Mos Def

[KaOz]

well maybe its not important to red or start this topic... but me as "old" hiphop head.. and mos def "fan" really want to know what he makes now?!?! i never heard stuff from him or new infos ( well ok the prefuse track) for 2 years now.. and google doenst werk... well new lp or something?

[mr_chombee]

there's quite a lot new stuff on rawkus (also with talib kwali, pharoahe monch, etc.). check rawkus.com

[KaOz]

mhh i loved the old shit on rawkus but the last shit i heard was -shit- :/

[mr_chombee]

true ;)

[CV]

that goes out to brooklyn?

[mr_chombee]

Brooooklyyyyyyn! 8-()

why do you ask? rawkus is a first class label - no question. they have ever been somehow 'special' ...excellent productions and always a bit different to the ongoing stuff. love them. but most of the latest releases are sounding like hiphop rec. xyz. sad but true.

[MUX]

did you hear the remix of Six day war by Dj Shadow with Mosdef rapping over the top? that the latest i heard of him

[KaOz]

chombee , u r right

but i still remember the first lyricist lounge sampler and co flow shit etc
that was kool :)

[MUX]

koaz have u got lyricist lounge mp3's?

[Hazell]

Originally posted by mr_chombee
Brooooklyyyyyyn! 8-()

why do you ask? rawkus is a first class label - no question. they have ever been somehow 'special' ...excellent productions and always a bit different to the ongoing stuff. love them. but most of the latest releases are sounding like hiphop rec. xyz. sad but true.

IMO, they lost the plot quite a long time ago now, as you say a lot of the releases ended up sounding the same. They also seemed to just be signing up renowned artists for 'come-back' LPs and the like... What was once one of the leading lights in the HipHop underground is now just yet another source of mediocre US HipHop....

Shame really.

As for MosDef - Sorry to sound like supa-hater! - well, he's largely lost the plot too... Busta Rhymes for the 'Noughties' - 'Mr Guest Spot' as it were(which in many cases, including Mos, does little more than turn you into a characature of your-artistic-self) except many of his spots turned out to be little more than warbling... To these ears even his debut LP was a bit shakey(Ironically containing guest spot from Busta himself!), although admittedly containing some nice rhymes here and there... It was all about the BlackStar LP for me - Now that is THE shit!;)

As is increasingly evident with HipHop again these days, a good MC is often not enough to make records and those crews that realise that it's not just about backing tracks for MCs to rhyme over and actually have DJs and producers forming the backbone of their sound are the ones that are making solid forward thinking HipHop... You could say they somewhat benefit from the GROUPs momentum; spurring each other on.

Good hiphop MUSIC is more than just beat-poetry.

Look through the years:

Soulsonic Force
Cold Chillin & Marley Marl
Public Enemy
Gang Starr
Dialeted Peoples
Quannum/Blackalicious/Latyryx
Rhyemsayers - Atmosphere/Idea & Ablities
Anticon/Mush

[KaOz]

Mux, well i have the original lps

i can rip the shit if u want

[KaOz]

btw, is it true that many ppl want the lyricist lounge vol 1 and pay a lot of money for it?

[Hazell]

Originally posted by KaOz
btw, is it true that many ppl want the lyricist lounge vol 1 and pay a lot of money for it?

Hope so - Got that and rarely play it...

Gotta love the Kool Keith interludes though!lol

[Hazell]

Originally posted by KaOz
btw, is it true that many ppl want the lyricist lounge vol 1 and pay a lot of money for it?

CD: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2547644133&category=307

LP: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2547810671&category=1589

Damn!

[Annefrankingmachine]

Signed to Rawkus?

I'd rather be mouth fucked by nazi's unconcious.

[Lady E]

big fan eh anne?

[Annefrankingmachine]

those weren't my werds.
they were from El-p's fantastic damage album.

[KaOz]

hehe :)

[Hazell]

Did ya'll know that Rawkus despite it's ONCE so-called 'indie' status, they were actually financed by The Murdoch family? (A nephew or summat...) ...Was always gonna go for the 'cash-cow' market.

[platinumray]

we need a new mos def album that's on a par with black on both sides. that album is the greatest hip album of all time me thinks, especially that climb tune. it was released in 98-99 wasn't it? and it still goes on in my house every other weekend. i love to make breakfast on a sunday morning whilst listening to the mighty mos, funkin' up the white folks.

[Lady E]

well that showed me up
i didnt even know emerson lake and palmer liked hip-hop!

[KaOz]

Originally posted by platinumray
we need a new mos def album that's on a par with black on both sides. that album is the greatest hip album of all time me thinks, especially that climb tune. .

iam with u

its unbelieveble

100% brilliant... from the awesome opener over mathematics tracks till the outro

mr lif and mos are the best stylers for me

[Hazell]

Originally posted by platinumray
we need a new mos def album that's on a par with black on both sides. that album is the greatest hip album of all time me thinks...

You having a laff?????

Not even the best record Mos Def has made let alone ever...

(How comes you didn't stick that on the 'essential record' thread?)

[Hazell]

Indeed, big up Mr Lif!

If ya like him, check Akrobatic & Aesop Rock!

My fave MC of late? Slug(of Atmosphere)... BAAADASS!!!

[platinumray]

no laugh hazell. each to their own.

what's your favorite mos def realease?

[MUX]

Originally posted by Annefrankingmachine
Signed to Rawkus?

I'd rather be mouth fucked by nazi's unconcious.

ahahha that is EL-P greatest line...
the crowd screamed it out at dedbeat.. it sent shivers up my spine..

[Hazell]

Originally posted by platinumray
no laugh hazell. each to their own.

what's your favorite mos def realease?

As said above, I think by far the best project he has been involved in in the BlackStar LP(also on Rawkus) when he teamed up with Talib Kwali... The overall sound of the LP is really coherent and reminds me of the kind of short but perfectly formed LPs that were put out by Motown(also note parralells of overt soulfulness) by the likes of Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder etc. and even, for me, contained a similar warmth.

I think there's some great subject matter on Mos' solo effort, but beatwise I don't think it's anything special and, for me, by the time his LP came out(as happens a LOT in hiphop), as an MC, he seemed to have somewhat lost the 'hunger' that is needed to set a record 'on fire'(Live is a different matter as you have crowd/band/DJ interaction and the vibe to lift you).

Did anyone catch his live shows a few years back? Full band and a real sense of improvision to proceedings(a friends account y'understand)... Maybe he's just not particularly suited to being a RECORDING artist...

[penciLneck]

I'm with you all the way Hazell, Quannum/Blackalicious/Latyryx - I love the bay area sound, and slug from atmosphere is excellent.

[KaOz]

Originally posted by Hazell
Indeed, big up Mr Lif!

If ya like him, check Akrobatic & Aesop Rock!

My fave MC of late? Slug(of Atmosphere)... BAAADASS!!!

yeah they are cool

but well i dont like all the productions

i prefer the shit on anticon ( clouddead, buck65, etc ) or lex ( boom bip and guys )

and check the dälek - from filthy tongue of gods and griots
LP
this one is fantastic

and dont forget the shit from Autechre ( hiphop inspired shit like envane ep )
or gescom etc

[penciLneck]

KaOz - I like all that too, do you like Tes and non-prophets as well? The lexoleum trilogy album is really good. does the dalek have an umlaut in the name?

[Hazell]

Originally posted by KaOz

...and dont forget the shit from Autechre ( hiphop inspired shit like envane ep )or gescom etc

Have I missed something in that they have worked with MC's over the years? (Just checking rather than playing the pedant! :) )

[KaOz]

nope but mcs arent a must

[platinumray]

@ hazell

i'm not the biggest kwali fan. there's something about his voice that irritates me. i'd love to have seen mos def live tho.

[Hazell]

Originally posted by KaOz
nope but mcs arent a must

ABSOLUTELY... but considering this is a fairly MC orientated thread, I was intrigued.

[KaOz]

u guys know machine drum? ( merck records )

this guy rocks

[KaOz]

www.m3rck.net

[Hazell]

Originally posted by KaOz
u guys know machine drum? ( merck records )

this guy rocks

Totally - His debut LP, for me, outshines the generally more acclaimed likes of Prefuse73 etc.

Hasn't he got a new LP ready to drop?

Ya may wanna check the 2 Morris Nightingale e.p.s also on Merck.

Did anyone hear the Gomma compilation LP 'Anti-NY'?

http://www.discogs.com/release/76837

Comp of early punk-funk & HipHop used and abused by the likes of Funkstorung &, the totally wicked, Protein that also includes original tracks that also fit the sound of the LP...

I got a 12" sampler but wondered whether the LP fulfilled the promise of the single...

[mr.lizard]

oh god machinedrum are wicked

i just got their new LP - fantastico, check it out

[Sheridan]

the last I heard mos def was back in the studio working with talib and hi-tek on a new blackstar album. I think it was slated for a late 03 or early 04 release.

[aleks]

Originally posted by Hazell



Ya may wanna check the 2 Morris Nightingale e.p.s also on Merck.



i listening to kristuit salu vs. morris nightingale- my mines i on merck right now...i love that record. this kid is 18 years old, i wonder what to expect of him in a couple of years...

[Hazell]

Originally posted by aleks


i listening to kristuit salu vs. morris nightingale- my mines i on merck right now...i love that record. this kid is 18 years old, i wonder what to expect of him in a couple of years...

Yeah that's one of the ones I have at home - Wicked ain't it... The age thing doesn't suprise me - It does sound young(as in wide eyed and sprigtly - Not meant in an old'ns know best kinda fashion!)... Really sounds like he enjoyed making it which is a fantastic quality for any music(IMO).