industrial music appreciation thread

[zombie ritual]

having listened to an old tape with some Throbbing Gristle songs yesterday and browsing the web for TG related material today, it struck my mind just how radical and fantastic this music was. anyone else into them? or spk? non? early laibach or whatever there was at the time?

[wheezer]

laibach and einstürzende neubauten rock. I still got some tg to catch up on though.

[squear]

In my opinion Laibach and Einstürzende Neubauten are not industrial. I like Esplendor Geometrico, Dive and Noisex. There are also some newer industrial-like stuff, available by antzen:http://www.ant-zen.com/

[wheezer]

ant-zen is great, just recently discovered that label

[c s]

if you recently discovered it, it's good. if you followed the new industrial wave of the 90s (started with dive and blackhouse revival) you get pretty tired of the stuff. there's so many acts on labels like ant-zen who repeat the distortioen orgies long done again and again. back at the time of TG, SPK, esplendor it was radical - but today...? but if industrial, i do prefer the old and renowned names like dive, sonar and the abovementioned. a lot of industrial is just a show of how hard (and sometimes obscure right-wing oriented) people are.

when i did the remix for sonar (=dive (ex-klinik)+monolith (ex-vomito)) i received compilations from the label (hands productions) and i sometimes wonder how people/labels can stick to this music only for years and years...

[zombie ritual]

the thing is: TG were also surprisingly diverse. but I see how people can stick to their music. people stick to techno as well. or to grindcore. you don't see many artists changing a lot and being (artistically) successful at it, do you? on the other hand, all the old industrial bands did indeed change their music (see chris&cosey, coil, graeme revell (hope it's spelled correctly)) etc.)

[c s]

coil rule quite a lot! very special band. well, actually i don't know if any of the really early industrial acts still do industrial - esplendor were recently seen on a festival i guess. TG just released a bunch of tapes on cd, i guess? laibach are still there but i'm afraid to hear what they're doing. they did great albums even in the 90s (kapital, NATO) that were very modern i guess, no oldschool industrial at all, but then it turned to a) crossover guitars (wtf?!) and then b) BAD techno i think...

[c s]

but i really should buy some more old classics, also suicide for example.

[KaOz]

marita schreck or whatever

[squear]

By some acts, like Winterkälte or Monoid you are right c s. They are only repeat there stuff. It's an endless homage on former times. Sometimes i listen to this music, but always comes a point, where it's better tu push the stop-button. But it's the same with techno or also with other kinds of music. If you listened enough from one style, you find patterns and typical sounds. And right wing idiots are everywhere, also on techno events

[carbonizedeyesockets]

you cant beat a bit of the old nurse with wound..

[amble]

im not so sure if theres something like industrial anymore today. if you take it that it was about scaring /irritating people with noisy sounds then it's definately over - a lame beat with distortion on it is just boring (to me at least).

on the other hand this kind of do-it-yourself attitude no matter what musical skills you have and using sounds that are around you was like the core of industrial to me and that definately remained. it just changed.

c s: there's this guy of Dive coming to the local culture-festival 'Kulturarena' this year. should i go see him?

KaOz: you know Marita? he's a guy from jena, he puts on a regular industrial/wave night (btw on the last flyer i read the most stupid music genre ever - BATCAVE - wtf is that??).

[zombie ritual]

yeah, c s, "kapital" is a really cool record, actually it might be my first kind of techno record (before I got into "real" techno), but now I think Laibach have turned to shit. and you should DEFINITELY get some Suicide material!

[zombie ritual]

As for industrial being occupied by goths I always wondered how this was possible, because I always thought industrial had nothing to do with lame gruftie sound. I remember my surprise when in 1994 I went to a so-called industrial party (actually the first and the last I ever attended) only to find myself surrounded by a crowd that wore almost exclusively black clothes (I turned up in a more grungy look). This and the motto of the party ("in stahlgewittern", an Ernst Jünger quote) made me feel quite uneasy, although I really liked some of the music being presented.

[Marolo]

The first two suicide records are essential but I wouldn't call it industrial. they were rawk und roll but with moogs

[animal night train]

there's a really good industrial mix here by Grovskopa, well worth a listen -

http://grovskopa.rejva.nu/grovskopa-julymix.mp3

this is the tracklisting


deutsch katholische feindschaft - cerebral lumor (steinklang)
viron - röntgentopogramm A1 (steinklang)
dive - final report (mh)
viron - röntgentopogramm B3 (steinklang)
p.a.l - gelöbnis (steinklang)
celluloid matashared - m.i.s.c (escaped from room 7)
mercantan - morphular (steinklang)
esplendor geometrico - el gran salto adelante (hymen)
throbbing gristle - weeping (industrial)
the klinik - lies (antler)
anenzephalia - illegal survivors (tesco)
deutsch katholische feindschaft - lyphus abdominalis (steinklang)
waterhouse - zyndrome (steinklang)




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[c s]

Originally posted by zombie ritual
the motto of the party ("in stahlgewittern", an Ernst Jünger quote) made me feel quite uneasy

that's exactly what i meant - although i don't mind some good provocation by using terms like that - the main problem is that it has become a cliché... every good industrial (and neofolk) party has to have a nazi-vibe name. this is because many of the old bands liked to provoke with totalitarian symbols (also in the EBM area which everybody knows is my world... lol ) and phrases. but when picked up by idiots the whole thing becomes a boring cliché on the one hand - and even a danger to some on the other. some start to take the nazi stuff seriously... on the other hand, what the antifa does against parties&concerts of this kind is often embarrassing as well...

[c s]

Originally posted by amble
c s: there's this guy of Dive coming to the local culture-festival 'Kulturarena' this year. should i go see him?

you'll have to bear with gruftis and the "ebm-fans" of today (argh) but if you've never seen him go there and 'say hello from me' (hmm don't think this works in english...) - the show and his music since 1991, when klinik split up, didn't change much - but among all the mostly crap it always represents solid quality work from a real legend - no bavarian right-wing industrial kid band... ;)

warning: never go to concerts under the name 'klinik' - it's the other guy (the music man while dive was the singer) who is in the grip of goa music and does such concerts under the great old name...

dive is dirk ivens, most of the time live mixed by eric van wonterghem who did the music for insekt (not vomito as i wrote above), another legendary belgian EBM act...

[KaOz]

Originally posted by amble


KaOz: you know Marita? he's a guy from jena, he puts on a regular industrial/wave night (btw on the last flyer i read the most stupid music genre ever - BATCAVE - wtf is that??).

yeah i know tracks... wicked shit... panzerfick etc..

[namshub]

sum wicked industrial(?)/hardcore/evil stuff i been listenin to....
most stuff on bloodyfist
fraughman, null object, passenger of shit on system corrupt
fanny,vsnares on zod
sonatic responses
black lung
slepcy, igor on suburban trash
dj paedofile on american trash
hearts of darknesses on schematic

[c s]

yes some stuff usually filed under 'electronica' or 'laptop' is quite distorted and close to industrial. but i'm not really a fan of (totally) distorted sounds for new music - i just think: ok it has been done, it's almost always the same outcome, it used to be radical 20 yrs ago... rather some bitreduction then please! ;)

[c s]

but this might be exactly the right thread to present this...

TET is here! (http://www.travailleur-en-trance.net)

anyone like that? the highly professional video is not really completely finished, nor is the site, but good enough for some impressions probably...

[namshub]

ok so distortion = done, repetitive beats = done, bit reduction = done, amplified internal organs = done, laptop = done, wallybox = done, etc etc = done..... sorry drunko

[c s]

umm yes... ;)

[amble]

volksmusik is the new industrial. a dynamicless vocal with a cheap reverb is just a massive pain for my ears.

[partydevil]

in my opinion EBM, Wave, Einstürzende Neubauten ain't industrial
may you get more informations @ http://krachcom.de/phpbb2/index.php
its a forum for noise, industrial.....

[c s]

and ebm ain't wave either...

[namshub]

and ebm aint ibm = done idm

[decadnids]

i was heavily into industrial and dark ambient stuff.

i liked especially, nurse with wound, some whitehouse.
also liked early current 93 (and more recent stuff).

and ofcourse throbbing gristle. and coil

[Ladytron]

i like industrial and my fave labels are :
http://www.ant-zen.com
http://www.klangstabil.com/hymen sub label of Ant Zen
http://www.adnoiseam.net

fave producer:
www.ant-zen.com/converter

i used to listen Einstürzende Neubauten, Laibach, Throbbing Gristle

[animal night train]

GODFLESH!!!!!!!!

[Ladytron]

great ones!!!

[aljones15]

esplendor geometrico rules.

-
A

[drop]

man i really love nine inch nails

just kidding

[Me?]

Who going to Camber Sands at the weekend then?

[animal night train]

Nobody who's got any sense. The RE:TG event has been postponed till next year.

[Me?]

Oh I didnt know, in all honesty im quite glad coz it means I can get to go next year, I couldnt make this year.

[animal night train]

Same here. I'm glad too, I was never gonna make it this year. Thing to remember though - they sold 1600 tickets and I imagine most of those will not be returned, so there are still only a few left!!

[fzv]

rumour has it TG are playin in london this weekend. 4 camber sands ticket holders only. sunday @ the forum. i think.

i haven't got a ticket tho :(

[alan_decal]

Originally posted by animal night train
GODFLESH!!!!!!!!

One of my favorite bands ever!!!
Saw their very last show, supporting some silly Canadian rocker in Dublin.
New band called Jesu on the way.

No-one mentioned Cabaret Voltaire or Front 242 yet?

[Orang Utan]

Revolting Cocks for me!

[alan_decal]

Originally posted by Orang Utan
Revolting Cocks for me!

RC, Ministry, Pailhead and all that ultra sleazy Jurgenson related stuff made up much of my listening in the early nineties.
'I Will Refuse' by Pailhead featuring Ian McKaye has got to be one of the best hardcore/industrial songs ever.

[c s]

Originally posted by alan_decal
No-one mentioned Cabaret Voltaire or Front 242 yet?

as for front, i did it too often over the years without finding too many comrades here... lol

we arranged an event here for tonight where we'll be performing neo-ebm as TET and also playing records - just old-school ebm plus some industrial and nothing else.

by the way, the record terence fixmer did with nitzer ebb singer mccarthy sounds totally crap - i couldn't believe it, i was really looking forward to hearing it...

[drop]

I LOVE FRONT 242 AND NITZER EBB
they kept company during those sad and lonely teenage years
my girlfriend, age 23
doesn't understand, she hates industrial

[animal night train]

Originally posted by alan_decal
One of my favorite bands ever!!!
Saw their very last show, supporting some silly Canadian rocker in Dublin.
New band called Jesu on the way.
New band from whom, Justin Broadrick?

I saw Godflesh 3 or 4 times up until 1991 I think but I have most of what they've released. I noticed you had "Slateman" in your wanted records list...I got that, was playing it last week. Good tempo, mixes well with a bit of techno.

[Kitana_One]

Originally posted by Ladytron
i like industrial and my fave labels are :
http://www.ant-zen.com
http://www.klangstabil.com/hymen sub label of Ant Zen
http://www.adnoiseam.net

fave producer:
www.ant-zen.com/converter

i used to listen Einstürzende Neubauten, Laibach, Throbbing Gristle

I didn't know you were such a powernoise fan. I'm a big Pain Station Fan (Was the main project before Scott Sturgis started Converter.).



On topic,.. I'm a big Industrial fan. Whether it's the older stuff like TG, Coil,and Einsturzende. Or the mid period EBM Like Klinik, Dive, Leaetherstrip, X-Marks the Pedwalk, Skinny Puppy, etc. Or the newer Powernoise stuff like Winterkalte, Noisex, Converter,Orphx and others.

I really love the Electro-Industrial stuff,.. that's where my heart lies,.. stuff like Skinny Puppy, :Wumpscut:, Leaetherstrip, X-Marks the Pedwalk, and alot of Zoth Ommog material.



Oh,... and to the person that was wondering what "Batcave" is. It's mostly Goth from the UK in the early and mid 80's. There was a club in England that was called the Batcave and that's where it got it's name from (The sound of the Batcave was mainly Goth with a Punk Influence). Stuff like Alien Sex Fiend (Nik Fiend worked at the club), Sex Gang Children, and The Damned. Some of it even had quite a bit of synths in it.

[JE:5]

I used to be well into Frontline Assembley, Front 242 etc, still am really.

[c s]

i'm starting to feel comfortable in this thread. ;)

old-school freaks will probably also enjoy this: http://www.t-e-t.org/

[alan_decal]

Originally posted by animal night train

New band from whom, Justin Broadrick?

I saw Godflesh 3 or 4 times up until 1991 I think but I have most of what they've released. I noticed you had "Slateman" in your wanted records list...I got that, was playing it last week. Good tempo, mixes well with a bit of techno.

Yup, new Broadrick band called Jesu. Pure rock - no drum machines - ultra-slow and emotive stuff by all accounts. Really looking forward to hearing it.

I've been looking for a vinyl of Slateman for years. The tracks are bonus material on one of the CD's, so I have them anyway. Just looking for that release for completions sake.

[Ladytron]

@Kitana_One ... you should have known so far what music i like... minimal, techno, acid, industrial, some electro(i'm not that big fan of electro). and i also listen metal (death, grind, gore) :-)

[Kitana_One]

Originally posted by Ladytron
@Kitana_One ... you should have known so far what music i like... minimal, techno, acid, industrial, some electro(i'm not that big fan of electro). and i also listen metal (death, grind, gore) :-)

I know,.. I just didn't know the specifics of which artists and what not.;)


The smilies on this forum are hilarious. They kill me.:-p

[Ladytron]

and there is not a kiss :-*

:)

[shuttlecart]

HYMEN

[JE:5]

i like industrial and my fave labels are :
http://www.ant-zen.com
http://www.klangstabil.com/hymen sub label of Ant Zen
http://www.adnoiseam.net

fave producer:
www.ant-zen.com/converter

i used to listen Einstürzende Neubauten, Laibach, Throbbing Gristle

I love Converter :) another album i've been rinsing on Ant-Zen is Genevieve Pasquier - Soap Bubble Factory and through discovering that I have discovered - Thorofon http://www.discogs.com/artist/Thorofon

[terminal viscosity]

HYMEN

imminent - starvation

[shuttlecart]

somatic responses-the day idm crawled up its on arse

[garew]

Anything from the little red song book is ace.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5764742

[love_tempo]

Suicide and tracks like The Normal's Warm Leatherette were good because they didn't slavishly copy any one particular template like industrial.

Same sort of radically attitude as TG and Coil, and also neubaten, who really all were very much their own peculiar thing. Maybe a lot of the links between these artists are more from radical art, politics and writing + cities than music scenes.

[grobelaar]

ant-zen is great, just recently discovered that label

I used an Ant-Zen track to empty the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham of 10,000 gamers... It worked a treat, I embellished it with a electronic voice counting down the building's self destruction in 10 minutes

Had to shut it off after five minutes as the Arena's safety officer told me some people were genuinely getting scared and I might cause a stampede.

This was also the same day I was off my head on acid and coke... (see thread on indulging in the workplace) :)

[jukka]

imminent - starvation

djihad, noice record.

[JE:5]

somatic responses-the day idm crawled up its on arse

Circumflex and Touching The Void, both top albums.

[Sheridan]

I will be seeing kmfdm in a few weeks.
I hope they play some of their really old stuff.
proper drum machine workouts.

[JE:5]

May I reccomend some La Nomenklatur - http://www.discogs.com/release/552446

This was re released on Ant-Zen in '95, well worth a listen.

[shuttlecart]

May I reccomend some La Nomenklatur - http://www.discogs.com/release/552446

This was re released on Ant-Zen in '95, well worth a listen.

cheers...i'm new to most of this stuff....theres hunners

[solitary_zen]

you'll have to bear with gruftis and the "ebm-fans" of today (argh) but if you've never seen him go there and 'say hello from me' (hmm don't think this works in english...) - the show and his music since 1991, when klinik split up, didn't change much - but among all the mostly crap it always represents solid quality work from a real legend - no bavarian right-wing industrial kid band... ;)

warning: never go to concerts under the name 'klinik' - it's the other guy (the music man while dive was the singer) who is in the grip of goa music and does such concerts under the great old name...

dive is dirk ivens, most of the time live mixed by eric van wonterghem who did the music for insekt (not vomito as i wrote above), another legendary belgian EBM act...

Dirk is a really nice guy too (not quite what you would expect after hearing the music perhaps :) ).

He used to work for a label that I was signed to quite a few years ago.

[thomas hooked]

severed heads are good. although they suffer from the same problem as TG- namely that their melodic, poppier tracks can't help but shine amongst a lot of actually not terribly fun noisier stuff.

[solitary_zen]

severed heads are good. although they suffer from the same problem as TG- namely that their melodic, poppier tracks can't help but shine amongst a lot of actually not terribly fun noisier stuff.

Severed Heads did loads of brilliant stuff back in the early 80's. Deserve a lot more credit than what they've received. A certain Mr. James would agree with me on that I think
;)