Jake Slazenger - help!

[V Knid esq]

Mike Paradinas has done at least 2 albums as Jake Slazenger. I have owned and lost (or had stolen) 3 vinyl copies of the first one, Makesaracket. Now, on that album there is one catchy as fuck song... if you have ever heard it you will know the one I mean. Does anyone know the title so I can get it off Audiogalaxy. To get you started, it's not Bolus, Nautilus or Acid Pope.

[MUX]

ill check tonight, i have all the slanenger albums as mp3... was it ' metal string no.3' or something?

[MUX]

Originally posted by MUX
ill check tonight, i have all the slazenger albums as mp3... was it ' metal string no.3' or something?

[jamyna]

Maybe it's "Daytime Kiss" ??

Thats the one I like anyway.

[V Knid esq]

It's the one that the milkman would whistle. It was the light green album. I really miss it *sniffle*

[jamyna]

I know the one you mean "do-do-de-do-do-do, do-de-do-de-do, do-de-de-de-de-do-do-do"

I am unfortunately at work - and without the resources needed to undertake this sort of research - however I remember it being an inside track on the vinyl: I rekkon it's "ERP" or failing that "Stupid Wanker".

[V Knid esq]

That's the feller! Ta, Jam. Those titles ring bells like Quasimodo - I've tapped em into AG...

[jamyna]

That tune, it's actually called "Megaphonk" - oh well get back in the q

[bigblacksexcop]

Nautilus?

[V Knid esq]

It's Megaphonk! Yeeehaa! But the only version I could get off Audiogalaxy has a couple of jumps in it, and makes me all the more bitter that I lost my vinyl copies. Arse.

No mind, it is ace, and I am very very happy to hear it again. And during the downloading I got a load of Kid Spatula tunes and a Mike Paradinas classic jungle mix set, none of which I'd heard before. It's an ill wind that vomits down your pants and all that.

[jamyna]

Audiogalaxy has been quite bad for that - I've had a few corrupt mp3s. Think its something to do with how they resume.

I can encode that one if you want a decent version, i'll stick it in my shares dir.
Are you in any of the AG groups? there's a no-future one i subscribed to ages ago & never used. my username's "perkussfux" on AG.

[V Knid esq]

Oh you star - I'm in the no-future group; my name's Beeheart.

[Lady E]

btw u mp3 maniacs

its starting to hit the industry hard

guess who suffers

that's right - small underground artists

no-one else

musical risks cannot be taken by labels, CD sales are down really hard

i suspect it will really effect the super_collider album sales

and we will be fucked

so think about that whilst you merrily download away

any arguments to persuade me this is not the case considered

[darksalmon]

it's mad how if MP3 is going to kill anyone off it's small labels yet they (generally) seem to be the people who give the format the most support.

it's not really going to affect big labels / artists and they're the ones with hairs up their asses about the whole thing...

[actionjetzon]

...and thats not all. Final Scratch makes it possible to mix hese mp3´s...so which Dj will buy records in the future...? shit

[V Knid esq]

I know this is just me, and doesn't represent a general trend, but:

a) I buy more small label stuff now than ever before, as a direct result of being sent tracks via Audiogalaxy groups and wanting to hear more by that artist.

b) I try to get hold of stuff by legitimate means - I have been hunting for the Jake Slazenger album for ages, and have only now resorted to mp3.

I dunno - it's not going to go away: we need to rack our brains for strategies that will allow the small labels to thrive.

[mattp]

Maybe this is just being over 30 and growing up with music distributed in a physical form ...

But I love physical act of buying music .... The hunt for records/cds .. Carrying em home in my record bag ... and then finally the joy of taking em out of the sleeves and playing them ...

There’s nothing better than a good track in some lovely packaging ...

I'm afraid buying music on-line or downloading MP3's just doesn't do it for me .... They don't feel special enough.

[jamyna]

I've been buying many albums based on the "sample" mp3's I get off the net.
Apart from that, many of the tracks I search for are of deleted / rare material.

I make music also, and am of the opinion that "giving away" my toons is a good means of exposure for my product as a whole.

Since the the digital format, it has of late become ridiculously easy to make a perfect copy of audio material. I would say that CD ripping is one of the most damaging factors to the industry. Have you heard of "Safedisc"? This new standard for CDs apparently prevents copying via digital means. A few of my workmates have been bitchin about it but I think its fair play on the industry's part. This will, however, not prevent the copying / distribution of music altogether - if you can hear it you can copy it, and that has always been the case, the difference now being that sites like AG more blatantly encourage its distribution.

And yes, Emma, I also agree with you that it is very worrying for the small fish, but, on the other hand, do you not think the bigger labels will get screwed more in the long run? I mean, no-one really has any qualms about getting the latest Britney trax for free (apart from the moral issue of taste lol), though I am hoping the fans if the independents will be more inclined to actually support their labels. We live in hope!

[darksalmon]

people complaining about they're stuff being downloaded when it's no longer available is a bit odd.

if it's sold out and the only other place you can get it is second hand then the artist receives nothing from this sale anyway.

if people want this practice to stop then they should re-press stuff.

it's like nintendo stopping CEX in london from selling super famicom cartridges. what's the point? nintendo no longer make any money through sales of this software. they should be happy that people still want to enjoy they're product even though for them it spun all the money it's ever going to.

my two cents.

[solque]

Originally posted by emma
btw u mp3 maniacs

its starting to hit the industry hard

guess who suffers

that's right - small underground artists

no-one else

musical risks cannot be taken by labels, CD sales are down really hard

i suspect it will really effect the super_collider album sales

and we will be fucked

so think about that whilst you merrily download away

any arguments to persuade me this is not the case considered


I think that pirating will always have it's benifit as far as promotional stuffs.. it allows the ability for a wider distribution of the ideas/thoughts. If an act is a live act then profit can be taken in off of the performance.. profit and art are a fucked combination.. I've been through quite a few different ideas with the whole copyright issue and art commercialazation.. non artist just don't understand(not all but I think a large majority) you can compare it to being outsourced in the factory to robots or somthing like that. I think that the profit is there just not necisarily in the normal way instead it goes to the utilities and big buisnesses.. like cd manufacturers harddrive makers, utility companies etc.. also funnles the posiliblity into pirate operations that make and sell the stuff at a lowe cost etc.. I only wish that the makers wishes were listened to, thats just one thing I don't like is the exploitation , big names will still still be hurt but since mainstream media has so many other routes the profitiablity of large acts will still be there. It forces the artist to go to other methods of profit... it closes doors and drains money directly from the idependant artist(note this is just what I think and is not necisarily founded) but I don't know theres lots of issues and its all because of a FUCKED up social system that places monitary reward for soical action. Oh well poeple just don't seem to care. The avialability of media streams along with masive amounts of music will cause the top to stay that way while the independant artist is forced to well build a following.. it is quite posible for the independant to get the exposure but it would take HUGE connections this of course is a ground up approach.. really I think that a artist carear could be planned hmm but I don't know so many issues and complications.. social awarness ties in I think with profitability ... your not nesisarily supporting a track but your supporting a concept or way of life. Thats why ... well poeple accept comfort not very many people like discomfort, is all a stem of social propagatoin largely funded by the govermental structure(schools, churches(sorta), malls, etc...)and the other sources of media(such as mainstream media.. tv, radio etc..) people adapt to their enviroment and that adaption lead to psychology.. anyway this is getting too long so I'll just say... society should be free the ability to survive and grow while sharing.. unfortuantely its not that way so the poor artist get unappreciated and screwed atleast on a financial level... which leads to finaceal= survival and standard of living = poor artist or no artist at all.. the next one comes along and the cycle repeats go big media go established society life goes on more copeing.. so my final understanding from this though process say either A people don't care about artists or B well my mind went blank on B... so I guess I can see where you are coming from but in a phased promotion I could see how this disadvantage can be turned into an advantage but it would require connections (which is commercial art anyway right) OR... you have the market base one which can't benifit from the illegal infrastructure but this is just another clasic example of the wonderful make me wanna stop being a pacifist power structure we have inplace... but life goes on right (please forgive me for my badly structured thoughts hopefully my ideas are still expressed)

[solque]

Originally posted by jamyna
. ...Have you heard of "Safedisc"? This new standard for CDs apparently prevents copying via digital means. ...

I firmly beleive it is imposible to keep a audio wave uncopyable. If you can hear it you can record it. That's what i think. The ease of recording it may be a little differnet though.

[ischo]

even more interesting is, that after a HEAR-test on copyright-methods, the VDT (Verband Deutscher Tonmeister) found out that all methods are audible. meaning, they were able to hear the difference between the copyrighten and the non-copyrigthen version.
So what do you prefer? high audio-quality or copyright-control ?

[sacul]

i know what you mean, and i got it right here.
just try one of those networks... dissmissable offence is straight ahead.

[solque]

"even more interesting is, that after a HEAR-test on copyright-methods, the VDT (Verband Deutscher Tonmeister) found out that all methods are audible. meaning, they were able to hear the difference between the copyrighten and the non-copyrigthen version.
So what do you prefer? high audio-quality or copyright-control ?"

Personally I prefer what the creator intended but I don't get the concept of keeping ones music etc from people especially in the case of people that wouldn't pay for the peice anyway I have allot of thoughts on the copyright issue and well to say the least I don't like it, but thats more of a dislike of societies survival/economic system. Anyway I would like to know the difference that was heard??? I still don't get it... obviously people must be doing something wrong if they arn't exact copies perhaps I'm just missing something.

[lucid rinehead]

i think ischo was talking about 'watermarking' techniques that embed copyright data in amongst the audio signal itself. apparently even if you play the sound and record it through a crappy mic in a room with people talking, the watermark data can still be read from the new recording.

[solque]

so your talking psycho accoustics.. ...

[sacul]

is there watermarking for cds? i've never seen and heared on.
is there a copy protection on the new super colider album?

[k-dub]

Originally posted by emma
btw u mp3 maniacs

its starting to hit the industry hard

guess who suffers

that's right - small underground artists

no-one else

musical risks cannot be taken by labels, CD sales are down really hard

i suspect it will really effect the super_collider album sales

and we will be fucked

so think about that whilst you merrily download away

any arguments to persuade me this is not the case considered

some random thoughts on this bizness. quick access to mp3's has made me pickier about what I purchase. I hate having cd's laying around that I never listen to so now it's like, if I don't love the album as a whole, I'm not going to keep it for 1 or 2 songs. I'm sure tons of other people feel this way, and my theory is that this will become a sort of quality control for labels in general, both big and small. if you make a great, complete package, people are going to buy it. i know i do. i just spent $40 on Deavid Soul's album on Transonic from a japanese importer even tho I already have all the mp3's... i do this pretty regularly. mp3's are a way for me to find even more amazing music that I wouldn't have found otherwise..

the real challenge for the small labels is going to be: how do we create a product that makes it worth owning the physical medium? how can we make "the release" worth more than the sum of the songs contained within? i guess that is what I'm trying to do with my label. my goal is to make every release unique/crazy in that way that makes people wanna play it for all of their friends.. and say "dood, i got this crazy ass record down at Ozone, it's fucking insane, check it out". it's the little details that count and make the complete package...

[solque]

then my suggestion to you is that you heed your own buying pratice that is if you release an album say on cd then the cd is grade A.. perhaps this is meaning that you colaborate on releases with other lables.. networking... I am just a subpar hobiest/music maker if I were to put out an album either I would have really good tracks :) or I would just put say my top two or three and have three or four other people that have some good tracks or maybe even like more people.. basically compilations.. simply because since small lables don't have the exposure as much as established acts.. you can then have all the sides of exposure of the artists on the compilation and they would compliment one another in the process of course if you have like 9 or 12 or 18 tracks that are all grade 8.. even then you might want to cut those releases between two albums or so incase you end up touring or something and don't have the time to make full albums.. thats why I think that lable releases could be a good thing(of course Im not an economist nor am I a commercial artist so I wouldn't have the slightest how it actually works but in my mind it works. ?? I have to do some reading on watermarking last I knew I thought subliminals were illegal... who knew?? but really anyway... no what the music scene needs .... extreamly rich aliens.. yup.. maybe that was part of the satalite we sent out with that music and stuff.. get them aliens hooked early.. :)