the ORBIT 10.05.03

[048]

10.05.03
kne'deep european tour with
DJ RUSH
MARCO BAILEY
+ residents
JOHN BERRY
MARK TURNER
DARREN BROOKE

Doors 8pm - 2am. Admission £14

the ORBIT
@ the Afterdark, South Queen St. Morley. Leeds
info : 0113 252 8202 www.orbit48.com
theorbit@macunlimited.net

[M H]

Nice to see the sound of the board represented again....

[jukka]

Originally posted by M H
Nice to see the sound of the board represented again....

???????????

[goinz]

lol

And who the fuck is DJ Rush. Never heard this name before!!!

[emef]

Originally posted by M H
Nice to see the sound of the board represented again....

by THROB, maybe...not by the orbit... i think they only know that 10 techno djs exist.

dj rush, for fucks sake...move over dave clarke...all is forgiven.
once a god now a bod

[048]

re. EMEF.

YOUR ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION AS MUCH AS ANYONE BUT TO SAY WE ONLY KNOW 10 TECHNO DJ'S IS A LITTLE ABUSRD TO SAY THE LEAST - WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALMOST 12 YEARS AND WE COULDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO LIST EVERYONE WHO HAS PLAYED BUT IT WILL INTO A SEVERAL HUNDRED DIFFERENT DJ'S / LIVE ACTS THATS FOR SURE.

[emef]

fair enough... to a certain extent.
i used to go to the orbit regularly for about 3 years, but pretty much stopped going about 4/5 years ago, cos i got so bored of the lineups.
and credit is due... i had two of my best new years eve nights out ever at the orbit.
but it just seemed like the people being booked , i had seen there before and non of the more out there fucked up producers and djs seemed to ever get booked.
so i just stopped going.
i still check now and then to see what the lineups are, and to me , it still looks like the core of the lineups from 4 years ago.
which would be ok, if those djs and producers were still putting out music that was vaguely interesting.
i know it has probably been really hard keeping the club running so consistently for such a long time...and i dont know what the bottom line is for a club like the orbit...but it would be nice to see a lineup there that was just rocking...not big names.

[old skool]

Agreed.

The Orbit is a wicked club and I've always enjoyed going there (frequently visiting over the past 10 years). But its time to take a chance and shake the bag a little.

There's loads of fresh talent out there to try.

If you lose a few regulars, that's a shame, but there will be plenty of more people to take their place !

[048]

All fair points, and as you rightly assume we can't begin to tell you how tricky its been to try and sustain things since '91.

To be honest our major problem is actually one of our big advantages - our venue, in so much as its size - its quite big capacity wise and its now much more difficult than it was in the beginning to fill. Early on we could more or less just do whatever we wanted and bring in all manner of new / unheard DJ's / Acts and we would be consistently busy (and this was every week not fortnightly). The advantage we have is that people have always liked the club itself as a venue and we have had some incredible nights so we are caught between stools so to speak - in a smaller venue, with much less overheads we could just put on all manner of artists which we have to think long and hard about now - we have tried introducing less well known artist alongside more established ones but that in itself is always tricky trying to match up DJ's musically etc.

We're not looking for a pat on the back or sympathy either - its always been a lot of fun putting the night on but basically we are a big fish in what is an ever decreasing small pond, and we probably put about 10 times the work in now to less than half the gigs we used to do in a year for much less return (customers and inevitably financially).

As a foot note - who would you (or anyone else) like to see at the club ??? Every now and again we ask this and its always interesting to see what people have to say.

[old skool]

I can totally see what you're saying. But with regards to your comment where you've tried a lesser known artist alongside the more well known names and they didn't go down too well musically, can you give some examples of this.

I'm sure I was at one of your nights with Rush/Liebing and Neil Landstrumm a couple of years ago and that went down well....

Of course I'm not calling Landstrumm 'lesser known' but musically very different !!

[emef]

@048 i totally see what you`re saying.

you asked who are the sort of people i`d like to see at the orbit.

all the mercurochrome boys... nino fight,smees,smooki and steady p
cora s
tomas nordstrom TSR
mark hawkins
jerome hill (uglyfunk)
dan monox
jens bremeier and der totmacher (scatty brainz,germany)
cannibal cooking club
cymbol (edinburgh live act)
crystal distortion
attuk from neue heimat
dj z mig l

all of this lot bang it hard and i`d be down the orbit again if you had any of them on your lineup.

there are tomas nordstrom/tsr live and dj sets to download on this very ftp
and jerome hill has an april dj set on edinburgh`s dogma website

[M H]

Daniel Benevante (Neue Heimat resident)
Marc Snow (Tresor Resident)
Tobias Schmidt
Dave Tarrida
Jerome Hill
Michael Forshaw


would all be worth a visit for...

BTW: I didn't want to start a full on argument, just thought is was a bit strange to post info on the Orbit here when the music discussed here is barely ever featured at any big night in the UK let alone the Orbit....

[animal night train]

48's problem is that if he booked any of the above listed DJs, the club would be empty, for a variety of reasons. that is, unless they were booked next to someone that the orbiteers know well.

[M H]

Originally posted by animal night train
48's problem is that if he booked any of the above listed DJs, the club would be empty, for a variety of reasons. that is, unless they were booked next to someone that the orbiteers know well.

Well, obviously that would be the way to do it....
I think a lot of people like the straight repetition, maybe this is what fills clubs like the Orbit, but how do people know that there's other stuff in techno unless they get the chance to hear it....

Nothing against Rush though, I drop the odd tune by him myself sometimes...

[animal night train]

i agree with you totally MH. i also think that long standing clubs like like the Orbit, Atomic Jam and previously Voodoo, Bugged Out etc...whilst they (or some of them anyway) protest that they aren't repetitive, and whilst they do occasionally book someone that raises an eyebrow rather than a groan, have backed themselves into a corner from which they can't escape. Weaning the youth on the lowest common denominator acts for year on year has inevitably created an audience that is intolerant of anything other than what they are used to.

the problem is that they can't book obscure acts because the crowd want names - even if the names are completely crap.

the reason the crowd want names is that that's what they've been brought up on.

Orbit in particular has the problem of ending at 2am.

[jukka]

hmmm.....is it soo bad if the club isn't that full of people if there is booked a less known dj (by name) ???

[owain_k]

Legowelt
Johannes Heile
Diego
FunkDVoid
The Youngsters
Aril Brihka
John Thomas


Would be nice to see some of these guys too (ok am aware mr Heile has played aleady but he is very Geile !)

Oh yeah ... n my old school fave :

Dave Angel (sorry 48 u explained to me b4 why u don't book him but would still be nice!)

[jukka]

it's johannes heil ;)
i thought the last longplayer i heard from him was kinda crap...illuminate the planet...haven't heard him live so far and to be honest i am also not interested in.

but paranoid dancer rocks____

[old skool]

I saw the Youngsters live at an F Comm night at ... whisper... Cream.

And they were ace.

Blew Garnier out of the club (but he was doing a 2 hour set, which ain't really his thang)

[Lady E]

and as i said last time we had this thread, would be nice if you wanted to book cristian vogel to play, seeing as you used to in 94, 95 and 96...

but it doesnt really matter...

[invisibleplanet]

i love the orbit...it's unique, and I don't hold the view that they put on the same dj's over and over again. the audience there is made up of die-hard orbiteers, and also new techno lovers!

people go back again and again because they are guaranteed a good time! excellent but discreet bouncers mean that women feel safe, lone women are seen to their taxis, drugs are not an obvious problem, as one might find at newer venues...ketamine and gbh casualties are unheard of! and they sell REAL COFFEE!!!

the dj's they put on are always excellent quality , and you know you are getting your money's worth.

my only criticism, is that several really popular and well known european dj's don't get much of a look in: daniel benavente, cristian vogel, neil landstruum, justin berkovi, tobias schmidt to name but a few...also, although i only live 7 miles away, it's really hard to get to and from, and a taxi costs £10 each way, making it quite an expensive night out for me. (but that's just a selfish observation!)

[invisibleplanet]

hey! and another thing - the fact that every second of every day, someone is being introduced to techno for the first time, means that the majority of every orbit audience hasn't seen the dj playing before, or is such a fan, they have come back for more....i know some crazeee techno heads, who went to every single Rob Hood gig when he was over recently!

some folk are just really passionate about techno!

[invisibleplanet]

and if it hasn't escaped anyone's attention, did u notice that radio1's essential mix, 2-4am Sundays, often features that very night, the same dj who played at the orbit also the same night??

[invisibleplanet]

i'll shut up now :)

[JcJr]

i think some of the orbit punters are quite narrow minded in that they just want bangin' dj's.. case in point: ed dmx incident.. and many dj's play a different (harder) set when they play at the orbit... .. just my observation..

[Virus]

this all seems sadly familiar, clubs are continually pigeon holeing themselves and painting themselves into corners and i don't envy the task of introducing change to hardcore regulars i mean, i cannot beleive how many times Mills has played at Lost on the past year, you have to laugh..

i guess what you have to ask is if you are happy churning out the same old thing for the sake of keeping a club busy , i have even done this myself so don't feel bad if you choose this one...

but surley it would be way more satisfying to actually introduce something new and eventually have everyone go as AWOL as they would if it were DJ mega-whatshischops? which is probabaly the one whyreason most people start running nights.

why should we support already established DJ's who are all too often dissapointing when there is a whole wealth of talent out there not on the Euro-techno circuit that is saturated with these loops dj's. i personally favour the second option and like to put my money where my mouth is , which is why i have never been to the club in question..

dunno how many else of us feel like that, just my opinion

[Virus]

though i do have to add, it has an excellent reputation as far as i can gather in terms of friendiness of punters, venue etc... it seems to just be the music that some of us are cagey about..

[bitch one]

glasgow club optimo has managed to make a feature out of NOT putting on the same thing, ie expect the unexpected, and has become extremely popular because of this very fact..but it ain't a techno club

[Yer_Maw]

Optimo:

Cheesy Pop for kewl kidz.

But without the 60p vodkas

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

....self-proclaimed "kewl kids" mind you. Don't like that crowd too much.

[Yer_Maw]

yeah i should have put that in the old inverted commas.

How about this revision:

Cheesy pop for 'up their own hoop bawbags'

:)

[Mirsha]

Crivens, Mark and Mikes lists are identical to who I want to see up north. Maybe with the return of the following night we'll start to see some first Scottish appearances for some people.

http://www.kubemusik.com/ego-front.jpg

[grobelaar]

Hmmm, I'm glad this has happened, at least it provides an open forum for discussion - I think this gets to the very heart of why techno in the UK is becoming moribund and stale. There is too much reliance on the same old, same old. No offence intended to these people, but they produce a particular sound and have been doing so for a number of years. Fine, that's their thing think of it what you will, but the upshot is that it presents a very narrow picture of what techno genre is and I personally believe that it is this reliance that has caused the so-called decline of techno in the UK.

The more this continues the more the demographic of techno clubbers gets narrowed both in dwindling numbers and in lack of divergence of tastes. @048 you said yourself you are catering to an ever decreasing crowd, so whatever you think of the music, your policy is not working. You can say well that's just the way with techno, its been dying a slow death since 1990 whenever, but this simply isn't the case. We've been doing our thing in Nottingham for five or so years now and its been going from strength to strength, as have the couple of other techno nights in Nottingham. In terms of numbers its probably no where near the Orbit - but the significant thing is its growing and we've acheived that by putting on an ever more diverse selection of acts on. And you are right being small does give us a certain advantages, none of us have anything too heavily financial riding on the night, but like everyone we don't wanna lose money and I attribute our small success to our open and diverse policy and attitude.

Perhaps the key to these halcyon early days lies in the chaos and diversity that occured back then, its always tricky because if you ask most people what they want, they are going to say what they had last time. You said that you do surveys at the results are interesting - but as any marketer will tell you: a customer is the last person you should ask to tell you what they want. Ask a bunch of people who've just been to see DC doing his thang - and they're probably gonna say they wanna see DC again.

It takes a sense of adventure and risk to say well that as maybe but this is what you are going to get - its a bit like what you had last time, but not quite - I hope you like it. People tend to err on the side of what they know, but in truth they actually prefer something new and exciting. This is true of any creative field - its very easy to give people what they want, but not so easy to try and work out what they'll like. People will eventually get bored and seek out the new stuff and excitement, so you can be the provider of that or they can drift off to get into something new of their own accord.

Plus as a promoter this can only be good for you, a greater breadth and depth of acts to choose from each year, which dare I say it may actual result in a reduction of costs in your favour.

I think many people here have fond memories of times at The Orbit - and we'd all love to see them again, it is a great venue, but many feel that they have been marginalised by an increasing reliance on a certain core of artists and styles. The way to get a bigger and fresher audiences is through greater choice and education as to what a forward thinking genre techno actually is - that it encompasses a broad spectrum of electronic music and styles and is inclusive not exclusive.

[Mirsha]

I can see this going the exact same way trance went. All these promoters suddenly only booking the big well established names to guarantee a nights sucess leading to the rise of untalented super star DJ clit twiddlers.

Techno has a larger sense of underground attitude I think with people just having a nice sense of fuck it, as long as we enjoy ourselves who the fuck needs a big name DJ attitude.

And as Groblear says above the most fantastic nights I've had have been where I've had no idea what to expect from the DJ or PA. When I can I go out of my way to avoid learning anything about someone who's appearing localy just to keep it fresh.

[Irrungenwirrungen]

A very good thread this. I think Grobelaar has hit the nail on the head by suggesting that these sort of things need to be discussed & if there is a chance that the Orbit will introduce new artists, then fair play & I reckon that such a move will command a great deal of respect.

[048]

Can't believe that us posting our listings (which obviously aren't to mosts tastes on here) has caused such an outpouring but then strange things happen.

We can take on board a lot of what had been said on here, some of which just blatantly isn't true, some of which is. We have always brought in new artists, its the one thing we have done from day one - but todays clubs are very different animals to what they were and yes maybe we are part of the old guard and its time to look at our laurels - but as has been pointed out in order for us to specifically use the majority of the DJ's who have been suggested here (all of which we are aware of but most of which are big residents of succesful nights) we would need to be running a club about a third the size of ours and frankly after 12 years in the same venue you tend to get a little attached to the old girl you know, it holds lots of memories for lots of people and without blowing our own trumpet (something we have never done) its been instrumental in introducing electronic music to an awful lot of people.

We have had some incredible nights and some financial disasters, often on the same night (which is always kind of bittersweet) money isn't our main reason daitre but it has to play a part ultimately, our staff need wages and our insurance has to be paid etc. etc.

I am just trawelling through some of our listings in order to post up a list of some of the people who have graced our stage - most of which now can take the pick of where in the world they choose to play and even tho' we have great love for our club its easy to understand why some artist might choose more exotic locations than Sunny old Morley.

Keep on suggesting as its interesting reading....

[animal night train]

posted by 048
Can't believe that us posting our listings (which obviously aren't to mosts tastes on here) has caused such an outpouring but then strange things happen.
you should be used to it. it's happened enough times before, although i dunno if it's happened here cos i'm new.





posted by 048
I am just trawelling through some of our listings in order to post up a list of some of the people who have graced our stage
why? isn't this discussion about the way things are and the way they are going? what's past is past...respect due, but let's move on.





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[048]

Was gonna post a list of people who have played in order to see a) whose missing but shouldn't be b) who should play again.

You are the people who are suggesting what would be c) who we should use and haven't in your opinions.

Your respect isn't what we are trying to gain - it gives people an insight into what we are, what we've done and where we are going - if thats not relevant then I don't know what is?

[animal night train]

it seems most people who are commenting are already aware of that through visiting the club, or just knowledge of the UK techno scene.

[invisibleplanet]

it's a good idea to post the list of players @orbit, and seems like a relevant follow on to me.

ant, most people who commented about the orbit, haven't actually visited over the last few years, probably because they are too busy promoting their own local nights, or travelling with their dj careers.....

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by 048
Was gonna post a list of people who have played in order to see a) whose missing but shouldn't be b) who should play again.

You are the people who are suggesting what would be c) who we should use and haven't in your opinions.

Your respect isn't what we are trying to gain - it gives people an insight into what we are, what we've done and where we are going - if thats not relevant then I don't know what is?

I would like to see the list... I'm intrigued... (any chance of how many times each person has played and the year - otherwise it wouldn't be much use for these purposes - I'm sure its a very varied list)

[048]

Am just attempting to compile this list now - no chance of putting the year and amount of times played as that would probably take me a year to do (12yrs worth is a long time)...

Stand by your beds...

[animal night train]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
most people who commented about the orbit, haven't actually visited over the last few years, probably because they are too busy promoting their own local nights, or travelling with their dj careers.....
huh? isn't it cos they don't like the line ups? that's what people have been saying.

[048]

Have to leave the office now but here is some sort of list of dj’s+live acts (not definitive and in no particular order apart from how they came out of my head, will add more tomorrow)

andrew weatherall, charles seigling, aphex twin, oxia, dave angel, derrick may, underworld, woody mcbride, aural float, alter ego, ege bam yasi, neil landstrumm, pascal feos, steve shiels, joey beltram, marc spoon, speedy j, glenn wilson, sun electric, lfo, thomas krome, paul damage, chris liebing, jeff mills, laurent garnier, mike humphries, jon nuccle, jesco schuck, christian smith, cj bolland, dave clarke, robert leiner, hardfloor, vapourspace, surgeon, regis, mark broom, richie hawtin, ben sims, james ruskin, oliver ho, baby ford, russ gabriel, westbam, umek, robert hood, claude young, miss djax, miss kittin, the hacker, cari lekebusch, henrik b, thomas schumacher, ignition technician, damon wild, technasia, sven vath, jay denham, kosmic komando, plastikman, dj rush, billy nasty, dj skull,marco carola, robert armani,frank lorber, gaetano parisio, john acquaviva, carl cox, cyclob,dmx krew, mike dred, cristian vogel, the advent, frank de wulf, fumiya tanaka, alex azary,gabriel le mar, craig walsh, david holmes, area 51, justin robertson, cajmere, heiko laux,johannes heil, fabi paras, darren emerson, oliver bonzoi, colin dale, colin favor, dj hyperactive, luke slater, space djz, fuse, richie hawtin, dj hell, marco zaffarano, steve bicknell, james pennington, eric powell, tanith, agent 30, resistance d, thomas heckmann, cosmic baby, darren price, dr fernando, the ambush, dj lewis, dr d, autechre, spicelab, twitch & brainstorm, andreas kramer, samuel l sessions, dj kudo, steve poindexter, inigo kennedy, marco bailey, transparent sound, freddy fresh, acid scout, regis, steve stoll, mike dearborn, lunatic asylum, u-ziq, charlie hall, pete hardwax, rolando, dj naughty, jack de marseille, gayle san, alex knight, drum club, leo anibaldi, ian von trapp, trevor rockcliffe, tracer, sherman, dave cawley, lee grange, dj dag, thomas fehlmann, dj criss (fax) paula temple...... more to follow when me head stops hurting.

[animal night train]

dr fernando, cooooool. how was he? i have a great old acid thing of his from yonks ago.

[Irrungenwirrungen]

Oliver Lieb (not as Spicelab or the Ambush)

Who's Jesco Schuck?

[interstellarhitman]

I was going to waffle on a bit, but I don’t think it would be necessary or constructive for me to do so. A few thoughts though. Grobelaar made some very valid points.
@Mirsha: big names definitely does not guarantee big crowds. The big name DJs cost so much that it’s very easy for a night to go under due to mounting costs. 48 has already mentioned that promotion costs have gone up for each month even though the night is only fortnightly. If Orbit booked JJ (I can’t type his name, it hurts) I bet no one would turn up for it!
@48: this isn’t a listings site and any post should expect some sort of discussion to amount from it, so don’t worry if people want to talk about the Orbit; good or bad. Anyway, you should be thankful what’sis’name didn’t start joining in.

[animal night train]

who is jj?

[invisibleplanet]

actually, i was wondering that aswell?
i don't know of any techno dj's called JJ.

i've been a follower of the european electronic music for years and years, and my great passion is german electronic musik...
i didn't even know detroit techno existed until last year!!

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by 048
Am just attempting to compile this list now - no chance of putting the year and amount of times played as that would probably take me a year to do (12yrs worth is a long time)...

Stand by your beds...

Indeed, it certainly makes illustrious reading and without going on too long and please I don't want to sound like I'm having a go or telling you how to run your club. I'm not I just passionate about this and just want to see really good techno across the UK for everyone.

I mean the one thing that there is a distinct lack of in that line-up is the new wave of techno talent and this gets to heart of what I'm saying... Looking at that list anyone would think that someone had outlawed techno a few years ago...

There's a whole new bunch of techno acts out here, in Europe and the UK and they bang it out across Europe every weekend. People like Daniel Benavente, Ibrahim Alfa, Eva Cazel, Cynthia Stern, Jerome Hill, Dave Tarrida, Mark Hawkins the list goes on. These aren't new acts, they're not just residents or local boys - they're established techno names running labels, clubnights, producing tunes and forging exciting new techno, and most importantly playing out to clubs rammed with techno fans and it's not as if Europeans have a special techno-gene - they're same as the techno fans in the UK - its not weird, or wonky or eclectic or abstract its just bloody good music and deserves a better representation in the UK. Sure it is a risk, after all there's not a great deal of press for techno in the UK, but surely the Orbit could be a brilliant place and opportunty to showcase some of this talent and at to that illustrious list?

Any way I'll shut up now, I've been on my soapbox long enough. Hope you didn't mind but kinda expected in this neck of the woods - we're just trying to lure you to the darkside... ho ho :-)

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by grobelaar

There's a whole new bunch of techno acts out here, in Europe and the UK and they bang it out across Europe every weekend. People like Daniel Benavente, Ibrahim Alfa, Eva Cazel, Cynthia Stern, Jerome Hill, Dave Tarrida, Mark Hawkins the list goes on. These aren't new acts, they're not just residents or local boys - they're established techno names running labels, clubnights, producing tunes and forging exciting new techno, and most importantly playing out to clubs rammed with techno fans and it's not as if Europeans have a special techno-gene - they're same as the techno fans in the UK - its not weird, or wonky or eclectic or abstract its just bloody good music and deserves a better representation in the UK.


i was introduced to techno through the european scene, and have consciously sought out music and dj sets by many of these people,
especially and most of all, cristian vogel. (it's his music i know best...i am STILL WAITING TO SEE HIM IN THE UK!!)

[big raff]

grobelaar is god.

[emef]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
it's a good idea to post the list of players @orbit, and seems like a relevant follow on to me.

ant, most people who commented about the orbit, haven't actually visited over the last few years, probably because they are too busy promoting their own local nights, or travelling with their dj careers.....

sorry, IP... you might like to think that is the case, but it certainly isn`t for me.
even though the atmosphere at the orbit has always blown me away.
i purely got bored with the lineups.
and however much i love that venue and the energy of the crowd, if i find the music boring...theres just no point going.
i dont really appreciate having my opinions about the orbit rubbished by you , just because you think i dont go to the club because i might be too busy doing other things.
if that was the case i wouldn`t have made my original post.
i`m interested in going out to quality nights in the uk, and i`m sure i have missed quite a few cracking djs and live acts at the orbit since i was last there.
but for me... even though i love techno, the orbit just stopped providing me with what i wanted... or certainly not enough of it.

[emef]

i`m in full agreement with what grobelaar just said in his last post.
@048 the list you posted of orbit guests is very varied.
a lot of the best names on the list i remember from my own visits to the club,
but as grobelaar has just said the list does seem to completely miss out almost all the new wave of techno/electro djs and live acts.


and in my list of people to see, i forgot to mention aeox,s-max and fym,dexorcist,bill youngman,bass junkie,eva cazal,IBM,paul langley,esther ofei,cynthia stern,the wee djs
and the more obvious ones... ibrahim alfa,subhead,tube jerk and tobias schmidt

[wheezer]

this isn't orbit-specific, but why doesn't anyone ever bring over the booty/ghettotech djs?

godfather, funk et al I'd presume to rock the house with ease...and I think I've heard of godfather performing somewhere this side of the pond once or twice...

[emef]

@wheezer you`re right , it would be great to see some of the booty djs, i did think of mentioning a few of them but i left out all the djs from usa, japan and australia cos of the expense of gettin em over.
i thought if i stuck to the euro guys`n`gals the orbit might reasonably book some of em. :)

[invisibleplanet]

emef: u said: "i dont really appreciate having my opinions about the orbit rubbished by you , just because you think i dont go to the club because i might be too busy doing other things."

well, i'm entitled to MY OPINION TOO

AND

I'm one of the crowd NOT a DJ/producer who travels europe with my career, and so I have NO VESTED INTEREST in belittling the achievements of the Orbit.

i dont care if you rubbish my opinions about the Orbit !

Your opinion, in my opinion, is invalid, because over the last few years, when YOU say you haven't been to the Orbit BECAUSE of the line-ups, you have in fact, been promoting your own career, and I find it somewhat TRITE that you should use the Orbit's line-up as an excuse as to why you haven't been.

There have been MANY interesting DJs who have played there, over thelast few years, whom the CROWD have greatly enjoyed.

Where were u when Cold Dust played at the Orbit? (John Nuccles) -late last year? I know for a fact you were DJing somewhere else, making your own living.

Just because many people, including myself, would like to see a more european-reflective line-up, does not mean to say that what has gone before has been a waste of space. There really is no other club in this area of england, which presents the DJ's that the Orbit does.

[M H]

Your opinion, in my opinion, is invalid, because over the last few years, when YOU say you haven't been to the Orbit BECAUSE of the line-ups, you have in fact, been promoting your own career, and I find it somewhat TRITE that you should use the Orbit's line-up as an excuse as to why you haven't been

I think Emef is one of the LAST people who would be in your own words "Promoting his career", Having known him for a fair few years, he's just up for the crack, the party, and whatever else is going on, and is certainly NOT on a total career motivated plot, if there was a good night at the orbit he wanted to go to, I'm sure he would go.... Do you really KNOW michael so well that you know his motivation behind what he does... And on top of that, any notions that we're all swanning around in BMWs, jetsetting the world in our private jets, and generally furthering our careers at the expense of everything else is an absolute joke.. I earn less money now than I did when I worked in a factory or a call centre, and to be honest, the implication that there's such a big divide between people that make music and DJ and the people that go out to techno clubs is laughable... Sorry to say this IP, but welcome to my ignore list....

[emef]

@invisible planet.

does the fact that that i make music and play in a few clubs, mean i`m not one of the crowd anymore and i`m not allowed to have an opinion about a club? i`m sad about that, if that is the case.

you said that you have no vested interest in belittling the orbits achievements.
i`m not sure i understand that statement.
it sounds like you are implying that i DO have some vested interest in making out that the orbit is rubbish.
i dont run any clubs myself so how would i benefit from badmouthing the orbit?

i have a lot of respect for the orbits past, but to me ,a lot of their guests are rooted in the past.

and you talk as if you think i dont want to see more of a european line up at the orbit.
in case you dont know all the names i have listed as people i`d like to see playing here.
most of them are from germany and switzerland, a few of them are based in the uk.
so i think our desire to see good european djs and live acts are not at odds with each other.

and i don`t know why you mentioned cold dust in some sort of proof positive way, of how i`m missing top nights out at the orbit????
i`m not particularly interested in hearing cold dust play...

of course you are entitled to your opinion as much as i am but how is it, in your words "TRITE" that i use the lineup at the orbit as a reason i dont go.
what other method than a clubs lineup should i choose to decide whether or not to go.

maybe i should play rock,scissors,stone to decide
or read my stars in the local paper to see if the omens are looking good that day.
or perhaps i shouldn`t go to a club if a black cat crosses my path:)

[Lady E]

guys guys guys

i think IP means 'promoting' his career in a non-judgemental way. i guess a better word would be 'working'. that's what cris says when he's gigging

but her response to emef was a bit strong. so lets all take it down a peg or two.

if emef says he doesnt go because of the line-ups, he doesnt go because of the line-ups!

cold dust? they played at our club in brighton in 1996, hardly groundbreaking newcomers now (no comment on their music...)


im pleased this debate is taking place anyway and im glad that 048 is taking time to respond to you all, that's cool...

whatever, the lifeblood of techno clubs should be those who are pushing it forward - and that can be the well known and the less well known. artists like cristian vogel, neil landstrumm, tobias schmidt, jamie / subhead et al have been pretty much ignored by all the major techno clubs in this country since 1996, and their popularity has been sustained on the continent and the rest of the world - no great hardship, just depressing.

there are still people , thank god who support the marginalised in the UK - andrew weatherall / haywire crew, and Dedbeat organisers in my experience, and of course people like Uglyfunk, Filth, Test etc. so its not all bad....

[bitch one]

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[bitch one]

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[Basic 2: The Revenge]

lol

[invisibleplanet]

emef and M H

you two seem to read an awful lot more into what I say, than is actually warranted. u both appear to have twisted what I have said.

not once do I imply that looking after your own career interests is 'bad'. on the contrary, it's healthy!

neither do I talk as though emef didn't want to see a more european line up - and i don't understand what he means anyway, as the majority of dj's at the orbit are european.

so people can understand better, I mentioned cold dust, as an example of european techno, who, very much like emef and M H, are both producing live sets, and dj-ing. of course, cold dust aren't newbies, and you may or may not enjoy what they produce: that's your choice, but they are still very much a part of the scene after 12 years.

i can also see now, that emef wouldn't have gone to the orbit, even if he could, despite the fact that he was booked to dj elsewhere, as he didn't find the line up inspiring...but launching into a tirade of complaints and misunderstandings over my choice of wording is astonishing!

as for emef comparing THROB to the Orbit on page 1 of this thread: imo there can be no comparison: they are both presenting different aspects of techno, so i don't feel a comparison is possible.

m h - your rant about big cars and fast women (or was it the other way around?) - wtf are u talking about?

i also haven't made an implication that there's such a big divide between people that make music and DJ and the people that go out to techno clubs these are your words! you may find it "laughable" i find it 'weird' especially as I'm on ignore by you for something born from your pen.

emef and M H - next time you want to go off on one, leave me out of it. I aint your dawg, ok? find someone else to kick - u hotheads

[Me?]

Well I just had to reply on this one, I am not getting involved in any aggro but I used to go to the Orbit years ago, I used to love it, I went religiously, the crowd and atmosphere was unbeatable (well apart from maybe HOG), this was around 3-4 years ago, I have to admit I havnt seen anything on the line-up that has really grabbed me for ages, shame really.

[invisibleplanet]

nostalgia ain't what it used to be, eh?
so where do u get your techno fix now, Me?

[Me?]

Pure Filth

[invisibleplanet]

yes, I've been twice in the last 6 months to pure filth, and it's a great night! ...but it's a completely different environment to the Orbit - Pure Filth is held in a cosy club and hosts excellent techno artists (with other styles in the 2nd room).
It's quite small though, and of course nothing like the cavernous Orbit - i love the buzz of cosy clubs as much as anyone else, but I think your experience of the Orbit is a common reaction to a period of prolonged exposure, which often leaves one longing for something different.
I haven't been over-exposed to the Orbit, and it really is the only place in central england that I know of who have the ability to host techno artists who have a large following.