panic attacks

[7875]

been feeling that "cold wash of fear" all over and then am incredibly aware of a racing heart.
anyone else dealing with panic attacks?

[roberta_hood]

yes, sometimes i feel similar...

[philsmum]

your gwtting hit with psytronic weapons. you may have done a lot of acid in the past and become at one with everything. now your tuned in to the global elite. they will prolly get you sectioned, in order to discredit anything you may say. they did that sdhit to me too.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by 7875
been feeling that "cold wash of fear" all over and then am incredibly aware of a racing heart.
anyone else dealing with panic attacks?

I've had them, and quite badly.
If u smoke or drink coffee, i'd recommend lowering consumption, as they both increase heart rate, as do many recreational drugs, which I'd recommend decreasing or stopping whilst you get to the bottom of what is causing the attacks.

I found a herbal remedy for my panic attacks which had valerian in, which I guess were brought on by what i was thinking/dwelling on at the time. But sometimes, the attacks were brought on by some non-specific thing...i'd just be walking down the street, and one would happen, and I couldn't pin it down to a thought.
The valerian based 'Kalm' tablets did help, but I was aware not to take too many, for fear of becoming dependent on them.

Mostly I was panicking, because I was worried about what would happen to my son if I died, being a lone parent...not that I was in ill-health or anything. Once I'd made some arrangements with my sister to look after him should anything happen to me, I began to have fewer attacks, and my fears of death/post-death subsided. I'm quite philosophical about death now, although I remember that during puberty I had some pretty scary panic attacks about dying in my sleep, which I never mentioned to anyone at the time, for fear that they would laugh at me!
I think panic attacks are just one of those things that can happen as you mature.

[love_tempo]

My mother suffered from these quite badly. It can be a symptom of other things, like depression.

Whatever you do don't start taking Xanax (a panic attack medication) as that is very addictive and will make you worse very quickly. Evil corporate licensed narcotic stuff with a huge black market trade :)

[KaOz]

yes

[goone]

be strong serve god only know that if you do beautiful heaven awaits

...MR. Wendal (an intelligent old bum)

thats my advice, i stole it from MR. Wendal

[stinkfinger]

i used to get really bad anxiety attacks eg collapsing in the street thinking i was having a heart attack, not being able to calm down for up to 5 hours and stuff, it was really scarey... at first i thought i was having a nervous breakdown or something, after a while i realised it was down to my (ahem) social endevours, so i had to knock it on the head for a while, but i'm alright now....honest

[goone]

if you do e's
stop

they're bad for you
i should know

[dOn`T dO iT]

I get em, usually in the form of a severe feeling of dread and imminent death ,dizziness and shortness of breath.. 2 years ago i was very ill and ever since i have these attacks when i think it`s happening all over again. People talk lightly of panic attacks but when you have em they are the scurge of your life. fuck.shit.wank.
However, when you know what is going on it`s not too bad, you just have to wait them out, tell yourself you`re gonna be ok(like when you`re on a bad trip) and regulate your breathing.

[platinumray]

Try eating more things with oats in them like flapjacks, porridge etc. Apparently oats are very good for your heart and blood pressure.

[V Knid esq]

if you smoke skunk
stop

they're bad for you
i should know

[platinumray]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
if you smoke skunk
stop

they're bad for you
i should know


I beg to differ Mr. Knid


:)

[JE:5]

The whole reason I stopped smoking dope was because I had the worst experiences of my life where I really thought I was going to die from a panic attack.

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by platinumray



I beg to differ Mr. Knid


:)

Seriously, I interviewed a load of research scientists and people from mental health charities recently, and they all said people are over-doing skunk, and it is causing a lot of psychotic symptoms and anxiety (though this is not the mythical 'cannabis psychosis' i.e. is not a permanent medical condition, but is just the effect of the drug and wears off when you stop smoking)

The reason for this - and this was news to me - is that Skunk etc are not just bred to have more THC in than 'standard' weed, but to have LESS Cannabidiol (CBD). Now apparently CBD is actually what mellows you out when you smoke - in fact it has been proven to have anti-psychotic qualities, to counteract the side effects of other drugs and there is research going on to isolate it and use it medically for these purposes. So Skunk not only has more of the hallucinogenic stuff that sends you schiz, but it has less of the stuff that counteracts that... i.e. DANGER, WILL ROBINSON.

Plenty of people can handle it, but if you are smoking skunk and also having panic attacks you should absolutely consider trying to cut it out or going back to 'ordinary' pot.

[platinumray]

I can't really argue with that and I do understand where you're coming from. Skunk on a daily basis would wreck anybody's head.


It's just the thought of quitting dube gives me panic attackslol

[goone]

thats doob
as in the doobie brothers

[platinumray]

and when I get panicy my spelling suffers greatly:(

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by platinumray
I can't really argue with that and I do understand where you're coming from. Skunk on a daily basis would wreck anybody's head.


It's just the thought of quitting dube gives me panic attackslol

Sorry, it' subject close to my heart is all, as I smoked skunk dawn till dusk for well over a year and ended up a gibbering wreck.

[Mirsha]

I started having massive paranoia/panic attacks over a year ago after my father threatend to put me in hospital. I started having mad paranoia attacks beliving that every car was him waiting to jump me, I started to think all my friends were in on some problem to catch me out and get me. This led me into a bad catch 22 where I would smoke more to relax as I was on edge, which would make me paranoid, which would make me panic and so on.

I felt much better about the whole situation when I stopped smoking. The panic attacks went away as did the paranoia. I still get a bit paranoid from time to time but nowhere near as bad as I was and I can handle it much better these days so I'm less likely to freak out.

[Loz]

I used to get panic attacks an awful lot. Due to all kinds of shit that was going on in my life at the time. I won't go into that, because it would no doubt bore the pants off you, and make me seem like a moany old bitch.

Panic attacks came at seemingly random intervals, no matter the time of day, the surroundings or who I was with. They came in varying strengths, from the mild sense of anxiety, to the full-on crippling "finding it hard to even breathe" kind. Not really helped by the fact that I am an incredibly paranoid person at the best of times, I didn't go to the doctor about them, a bit out of thinking that they weren't anything major, since they always passed in time, and also I've always been very wary of visiting doctors about mental issues, I am actually convinced I have enough wrong with me that could require me to be sectioned.

Eventually, though, I went to the doctor, about the panic attacks and also the depression (part of the aforementioned 'shit in my life'), and he initially prescibed me Seroxat. Recently found to induce suicidal thoughts (great when you're depressed!) and change your personality, it actually had no effect on me at all, besides lowering my sex drive to zero. Going back, I got some Prozac. This was even worse. Prozac made me totally cripplingly paranoid, with the feeling that someone was standing by my shoulder watching everything I was doing all the time. I spent weeks continuously looking around me, making sure no one was standing there, of course, panic attacks increased, so shortly after that, I stopped taking it.

Panic attacks returned to normal, during that time I worked hard to sort my mental and personal life out, thought a lot about all kinds of things, got more happy with who I was, and slowly, the panic attacks and depression stopped.

I still get them from time to time, especially in large crowds (not in clubs, strangely enough), but probably less than one or two every couple of months, which is quite manageable.

So my advice to you is that at all costs, stay away from the SRIs and SSRIs, and just try to work out exactly what it is that you're panicking about, and try and sort that out.

If all else fails, another thing I've done is adopt a laissez-faire attitude about the world, and just not worry about anything. Shit happens, but at the end of the day, the only things that matter are your happiness and the happiness of those you care about.

[invisibleplanet]

that's right, Loz, that's very close to the advice my sister, a consultant psychiatrist gave me when i told her I was having panic attacks.

She told me that I wasn't actually 'clinically depressed' but that I was 'depressed by life circumstances'. I took her advice seriously, which was to sort out the things in my life which were causing or creating the feelings of panic/unhappiness, and over time and with patience (because these feelings do take time to build up) the panic attacks and accompanying melancholy thoughts subsided, and my life became bright once more.

Sometimes that means distancing or cutting out completely one's 'toxic' friends, and changing well worn habit patterns.

We are what we think...and so some discipline such as joining a yoga class and learning how to relax mind and body can be worth more than it's weight in gold.

[Yer_Maw]

my mate got back from the dam and i was really fucking stoned last night. i was walking home by a really quiet road right in an area where there was male rapes a while ago and i was shitting myself. when i got into my mates flat where i was staying my heart was fucking going at about 150bpm. fucking mental.

ps if the drugs are getting you down, seriously do something about it cos going to visit your mate in a mental hospital is not a experience i would wish for anyone to have to be in or go through. cos its fucking horrible.

[V Knid esq]

The SSRIs CAN be life-saving, and are in many instances, but they do frequently have side effects and are a fucker to come off if you take them for a long time.

Don't write them off, but don't accept them (doctors can be really pushy) until you've considered other options. It wasn't strictly panic attacks, but when I suffered serious anxiety issues the one thing that did me more good than anything else was going to tai chi and (briefly) kung fu classes, also running every morning - i.e. activities that required combination of concentration but shutting off of the verbal part of the brain.

I've heard hypnotherapy can be good because it allows you to subconsciously spot the early signs of an attack and put a relaxation mechanism into action. Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is similar but works on a more conscious level. I know a few people who've done CBT and swear by it because it provides practical solutions unlike a lot of psychotherapy which seems to exist for the purpose of prolonging the therapy - i.e. digs up more worms than it kills...

[invisibleplanet]

re: SSRI's: recommended maximum length of prescription= 1yr AND NO LONGER.

NB:Somewhere in the f*ing seroxat manual, it stipulates that these tablets are NOT supposed to be given out for more than one year, and also requite a form of support, ie counselling.
so if u do accept SSRIs, ensure you are also given access to some form of counsellor.

IP WARNING: A counsellor can be
a) a well trained and dedicated therapist (see Davian and Humanist Schools of Counsellors)
b) a well trained 'adult education classes' counsellor & excellent 'substitute' friend, with whom to discuss your private fears & hopes,without burdening your close friends, they don't provide answers to your problems, but are supposed to encourage you to find your own way
c) a 'do-gooder', who gets a subtle ego boost from helping others less fortunate than themselves. this type of cousellor will often make 'helpful suggestions' which might not suit your nature -that's your warning sign!only you know what is best for u!
d) a 'wounded healer', who has a skill at helping others to make sense of their existence, but who can't help themselves...

there's bound to be other combinations of 'counsellor'.
A friend of mine is a trained Davian (sp?) therapist. It's one of the most intensive counselling courses in the country, and they do cost you money, as you can't get this kind of therapist/counsellor on the NHS, as far as I am aware.


A really good book on CBT for Panic Disorders can be found http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471490679/psychologyboo-21/202-5834684-1499811. It's a clinical pysch one, but don't let it put u off!


some idea of the scope of CBT for panic disorders can be gleaned from CBT for Panic Disorder (http://apt.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/7/3/224)

ps. these are my opinions, not my sisters. she'd be annoyed if i spoke on her behalf lol (the bit about term of prescription for SSRIs is true though, i read the f*ing manual!)

[owain_k]

I hear St John's Wort can be good for assisting panic attack sufferers. Certainly getting regular exercise goes along way to sorting you out; especially Yoga (damn good stuff!).

[Loz]

having lots of supportive friends helps a great deal, too

[pille'ocheoni]

word up twain. smoking pot can be the most intense drug ever, and breathing patterns are also something to look into.

cheers joe hope all gets better

[philsmum]

Induced experiences mimicking psychosis (IEMP) and getting you sectioned.

Marina Findlay.

IEMP is used to section (hold against your will in a mental hospital and force you to take poison) and therefore subsequently destroy natural psychics, magicians, mediums who try to purify their soul and therefore be accurate, those who work with higher (more connected) spirits and tellers of truth about childmolesting, abuses of psychic skills and state control.

This common form of brutal torture (apparently used on 1 in 100 people) is given a cover as "schizophrenia" in current medical textbooks. The so-called symptoms are:

Saying you are persecuted by freemasons.

Harassment by neighbours.

A feeling of being controlled by external forces.

The masons (I know there are some good masons, but I refer only to corrupt ones) organise witchhunts of their enemies including beurocratic harassment and slander. They persuade some of your neighbours to harass you by stressing you out, setting you up and sabotaging your life. Unfortunately, there are many willing "bashers" who conspire against IEMP subjects. The "external forces" are remote control effect and manipulation of human being technology (RCEMHBT) and psychic manipulations. The technology will be used to inflict emotional engineering (one method to induce feelings involves using previously recorded emotion signature clusters and directing chosen ones on a silent sound carrier system to connect with the brain of the target), thought interference, Electro-magnetic blocks in the brain, electrical stimulation of the brain (ESB) and body, mimicked "voices in the head", parapsychological engineering and lots of blasting with radiation.

IEMP is used against individuals who the masons want discredited, unevolved (to rob you of energy and psychic abilities) or locked up. Usually the subject is supposed to think they are mad but often they know full well what is happening but appear to act in unusual or worrying ways in front of those ignorant of the state persecution of good people, who could contribute to their getting sectioned. The masons use the technology to torture "those in the know", and blackmail them to hand themselves into a mental hospital. They force you to take the drugs prescribed for the illness they are feigning. (Torture is diagnosed as psychosis, synthetic telepathy as schizophrenia, thefts of money from your account or documentation of insurance or finance etc. as paranoia, grievous bodily harm, a psychosomatic episode.)

This paragraph relates to those who "fall for it" but all techniques mentioned can be used on more informed subjects. Psychic and technological manipulations are often combined. Most psychic manipulations are caused by a person who has shifted their centre of consciousness into you, they can take over your body substantially and will use subliminal suggestion to influence you. The classic "voices in the head" are usually synthetic (USA Patents 5,159,703 Oliver Lowry, Oct 27 1992, 4,877,027 Wayne Brunkan, Oct 31 1989, 2,995,633, Henry Puharich and Joseph Lawrence, Aug 8 1961, 3,170,993, Henry Puharich, Feb23 1965 and 4,858,612 Philip Stockton, Aug22 1989) and can be on the speech or telepathic level. For those on the lowest level of society, the "voices" will sometimes just be caused by normal telepathy. Along with these voices with which they torture you, combinations of the following will be used. – Putting you in a highly suggestible trance state by increasing the frequency of the apparatus at your temples, causing induced fear, doing ESB to make you hallucinate and/or speed up your heart rate, technologically inducing hyper mania, disrupting your motor-co-ordination, influencing your mind to alter your thoughts and making you urinate. In this way the masons mimic panic attacks, or thus influence you over a long period of time to make you believe you have "paranoid schizophrenia". Sometimes, what seems like a psychotic episode can be caused by emotional engineering making you feel frustrated or murderously angry. Also, your actions will be directed by subliminal suggestion or the "voices" to make you smash windows or do other "mad" type things. Induced suicide attempts (if survived you can be classed as a danger to yourself and be sectioned) involve emotional engineering for causing depression etc., stimulation of the tear gland, psychological torture and psychic manipulations.

Experiment subjects will often be sectioned. They will have their memories wiped and will be brainwashed by hospital staff who will willingly, due to blackmail or through ignorance try to tell them that their experiences originated from their imagination. You could be grievous bodily harmed yet diagnosed delusional when you talk of it. If you try to get medical evidence of your injury, the nurse doing the scan will be got at in advance and will lie to you and probably place false pictures in your medical records.

Once the masons decide to get you sectioned they will pull strings within the medical profession. Doctors will suddenly turn up at your house and the remote controllers will set you up in front of them. Legal notices of having to be detained in a mental hospital for up to 6 months (this can be repeated unendingly) will suddenly come through your letter box.

If they have had their eye on you for a while, they will use their horrible magic to send an eventuality that they hope will lead to your incarceration into your soul that manifests in your reality. E.g. A mason may say that a friend "spent time in a mental hospital" while directing energy into you through the symbol of the phrase. Or they may say "I’m psychotic" while directing their magic into you – this may manifest as conspiring evil people accusing you of being psychotic, or if you are an IEMP subject, those who aren’t aware of IEMP believing you are psychotic, or as you being officially so classed.

Once you are trapped in a mental hospital you will have your mind blocked, be tortured by the prison regime and be degraded by being treated as though there is something wrong with you. You will have rights removed because you are classed as being unfit to make rational decisions. As a result you will experience beurocratic, financial and driving problems and will likely be harassed by the psychiatric services for the rest of your life. The anti-psychotics you are legally forced to consume as part of the official "treatment" of "schizophrenia" include olanzepine, depixal, risperodine and closapine. These mind destroying pills pricks and potions have terrible and seriously dangerous side effects and rob you of intelligence, awareness, motivation, imagination, a fit body, psychic abilities, feelings, sensitivity, a sense of responsibility and your personality.

[pille'ocheoni]

you smart

[Noonzie]

philsmum,

I agree with pille, you are definitely smart. I can tell you have been to college. Are you an M.D.? Some people are just gifted individuals and I envy those like you Philsmum. The world is definitely a better place with people like you who can understand such complex things.

God bless

[Lady E]

noonzie
i should just ignore it but my curiousity needs to be satisfied. why is your homepage about people in your family having babies?

[Noonzie]

That is my family website. My wife and I are going to have a baby girl anyday now. The website keeps the family up-to-date on what is going on.

[bitch one]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
The reason for this - and this was news to me - is that Skunk etc are not just bred to have more THC in than 'standard' weed, but to have LESS Cannabidiol (CBD). Now apparently CBD is actually what mellows you out when you smoke - in fact it has been proven to have anti-psychotic qualities, to counteract the side effects of other drugs

it's true - smoke black, it calms you down.

[Jeniffer Mills]

As a kid, about 10-15 years age, i used to hyperventilate out of the blue...No doctor could explain why...It stoped completly as i turned 19 or so....

[philsmum]

Noonzie
, that website is pretty darkside.

[pille'ocheoni]

hahahahaha

[philsmum]

http://www.nunesfamilynews.com/images/Xmas-Eve0009n.jpg

[mlexicon]

mwahahaha

phils funny in a not so funny way

[pille'ocheoni]

awesome pic phil!

[Yer_Maw]

link (http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,11381,1137559,00.html)

can children even get depressed?

[V Knid esq]

A doctor in the surgery where I'm working is currently doing some surveys into the way people deal with anxiety and sadness in different social groups and the conclusion she's come to is interesting:

"Depression" is a social construct. There is no single illness called "Depression", with a clear definition. It is just a lazy term for a very loose collection of symptoms. In other countries (and she's dealing with everyone from Serbs to Nigerians to Colombians) they collect the symptoms together in different ways, and the way people react to negative symptoms is entirely different.

This isn't to do down the feelings of anyone who is 'depressed' - these thought patterns and behaviours are etched into our minds at almost the deepest level - but it is important to remember that we LEARN how to feel the way we feel, and it is possible to learn to change it.

[bitch one]

wanking is the cure