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phdbob
3rd May 2002, 11:46
Subject: Letter from Daniel Bell

Making it's way though illegal MP3 sites, BBC Radio 1 and being
played by world famous dj's such as Richie Hawtin and Dj Hell is the
new release from Josh Wink "Freak" (or sometimes listed
as "Superfreak" or "Phreek").

If it sounds familiar when you hear it is because it bears more than
a passing resembelence to Daniel Bell aka DBX "Phreak" that was
originally released on Accelerate records in 1992.

Says Bell "I've heard many records copy my sound but this is
ridiculous. I've known Josh for over 11 years and in my opinion, this
is his lowest he's ever gone."

He stands to sell hundreds of thousands of records of this release
without giving any credit to the original . Please help us make the
techno community aware of what is going on.

Enclosed a lettter (with minor changes) that was sent to UFA (Daniel
Bell's publisher for "Phreak"):

It's a difficult thing to establish when an artist is influenced or
is in effect copying another artist. I'm aware that in this age and
that in my specific genre of music making that the issue of copying
another artist's work has become an even more black and white issue
mostly due to the frequency of digital sampling and more specifically
the clearing of digital samples.

And while digital sampling has made the idea of copying musical ideas
less ambiguous and more easily detected than ever before, I find
myself in the situation where I feel I have become the target of good
old-fashioned copyright infringement.

I am writing this in the sincere hope that you will listen without
prejudice to the evidence I'm providing to you.

Introduction

I believe that the recording artist Josh Wink (aka Winx) has
knowingly copied arrangements, sounds and production techniques from
my own copyright protected work and has failed to acknowledge the
source of his success. It is my belief that Wink has developed a
pattern of loosely basing his musical structures and arrangements on
my own original work. I also believe that his next release "Freak" is
his most daring copy yet of one of my arrangements. [...]

2

History:

I have met Josh Wink several times. The first time was in November
1990 in Detroit where I was scheduled to perform as Cybersonik with
Richie Hawtin at a nightclub called "1515 Broadway". The performance
was canceled hours before it was to start and we only found out when
we reached the venue. There was no line-up or crowd waiting to get
in, only two people were waiting when we arrived. One of them was a
disappointed, then unknown, Josh Wink, who I remember had traveled
from Philadelphia to see us and was a "big fan" of our music.

I saw Josh Wink again in 1992 in either Rochester N.Y or Philadelphia
PA while on tour again as Cybersonik. The DBX "Phreak" (the track in
question) was released weeks before on my label Accelerate. He was
sent a copy of this record from the +8 label directly (the label
pressed and distributed my label Accelerate). He said he "loved" the
track "Phreak" and that he "just wished the track was longer" - it's
approx. 3 and half minutes long (his "Freak" approx. 5 mins).

The next time I had an encounter with Josh Wink was in 1995 just
months after I had released my "Losing Control" record. The record
was a huge underground success most notably because it featured a
monotone voice repeating the words "I'm Losing Control" on every bar
faded in and out of the song. The effect was similar to a melodic
hook in popular music. The entire song was based on the manipulation
of the vocal. At the beginning of the arrangement the vocal is
introduced with the high frequencies muted and only the audible
frequencies are the lower frequencies. As the song progresses more of
the high and mid-frequencies are revealed until the whole phrase
of "I'm Losing Control" is audible. The vocal is then manipulated and
echoed and then disappears by subtracting the frequencies in the
reverse way they were added. To my knowledge, this way of slowly
manipulating a frequency filter over a repeated vocal phrase, over
the course of an entire track was never done before in dance music
prior to this record

Josh Wink called, he told me he had a similar track called "Don't
Laugh" that had a "laugh" instead of the vocal "Losing Control" that
was manipulated and arranged in a similar way. It was strange that
Wink had phoned me about this because I had never received a call
from him before or since that day. "Don't Laugh" was released in
1995 and was licensed to several high profile record companies who were
able to promote the single into mainstream markets that were not
familiar with "Losing Control". In contrast, Peacefrog records of the
U.K., the original label to release "Losing Control" froze sales at
10,000 copies in order to make the release rare and in-demand to
develop prestige for the label. Even though the release was the
biggest seller on the label to that point, no promotion was done. In
the end, 500,000 copies of "Don't Laugh" were sold worldwide. Despite
the similarities and the overwhelming feeling that he was trying to
capitalize on my ideas, I felt that that there was no recourse for me
because his track still had some differences.

3

In 1995 Josh Wink released a successful mix-c.d. on the DMC label
entitled "United DJs of America Vol. 3 " in which he licensed "Losing
Control".

In 2000 Josh Wink released "How's Your Evening So Far" a track that
featured a digital loop of Lil Louis' 1988 hit "French Kiss" . The
track also featured a voice repeating the title - similar again
to "Losing Control" - only this time the way the vocal was
manipulated in almost the exact same way, as if 7 years later he
finally figured out the specific technical approach on how the
original was done.

Regarding the Lil' Louis aspect of the song the New Music Express
reported on July 4th 2000:

"JOSH WINK has run into a legal wrangle with PETE TONG's label ffrr
over his version of the LIL LOUIS' acid house anthem `FRENCH KISS'.
The record is due to be released in the US on Ovum label at the end
of July, but a worldwide release is not likely until an agreement has
been reached over how the Wink version will be credited".

Josh Wink reportedly resisted the Lil Louis co-writing credit that he
was eventually forced to put on his release. Many reviewers noted
that the release sounded like a remix of "French Kiss" rather than a
new song.

In December 2001, Josh Wink showed up at a club in Philadelphia PA
that I was djing at and told me that "I have a track called "Freak"
that's going to be really big" and that it was inspired by early
tracks. The track has been tentatively titled either "Freak"
or "Superfreak" (I also have a track entitled "Superphreak" a 1993
release on Peacefrog) and has been played on Pete Tong's show on
Radio 1 in London.

This track "Freak" sounds like a remix or remake of my track "Phreak"
from 1993. It features a pitched-down robotic voice saying "Freak"
on every bar. The arrangement is sparse like the original Also the main
musical repeating notes are very similar and may even be samples of
my track cut up.

There already is a big buzz in several countries regarding this
release and I believe it is slated for release on the Ovum records in
the summer months. I feel that this is the last straw and that this
track is too close to my own. Please help to publicize this
situation. His New York lawyers claim there are no similarities. Let
the people judge for themselves by supplying them with all the
information.

Thank-you for your understanding and attention,
Daniel Bell



7th city (http://www.7thcity.com/)

fish lover
3rd May 2002, 16:20
never liked the cunt.

rmr
3rd May 2002, 16:43
Same here...is always somebody who has relied on one or two tunes for his "fame", that half of them are rip offs makes perfect sense!

emef
3rd May 2002, 17:57
i`ll have to have a listen to winks new track to see if it really is so similar.
but for dan bell to say josh wink ripped off "i`m losing control" by doing "dont laugh" is ridiculous, they are completely different tracks.
by the way, i thought winks version of french kiss was well shit...what was the point....apart from money of course.

nothinghere
3rd May 2002, 18:21
not defending him, but Josh Wink released a letter in response to aligations and seems he did nothing that would constitute the aligation, but who knows I think they got together just to start up some controvercy (note sarcasm);]

Anyone have the Josh Wink letter to post?

emef
3rd May 2002, 18:32
no, but i`m downloading winks track now from audiogalaxy.
i will post back when i have listened

Tomoki
3rd May 2002, 18:43
Anyone have the Josh Wink letter to post?

I had the letter, but i have deleted them.

I get it soon back, i hope.

Sheridan
3rd May 2002, 19:25
One of my good friends knows Josh Wink and used to work for Ovum. I will have to give him a call and see what he knows.

Sheridan
3rd May 2002, 19:50
This is some Info I got on the subject form my friend,

Here is Josh Wink's letter on the subject:

For Immediate Release:

I was very surprised to learn of Dan Bell's claim that my track called
"Superfreak" infringes on his track entitled "Phreak." I did not copy
or sample his work and, apart from being of the same genre of music, I
don't believe the tracks are similar. Except for Dan, no one else has
come to me and said that my track reminded them of Dan's track, and
those I know who have heard both tracks, agree with me that the tracks
are
not similar except for the genre of music. I seldom sample, but when I

do, I clear the samples and follow procedures to ensure everything is
legal. My "Superfreak" track is 100% sample free.

I am very pleased that the track has promotionally been doing well. I
don't know what Dan's motives are in making these claims but it sounds
like "sour grapes" to me. I have known Dan for a while and bear no ill

will toward him. However, I do strongly disagree with his claim and
his recent tactic of trying to tarnish my reputation in the music
industry through mass email mailings and press releases broadcasting
his
unfounded allegations against me of copyright infringement. Given that
Bell
has not yet begun a lawsuit, much less won one, it is disturbing to say

the least that Bell would stoop to such hurtful and unwarranted
mudslinging against a fellow artist. I stand behind the integrity and
originality of my "Superfreak" song without reservation.

The letter that Dan wrote to an industry publication regarding his
claim against me has gotten a lot of attention. Unfortunately for me
and
for the music community, it contains numerous inaccuracies and false
allegations on top of his baseless claim concerning "Superfreak." To
highlight a few:

-In regard to my track "HowÃ*s Your Evening So Far," Dan is completely
off base. My label, Ovum Recordings properly sought to clear the LilÃ*
Louis sample included on the track prior to the release of my record.
We agreed to give LilÃ* Louis 100% of the publishing. An issue arose
with the clearance because we had been incorrectly advised that Sony
controlled the song for the world when it only controlled it for North
America. A lengthy negotiation ensued between Sony and London Records,

which published the song outside North America, which held up the
release
outside North America. However, neither I nor Ovum had resisted giving

LilÃ* Louis proper writer credit for the song.

- Dan implies that my track "DonÃ*t Laugh" mimics his track "Losing
Control." However, I wrote "DonÃ*t Laugh" before I ever heard "Losing
Control."

- Dan suggests that he originated the technique of manipulating a
frequency filter over a repeated vocal phrase that on his "Losing
Control"
track released in 1995. However, my 1993 track entitled "HowÃ*s the
Music," released on Nervous Records NYC in 1994, among others, uses
that
technique.
-----------------

Ian speaking:

My friend also brought up an interesting point, that on Josh's United Djs of America Cd
Josh plays How is the Music and then mixes Losing Control into it. So if Dan Bell had any reservations on the originality of those particular songs he should have said something then. Does anyone have any MP3s of phreak and superfreak so we can compare??

emef
3rd May 2002, 19:51
i downloaded both the tracks from audiogalaxy cos i hadnt heard the dan bell track either.

they do sound quite similar....but i have heard many tracks that sound just like this.

i quite like the freaky(sorry) delay efx on the vocal, of winks track.

phdbob
4th May 2002, 13:34
inquisition!!!

burn that heretic!

k-dub
4th May 2002, 15:51
Oh god. I can just see the flood of horrible bootleg Dan Bell/Josh Wink crossover white label remixes floating around AudioGalaxy already *Cough*

freshmint
4th May 2002, 20:10
i agree that i heard hows the music before losing control, and those 2 had very similar fx.

k-dub
4th May 2002, 22:25
...and they will have horrible names such as "higher state of science fiction" and "how's your rubber ducky so far"

V Knid esq
5th May 2002, 13:53
Wisdom of Solomon says only one way to settle dispute without perpetuating name-calling and backbiting: kill all techno producers.

jukka
5th May 2002, 14:22
Originally posted by k-dub
...and they will have horrible names such as "higher state of science fiction" and "how's your rubber ducky so far"


hahahahaha...funny remix names......how's your rubber ducky so far....making me laugh.....lol

bitch one
7th May 2002, 10:29
umm wasn't i'm losing control a ripoff of an old chicago number ?

does mr bell seriously think that repeating a vocal sample and doing some filtering on it is worthy of a nobel prize?

i agree, death is the answer.

phdbob
7th May 2002, 20:31
arrgh! bitch one...really hope you don´t belive this B.S. yourself!
what chicago track should that be?
AND! I REALLY THINK THAT DAN SHOULD GET THE NOBEL FOR EXTRACTING THE FUNK!!!

mean it!

grumpyphd!

Basic
8th May 2002, 10:22
..as bitch one and I have discussed this in the pass, I can say he refers to Mr Marshall Jefferson's Sleazy D - I've lost control. The only similarities between the two are "I" and "Control". It is a stark difference form Phreak and Super-Phreak which (in my detroit defensive mind) is slightly more than using an idea.

bitch one
8th May 2002, 10:57
yes but what happened to the good ole days where people deliberately copied each others music and took the piss? it's not very punk to get pissed off about that is it?

phdbob
8th May 2002, 11:51
yah...thats the only one i could think of...and i agree the only simililarity is "i" and "control"...:) different mood and all...

is it punk to rip off and steal other peoples stuff? i thought being fair and PC is "punk-rock"...well it used to be like that when i was young...and some punks i know would love to disscuss the efx of an baseball-bat meeting kneecaps if they felt ripped!!!

anyway everyone has to pay the price for his/her actions!

skate or die!
suck or fuck!
bleep or sheep!
dick or duck!

distortedphd

bitch one
8th May 2002, 12:14
dont pay any attention to me i'm just being a dick

phdbob
8th May 2002, 12:19
nah...collision of conter mindedness=fun!
all ever agee=lame+boring
2+3=5
the geometry of humanity

aaaccciiiiddddd...whistle....u h....ahhh!

all kool! chheerrzz! keep on dickin´

bitch one
8th May 2002, 12:41
are you sayin i'm not a dick? that's fightin talk. i'll 'ave you.

phdbob
8th May 2002, 13:55
meet me tomorrow 5:15 am (sharp) at the churchyard...you´ll choose weapons sir!

slap your face with my hankerchief...

distruc
8th May 2002, 14:44
think there was a thread a few months ago about a rip-off of a vogel track-can't remember who the accused was but same problem i guess
something like sonys UR rip off is a different case but it seems like a bit of a bottomless pit to try and claim ownership of said technique in techno music! we'd all be there measuring knob movements by the micrometer
no disrespect-db has more than jw anyway:)

7875
9th May 2002, 04:26
wasn't "Phreak" just recently on that Ritchie Hawtin DE:9 mix?
sorry, but i think Wink sucks and lacks a little something called
inspiration. i remember that many in the drum and bass scene thought he was biting when he decided to put out a drum and bass track, right around the time that MetalHeads and Ltj Bukem were becoming successful. maybe he should try his hand at that metal rap shit that seems to be so popular these days.