the Dalai Lama

[a.rodin]

His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be teaching in New York for four days. Based on two classic Buddhist texts, His Holiness will speak on how to transform habitual selfish tendencies into compassion, selfless love, and wisdom through practical methods applied in meditation as well as in daily life.

[Goonie]

I was given a Dali Lama day by day "words of wisdom" calendar (!)for my christmas which has made me erm ...very wise - here is the quote for the day...

"Sometimes, you see, we feel that with technology that we are very individual or independent, and sometimes we forget about others' rights or interests. In reality, it is not that way."


Hmmm

[emef]

wow, i fell enlightened already.

now... wheres me joss sticks :)

[owain_k]

Joss sticks aside, the old fella has some pretty interesting things to say and am sure if i lived a little closer to NYC, i'd pop along.

[wired]

the dalei lama is a whise man, he is very intelligent and says a lot of good things... but i couldn't go to NY

[invisibleplanet]

when he comes to england, i would like to see him.

one of my long-standing female friends, Imelda Maquire, (world tai-chi chuan yang style women's champ and tai-kwon do women's world champ when she used to compete) is one of his Holiness' personal bodyguards when the Da'lai Lama visits the UK. She's the bodyguard who is supposed to throw herself in front of him during any assassination attempt. The others are to disarm/attack the assailant.


i love her alot, she's a very special woman.

[Sheridan]

I am sure she is. but I have always thought that the people who are supposed to take a bullet for someone else are a bit whacked out in the head. I guess it is easy for me to say that since I would never take a bullet for anyone. there is something so subservient about it.

[Weishaupt]

im a reiki master..no joke....

[invisibleplanet]

i think sheridan, that it's altruism in the flesh, @ the bodyguards dedication to this great man, rather than subservience, but i know what ur saying about that kind of hired guard.

[emef]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
i think sheridan, that it's altruism in the flesh, @ the bodyguards dedication to this great man, rather than subservience, but i know what ur saying about that kind of hired guard.

body guards, haha... theres faith in action, i dont think.

you would think his god would offer him a bit of supernatural protection, what with him being one of the chosen ones n all that.

gods eh, never around when you need them. :)
and if they are around, they`re workin in that bloody "mysterious way" we keep hearing about.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

I wish I knew so many really interesting people...

[Loz]

Basic: You and me both. I'm incredibly jealous of people who know special people (special in the Dalai Lama bodyguard way, not the Joey Deacon way), make my own circle of friends seem very dull.

In fact, I'm very dull.

IP, teach me how to be interesting and exciting!

[aleks]

obviously you have to be very, very stupid to die for someone else. that´s why bodyguards are bodyguards, because they´re fuckin stupid and cannot get another job...

p.s. i am interesting & exciting too

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Loz,

Who is Joey Deacon? Is he a pious kangaroo?

[emef]

Originally posted by Basic 2: The Revenge
Loz,

Who is Joey Deacon? Is he a pious kangaroo?

ouch feel that barrel being scraped lol

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Indeed...when do I not? lol

[invisibleplanet]

Joey Deacon was a man from the uk, who had a particularly severe physical disability, i think, cerebral palsy. He was special, in that he became well known as a sufferer. it's a particularly difficult physical disability which is caused at birth, often from oxygen starvation during delivery, which causes brain damage. for some sufferers the disability can just be almost tick like, but for others speech is slurred or impossible, and physical movement ranges from the non-existent, to the jerky. the old medical treatment was to put all sufferers on valium from a young age...which often dulled what little communication they had to nearly zero..Joey Deacon was special, in that he was able to tell his story, through an interpreter, after years of palsy/medicational enforced silence..

at least, that is how i remember the story, as i haven't looked it up on the internet, and i was a child when he became famous, i think he was on a BBC show called Blue Peter. I remember some children calling him a spacker, and thinking how ignorant that was.

i think perhaps this was the time when the british charity called 'the spastics society' became called something else, because of the association which had come about due to the negative misuse of the term spastic to spacker as an insult for a person one thinks is stupid.
*Sigh*

ps. i;m not interesting but many of my friends are LOL

[emef]

sounding a bit like a public anouncement film there IP

the use of the word joey as an insult was equally as much to do with the fact that he lost his shoe overboard during a trip on a ferry during the documentary, as the fact that he had cerebral palsy.

i dont think the term and his name would have caught on as much without the shoe incident.
i can remember watching the documentary as a kid, and thinking it was highly amusing that he lost his shoe overboard (kids can be cruel, i`m not proud of it)
but at school the next day, everyone was calling it each other.
very odd that it caught on so quickly.

[Loz]

I think joey as an insult has sort of transcended the actual person of Joey Deacon. I'll admit that I'm cruel, I call people joey from time to time, but all insults are cruel when you think of it. Calling anyone names is not big or clever, but it can be funny and it does make you feel better.

[invisibleplanet]

LOL Michael ...well, it was typed as it came out from my head..sometimes it's rather ordered in there, especially when it comes to retrieving memories. i think i mixed up two different time archives though - as the spastics society name change came much later, and as a result of the adoption of the term 'spacker'... i'm an 'old' lady now LOL and i reckon that by my age (36), most people will know at least one 'special' person.

the Da'lai Lama IS special, and his comprehension of compassion far greater than most, as his mind and thoughts have been trained from an early age to this consideration.

compassion seems to be one of the greatest expressions of love for humanity and essential state to experience before one can fully understand the human condition,

i've read some of the tibetan expositions of tantra and from a comparative religion point of view, i find this religion fascinating due to it's assumption that god can exist in a man or woman.

the Da'lai Lama is not the only 'inherited' human vehicle for wisdom and compassion, and i think in this pantheon, there is a goddess called 'Green Tara' who is re-incarnated through the ages in a human female and is heralded by the tibetan religion as the living embodiment of compassion

i personally think it is an enormous responsibility to have someone entrust their life to you. if you know any rock climbers, the term 'buddy' can take on a new meaning, as you entrust this person to keep u safe in the event of your fall by holding the rope that divides u from the a jam-pizza style rock-splat.

[emef]

i used to be a community support worker for a guy who had severe learning difficulties, i`m not sure he would have appreciated the term "special" either... very 1950s. ;)

[filthydave]

Originally posted by emef


you would think his god would offer him a bit of supernatural protection, what with him being one of the chosen ones n all that.


the dalai lama doesn't have any gods

he the reincarnated soul of buddha and therefore needs no gods, he is god, as are we all (if we would only open our eye to see!)

there are only spirits in buddhism good or maligned
whilst the maligned ones may try and throw you off course the good ones will never do anythin to help merely waiting around to clap their metaphorical hands if you cross the great river and make it to the other shore

buddha was a self made man, how could and why would any spirits help him?

the dalai lama has accepted his karmic fate if someone were to assasinate him that would be his destiny
if he has truely mastered himself and acheived enlightenment he could choose to die at any time he wished but out of love for all human kind he sticks around to impart his wisdom until it's time to pass his lineage to the next

all his soul is doing is inhabiting bodies for the duration of their sustainable life nothing more, his wisdom continues through each successive rebirth

[emef]

repectfully.

thats some of the biggest load of bollox i have ever heard.

[M H]

Originally posted by emef
i`m not sure he would have appreciated the term "special" either... very 1950s. ;)

That reminds me, I was in tescos the other day, in the car park, and there was a sectioned off bit with a "Special needs parking" sign by it, seperate from the disabled bit... well bizarre...

[invisibleplanet]

karma is not actually destiny - to simplify without losing sight of meaning, 'karma' is the consequences of your actions. to understand karma is to understand the law of the causes and effects of your actions. karma is like your 'habits' (good or bad). this, i hope u'll agree, is not the same thing as destiny.

[emef]

agreed :)

[emef]

Originally posted by M H


That reminds me, I was in tescos the other day, in the car park, and there was a sectioned off bit with a "Special needs parking" sign by it, seperate from the disabled bit... well bizarre...

seems fair enough...

one space for the joey(SN) and one space for the mook with one leg and three fingers on one hand (D)

lol what a fine figure of 21st century enlightenment i am.
god knows i`m only messin :)

[filthydave]

Originally posted by emef
repectfully.

thats some of the biggest load of bollox i have ever heard.

you're probably right but thats the theory behind it

i should clarify that he is not the soul reincarnate of the buddha just a living buddha from the 13th or 14th century (anyone who attains enlightentment can call themselves a buddha it means enlightened one!) who can be traced back to a brahmin boy around the time of the buddha apparently 72 reincarnations ago

http://www.dalailama.com/html/young_dl.html

@ip yeah i agree but the result of your actions create your karmic destiny as the dalai lama he should have no repercussions at all being the spirtually pure person he is

however there is nothing to stop someone with lower ideals from taking a pot shot at him and as such his fate is intrinsically linked

i often think that we are all going round in circles
i might do you harm (god forbid!) only to come back in a position that allows you to do me harm and visa versa until we both learn our lessons

he has said that a 350yr old ghost is haunting the dalai lama because he said he was a maligned spirit rejecting him as a deity

http://www.tibet.ca/wtnarchive/1997/8/22_3.html

[invisibleplanet]

sorry to labour the point. the link between karma (action) and destiny (fate) is not so clear cut. your karma (action) does shape your future, but it also a part of your past! your action in the present is inextricably linked to your experience of the future (changeable).
this is not the same as your 'destiny'.
it is my understanding that destiny, (fate) must surely be independent of karma (action), in that it is predetermined, unchanging.
karma (cause and effect/habit+consequence) can be altered as your actions/habits change, and you are the one in control of this *g

karmic destiny (in my mind) would seem to be an impossible paradox as karma changes throughout life, and destiny (fate) is generally understood to be beyond your means to change.

[filthydave]

a good old fashioned arguement over semantics excellent!

actually i would agree for the most part with what you said ip

however taking the 350yr old ghost as a point to argue over
if a previous incarnation of the dalai lama has said that it is an evil spirit, irrespective of whether or not the present incarnation reconciles his own position, it is not to say that the spirit would recognise this and so continue to 'avenge' his wrong doing
surely that is karmic destiny?
something that he has done in the past and has no control over for the future!

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by filthydave
a good old fashioned arguement over semantics excellent!

yeah - well we gotta have it here, as when we do get to see each other in tha flesh, ur driving/asleep and i'm high on dance - and the music is too loud to talk over! plus, it's easy to have 'args'/debates as our viewpoints are not based on personal tastes/preferences.

actually i would agree for the most part with what you said ip lol

however taking the 350yr old ghost as a point to argue over
if a previous incarnation of the dalai lama has said that it is an evil spirit, irrespective of whether or not the present incarnation reconciles his own position, it is not to say that the spirit would recognise this and so continue to 'avenge' his wrong doing
surely that is karmic destiny?
something that he has done in the past and has no control over for
the future!

we can discuss this, no problemo <grin>

i feel that if the current da'lai lama is unable to reconcile the followers of dorje shugden (hurler of thunger) to the accepted truth in this life, yes, the dharma of his karma will be that he will have to address the self-same issue in the next reincarnation.

however, the followers of dorje shugden are frightened people. frightened of remaining tibetan (in seeking citizenship of india) and frightened of their chosen 'icon', a murdered man. but why was he murdered, i wonder?
in many ways, this offshoot has become a 'cult' as the followers attribute special powers which don't seem appropriate for the spirit of a murdered man. given that the followers are seeking indian citizenship in an attempt to improve religious tolerance in their current home of india, they would then relinquish their citizenship of tibet, their homeland. in my eyes, they may well just return to tibet now, and accept chinese rule, and their exile is all for nought. they are probably disillusioned with the length of time it is taking

the followers of dorje shugden are in many ways being closed minded about the plight of their exiled peoples, and allowing their 'worship' of dorje shugden to affect their loyalty to reclaiming their homeland. it may be that the closest aid to the 5th Da'lai Lama acted alone in this murder, (i cannot imagine that the 5th Da'Lai Lama would have ordered his death!) but perhaps this aid knew of some 'plot', as dorje shugden was said to have been a fierce rival of the da'lai lama. i expect that in those medieval times, and with the lineage of divine rulership relatively newly established over only 5 genrations, that the dorje shugden was malicious before his death, and so his spirit continues to be malignant towards the da'lai lama not because of his murder, but because of the way that man lived his life before his death.



i think the chinese are in control of green tara now. i don't know how many other incarnate goddesses they have, but perhaps the next da'lai lama will not re-incarnate in tibet, or the chinese will have control of him.

[a.rodin]

Originally posted by aleks
obviously you have to be very, very stupid to die for someone else. that´s why bodyguards are bodyguards, because they´re fuckin stupid and cannot get another job...

p.s. i am interesting & exciting too


oi mate. you're a wanker of the highest order. how you judge someone's job is pretty wankin' and really skankin'.
i know a couple of people iwould stand in front of a gun for. besides they wear kevlar and are highly trained. you sound like an ignoramus with few friends and lead a very peculiar, sheltered, neurotic, pessimistic life. i assume that you have the best job in the world because you are highly intelligent.

this thread is about a man who personifies compassion- let up a little. i did. :D

[aleks]

oi mate. i am a wanker of the highest order, how did you know? judging about me, my life etc, because of a stupid, unserious comment i gave make you sound like an ignorasmus who cannot get his dick up. so i reckon you´re the biggest wanker around here...
by the way i don´t work, work is for stupid people ;)

p.s. wearing kevlar doesn´t protect from getting bullets in the head

[aleks]

Originally posted by a.rodin




this thread is about a man who personifies compassion..

that´s his job... showing compassion, talking wise stuff blah blah i don´t see what´s so special about him, i mean all the things he says are quite obvious. i could be the dalai lama too, tell them people how they should be to make this place/life a better one, talking wise stuff based on religious crap. there are shitloads of other people who personifie compassion, but nobody gives a fuck about them (people like aung san suu kyi for instance). people who risk a lot of the times their lives for others, i don´t see what the dalai lama does, except for talking and spreading wisdom MUHAHAHA! he is a popstar, due to the fact that buddhism is a fashion thing in the western world.

[wheezer]

aleks you'd make the best dalai lama ever

[invisibleplanet]

u think so? how dya think he'd manage without sex for his lifetime?

[aleks]

that´s a good question...

[wheezer]

more drugs?

[a.rodin]

Originally posted by aleks


that? his job... showing compassion, talking wise stuff blah blah i don? see what? so special about him, i mean all the things he says are quite obvious.

... you obviously do not care or respect anything about Tibet's plight or what he stands for. "Quite obvious"? I can't even reply to that statement.




i could be the dalai lama too, tell them people how they should be to make this place/life a better one, talking wise stuff based on religious crap.

... you have to be chosen. But that was obvious right? Maybe in another lifetime when the Dalai Lama has to personify pompous bombastic pseudo-intellectuals with vicarious tendencies.



there are shitloads of other people who personifie compassion, but nobody gives a fuck about them (people like aung san suu kyi for instance). people who risk a lot of the times their lives for others, i don? see what the dalai lama does, except for talking and spreading wisdom MUHAHAHA! he is a popstar, due to the fact that buddhism is a fashion thing in the western world.



... there are thousands of causes in the world. unfortunately, some have higher profiles than others. (Let's save some south american butterfly campaign perhaps is not one of them.)

... he did not enlist them. They came to help, as they do with many other causes and do so very successfully.

I have a conviction with helping their cause. People like you who are not only indifferent but pointlessly negative should read his teachings before opening their mouths.


BTW... I couldn't get it up again last Saturday! Haha! But it was still good fun and I've leanrt to not pressure myself, so it's all good. I was just trying to figure out if 'they' were real or not...







:)

[Loz]

Buddhism supports masturbation. Well, I think it's worded as "self-pleasure", but you can't have sex unless you're aiming to get kids.

Crack off all you like, however.

That's what I like, a religion (if you can call Buddhism that) that understands that men and women need to have orgasms from time to time.

[aleks]

Originally posted by a.rodin

People like you who are not only indifferent but pointlessly negative should read his teachings before opening their mouths.


i don´t need to read his teachings before opening my mouth. i might be indifferent towards religion (i think that´s a good thing). accusing me of being pointlessly negative, which i am not just because i have got a different opinion than yours that is pretty ignorant i think. calling me a pompous bombastic pseudo-intellectual , oh well, who is the one being pointlessly negative now and before? it seems like, although you might have read his teachings, that you didn´t get a thing what he is saying. people like you who insult other people, while praising the teachings of the dalai lama in the same sentence shouldn´t open their mouth at all.

just to get the facts straight i have respect for the dalai lama and what he stands in for, namely the struggle of tibetean people. but i would also have respect if he was just a fuckin peasant without this choosen mambojambo stuff. so there is nothing special about him, because some people said so...

[a.rodin]

you are like a little mosquito buzzing about my head.

if you land i will not squash you like the little bug that you are.

instead i will give you to a baby bird and give it nourishment.



... but master you can not kill a living thing! but you can not also let another living thing die. therefore run away from that mosquito and do not let him land on you and provoke your sense of wisdom, for you may go down the wrong path :)

[aleks]

bzzz, bzzz, bzzz :)

[Weishaupt]

......somebody get this freaking duck away from me!!!!!!!!!