rock v.s. rave??? [Archive] - erutufon|nofuture

Ruben A

14th April 2002, 16:53

well, I really think some rockartists brings the energy to their music. That´s still cool!
But the elements and the sounds are the same though... hmmm

That´s why I enjoy electronic music- you just keep hearing new things not heard/made before.

zombie ritual

14th April 2002, 17:19

Who says that?

Ruben A

14th April 2002, 17:39

okay, maybe not every time....:-p

V Knid esq

14th April 2002, 17:53

I like Dumpy's Rusty Nuts and the Macc Lads mostly.

phdbob

14th April 2002, 18:14

@V Knid esq:

could you send me a tape of that? i´ll give you some things in exchange...

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more and more clubs are shut down and somtimes to be out at nite feels like journeying a sinking ship...more producers and records and less audience...mmmh dunno but somtimes a kickdrum feels so oldfashioned and the structure to speak of housemusic reminds me of good old rock´n´roll...pessimism sucking sundays and be bop a looo bop...

"your house is my house is your..."

phdbob

14th April 2002, 18:16

ah and the "eels" are cool!

to much duty for the booty! dick dig my dignety!

emef

14th April 2002, 18:17

rock ha ha...thats a good one ;)

marcel

14th April 2002, 18:43

like lenny once said:'rock iiis dead'
some cool shit there, but definitely nothing new
but you're right sometimes i think techno is seemingly dead.
there are this times and there are other times

btw there is no real alternate for techno as partymusic, is there?

Ruben A

14th April 2002, 19:47

polka..?

ahh..no..

lol

zombie ritual

14th April 2002, 20:09

Hmmm....´R'n'B??? Although I don't like it personally, I think there must be something fresh about it. But anyway, name one kind of music which is not "dead". We have entered the period where all music is captured in an endless historical loop of revival and re-revival.

namshub

14th April 2002, 22:21

rock will never die - it is too fun to play.

marcel

14th April 2002, 23:39

yeah r'n'b!
how could i forget. aaliah was great
and destinys child are really great today. like their tracks.
i heard they(child) are produced by swedish producers? you can see the swedish can even more than looptechno..
zombie you think it's all over? a long time ago i thought there could be nothing new in techno and the whole thing so i was really depressed and listened less and less to techno. but then i discovered landstrumms bedrooms and cities which really changed my life. i even never dreamed about such great technomusic. this experience(only one of this kind) teached me a lot about the whole musicthing.
so i think there are still possibilities for fresh'n'funky'n'new music which can rock ya asses. especially in the electronic music we just started

another point is the fact that the artists sell lese and less music because of mp3and so on but thats another story. the possibilities are out there!

zombie ritual

15th April 2002, 06:48

Of course, refinements and subtle changes are possible and will always be there, but they occur in rock as well. But the next BIG thing...I don't think it's going to happen. There is not even something seminal that could point to a new "movement" like hippieculture, or punk, or hiphop, or rave/electronic dance music.

Loz

15th April 2002, 09:13

Rock isn't always about making new sounds, it's about making music that makes you feel emotion.

If all you want from music is to listen to it and think "ah, that noise was interesting and unique" then you're kinda missing the point.

Electronic music can make you feel emotion too, but I don't think any genre of music is 'dead', maybe just dormant.

Mui

15th April 2002, 09:50

speaking of rock....the white stripes rock hard

V Knid esq

15th April 2002, 12:20

I do actually really like Slipknot... and even a couple of System Of A Down tracks... this is all stuff which is raw, gutsy and emotional but is really innovative in the way it makes the crunching and screaming noises. Mr Bungle and Fantomas and that as well. The boundaries are rapidly coming sown as the partisan divide created by the acid house / techno 'revolution' fades into the past. It's already happening in indie/electronica - Bogdan Raczynski, Minotaur Shock, Simian, Radiohead, Mum, Notwist, Bjork, yadda yadda.... and I'm sure more hard rocking bands are going to get into real twisted synthesis in the wake of the new Alec Empire album.

Lady E

15th April 2002, 12:24

i think 'rock' is good, and techno / electronica is good.

crazy eh?

actionjetzon

15th April 2002, 12:58

I think almost every style of music have good things!
Ok, german folk-music is very bad! But Classic, Rock, Punk...whatever has got at least one song which is great!

lucid rinehead

15th April 2002, 13:43

weren't kraftwerk an oompah band for a bit before they got into electronics? sounds very suspect but i've a feeling i heard it on the radio once...

Loz

15th April 2002, 13:48

Hmmmm... slipknot.

A lot of artists are mixing styles, electronic artists sampling live instruments directly, rock bands using electronic samples to add the extra bit to their music.

It's been happening a long time, but now breaking into the mainstream more, with acts like the Prodigy and Radiohead doing it. It's good, in my opinion. I use the word genre, but music would be a lot better if the word didn't exist. If we couldn't pigeon-hole artists into a certain 'type' of music they play, then people would listen to more music. I know so many people who will only listen to dance music, or will only listen to punk, and anything else is automatically shit to them.

I was like that a few years ago, but once I found out that something outside of indie was good, then I started listening to new stuff. And now I listen to pretty much all styles of music. Although I spend way too much money.

Variety is indeed the spice of life.

zombie ritual

15th April 2002, 13:51

No, the two Kraftwerk guys who were actually resoponsible for everything (can't recall the names now) had a band called "Die Organisation" in the late 6ties, which was pure hippie freakout (with an electronically distorted flute!!). Also they were taking classes with Karlheinz Stockhausen. But they had weird dressing habits, they liked the folk outfit...

Basic

15th April 2002, 14:05

Originally posted by zombie ritual
No, the two Kraftwerk guys who were actually resoponsible for everything (can't recall the names now) had a band called "Die Organisation" in the late 6ties, which was pure hippie freakout (with an electronically distorted flute!!). Also they were taking classes with Karlheinz Stockhausen. But they had weird dressing habits, they liked the folk outfit...

Florian Schneider & Ralf Hutter

brainard

15th April 2002, 14:59

i like old stuff,like
righteous pigs
primus
iggy and the stooges etc.

but today,this new cheeky hip hop-metal fuck thing,like
papa roach,i cannot hear this shit anymore.they all sound the same.
since 6 years i haven´t buyed me a cd of an new artist in rock.

but i´ve buyed me 150-200 records from electronik artists!!!

namshub

16th April 2002, 00:06

fuck i've really gotta express how much i fukin hate cistern of a down, wot a bunch of ugly fairy fuking bevans....yuk.....

Mui

16th April 2002, 00:52

fuck i've really gotta express how much i fukin hate cistern of a down, wot a bunch of ugly fairy fuking bevans....yuk.....

motion seconded....and slipknot are bloody terrible as well

spasticrobot

16th April 2002, 06:50

innovative music is being produced all of the time and innovation defies genre.

the neptunes
Andrew WK
Smash TV
white stripes
boards of canada

the five artists above have produced groundbreaking work in the past year. some are rock, some RnB some elektronik. All are good. It's not about cool!

G. Nasteff

16th April 2002, 08:27

what about the old sonic youth?
does anybody have heard the kim gordon/ikue mori stuff?
anyway, you all can check it live:
APRIL 24 KIM GORDON/IKUE MORI/DJ OLIVE/JIM O'ROURKE
ROYAL FESTIVAL HALL, LONDON...
damn... i have to stay in germany...lol

Loz

16th April 2002, 08:46

Wouldn't say Andrew WK has done anything groundbreaking at all. It seems pretty generic to me.

Same with the White Stripes. I love 'em, they rock, but it's nothing new, they've just taken it back to the roots. One voice, one guitar, one set of drums.

deccard

16th April 2002, 09:57

andrew wk sux hard. poprock compared to system of a down or slipknot. i couldn´t believe it as i saw their video.

zombie ritual

16th April 2002, 10:59

Speaking of good "rock", yesterday I had the incredible pleasure to see Zeni Geva live in Bern (for the 2ond time in my life). Forget Slipknot and System of a Down, they're wack sissies compared to the sheer power of these Japanese noiserock/metal/hardcore-gods. Plus, it was not only a rock experience, cause the two guitarists made solo performances as opening acts, Tabata playing guitar with lots of effects, creating noise loops and then playing melodies over them and also using MIDI synths triggered by his guitar I think, K.K.Null, which some of you might know for his collaborations with Merzbow or Lee Ranaldo (maybe), performing with two Korg Kaoss Pads, extremely cool noise-attack, before finally the complete trio entered the stage and destroyed everything with their massive heaviness. So you see, you can have both in one evening, electronics and rock, and both delivered in a more than decent way.

dick head

16th April 2002, 16:00

has techno ever been a mainstream thing, except in germany? i think it's always been v underground in most places. whereas rock has always been v popular. so nothing has really changed has it?

phdbob

16th April 2002, 17:51

andrew wk sucks and i can´t even stand this wack shite pissed like an ape!!!
the best of all that wk-stuff is the bloody face-promo-pic!

nono...no!

can´t see the postmodern hardedge nuskool approach in that lame party till you puke crap!