their own little world and ther music rocked..lol

[iain c]

yeah i remember their look which i found a bit dodgy but i havent really heard their stuff ,was it a bit like front 242,or test dept?

[jukka]

does anyone have a pic related to that look ??

[iain c]

do ye mean a personal picture or of the band themselfs?

[jukka]

a personal picture, not the band !

[iain c]

sorry cant help ye there jukka mate

[wheezer]

laibach aren't german, they're slovenian. they had some new stuff out last year, there was a thread on that here as well!

[jukka]

i know about laibach, i was just interested in a pic of that "they were sort of dressed in what could be discribed as hitler youth on drugs" look..

[V Knid esq]

Hitler was a rave MC. Apparently he learned his stagecraft from watching stand-up comedians.

Gabba has always had right-wing connections, hasn't it? Especially the Ajax fan wing of it?

[wheezer]

@jukka

I think I know what he's talking about, some 80ies/90ies releases like their version of "sympathy for the devil" had that whole look in terms of design, and I remember seeing some pretty scary videos, but I think it was more about fascism in general rather than nazis in particular...

[wheezer]

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~peterc/b/nsk3.jpg

ok that one was more germanic than I had remembered...

[wheezer]

http://lombik.refresh.hu/images/laibach.gif
http://www.cyberware.fi/shop/covers/laibach.jpg

[jukka]

yeee,
mr. wheezer searchmachine, can you find me a pic of some fans/groupies of them and what they looked like ?
i think that was what iain c was referring to..

[jukka]

aight wheezer i think i got the point now !
no wonder that people who are dressed that way get in trouble.....

[wheezer]

yeah, though they did make a point to replace all the swastikas...

btw I lost your private message in the horrible pm wipeout of '04, hit me up again plz ;)

[c s]

http://www.laibach.org/ is the current site, old pictures perhaps on http://www.laibach.nsk.si/, else do image search

yeah totalitarian allusions were really hip in times of ebm and industrial. there's some brilliant stuff among that kind of music. i think it's hard to deny the fascination of totalitarian symbols, images. in a great documentary i saw about 3rd reich mythology a quote was mentioned from adorno (?): "the democrats would've been victorious over the facists if they had had the stronger images"

in later industrial (90s) it started to become a lame cliché - everybody had nazi/stalin samples over overdriven drumloops and felt soo hard and soo provoking...

[c s]

oh i typed for too long.

[wheezer]

hehe, I figured the resident industrial/ebm expert would have something to say on the topic! I always liked that sympathy... release

[c s]

laibach videos are outstanding - still waiting for a dvd from mute... especially the one in the alps. also i love that image above with the chess table. lol sadly the concert last year was really crap against the great album - polluted with guitars, no real power, too much metal attitude.

[jukka]

for me that kind of provoking is simply a stupid behavour.....

[c s]

Originally posted by wheezer
hehe, I figured the resident industrial/ebm expert would have something to say on the topic!

leave your flowers at my adjutant please... :D

[c s]

Originally posted by jukka
for me that kind of provoking is simply a stupid behavour.....

well, i don't know how old you are - today it's not so fresh anymore i admit - but it was back then. it was about confronting the audience with power making "no comment"...

btw, we haven't yet mentioned the name riefenstahl...

[wheezer]

yeah I mean I considered stuff like that rammstein cover of stripped with the riefenstahl video pretty stupid precisely for those reasons, but the laibach sound was really massive (as in that's how it sounded, not that's how popular it was) back then, so the combination was fitting from many perspectives imho.

[c s]

argh don't mention rammstein to me - they were another example of a band copying an underground style, adding something popular at that time (heavy riffs), get very famous and make a lot of money... very, very clever marketing though - they must be the internationally most popular eastern german band.

[Loz]

let us not forget the true evil in German popular music

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000028AFJ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[wired]

the absolute true evil in german pop music:

http://www.danielkueblboeck.de/

[jukka]

not to forget the puhdys

[Orang Utan]

Hitler was so camp:
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Hitler/images/Bechstein/AH1.jpg

[Orang Utan]

Wish I could find the full-seize version of this, he looks even camper:
http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:-WXYSsyUoB8J:www.skalman.nu/third-

Edit: shit, it didn't work - why won't it let me delete this?

[c s]

i guess it was taken at obersalzberg. :D

[Loz]

edit: nevermind

[Orang Utan]

Cheers - was going to do that but i couldn't be arsed cos I felt I'd made my point!

[actionjetzon]

Originally posted by jukka
not to forget the puhdys


hahaha, the puhdys really rock!
they had the biggest influence on me lol

[wheezer]

could not decide which one of these pictures to post, but let's not forget

http://www.sign4me.de/musik/musik2/heino.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5991/heino1.gif

for more info visit the heino worship page (http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5991/)

[wheezer]

http://www.triad.rr.com/dance/content/images/heino.jpg

you can't make this shit up.

[c s]

he's really a mutant - and he fits into this thread, i read he also sang some german soldier tunes in his earlier days...

[jukka]

afaik he is right winged,but i could be wrong !

anyway he sucks big time !

[c s]

everybody in schlager/volksmusik is right-wing.

[jukka]

except roberto blanko lol

[c s]

nope, he too. supports csu.

[zombie ritual]

I remember seeing Laibach live in 1989. It was a really weird experience. They were mostly doing "Opus Dei" and older stuff. Even then they used a lot of guitars. They had 8mm films of deers which faded into pictures of exploding rockets. I think no one in the audience, which was also a really strange mix of skins, punks and people in "Lodenjacken" (!!!) and unidentifiable kinds really could make anything out of it. The singer was wearing an old WW II-hat of the yugoslavian partisans with a red star on it, the guitarplayer looked like a skinhead in gala uniform. In the middle of the concert a man in Lodenjacke entered the stage and for 2 more songs did nothing but sit on a chair and smoke a cigarette. Then he would occasionally stand up and just scream into the mic while the others were going on with the set. Eventually he and the singer sang an a capella duet in slovenian language....

I think it was one of the most memorable concerts in my whole life.

[c s]

i wish there were dvds of such performances... yeah, the deers also played a big role in some videos... lol