Darkest set of notes

[Dialect]

What scale is the most evil sounding?

On that note(no pun..) did you know that there is a note missing from the western set of keys. Aparntly some Pope or someone declared one of the notes to be the devils note and had it removed. I want to find out more about this...anyone

Also some german female doctor did some experiments that proved that listening to classical music improves you abilty to learn. Certain pieces were found to be more effective. When i hear about things like this it makes me angry, cos why dont the authorites make this more known and put it too use in schools and the like - pumping out Bach through kindagarten. Can anyone shed some light on the doctors name and info on this research.

[namshub]

errrr ummmm uhhhh too intellectual for me, next thread...:o)

[jamyna]

Are you talking about the "brown noise"? lol

[amble]

as for classical music improving your ability to learn, i heard that too once. don't know what to think about it, could be something about it, could be bullshit. but i think if it's true then it's not only classical music but everything that has some kind of deeper thought in it. it's just that these "scientists" think that only classical music is some kind of intelligent, whatever that means...

anyway i kind of worked that theory out on the boy living above my room since he was born by constantly feeding him good music (he must be around 6 now). and guess what, his first painting/collage is hanging in our housefloor. cool!

[jamyna]

I have heard that Motzart is used as a therapy for some psychiatric patients, apparently his music helps to "order the mind" due to it's logical harmonic progressions.

[lucid rinehead]

there was some research a couple of years ago that suggested that anything with a regular beat helped with laying down memories when studying, as long as it didn't distract you. i think they found that the more regular and repetitive the better... maybe techno would be better than classical stuff then, as long as the subject didn't feel that they had to get up and play air drums instead of reading.

[Dialect]

anyone got any thoughts on the evil note's thing?

how about chord progressions that spell out dooom!

[content]

wow, this is a flashback to 12th grade music theory. B to an F# was not allowed in early classical music because it was thought to be evil. It is the two notes they use for the jaws theme.

[geese]

err do you mean C to F# ? B to F# is a perfect fifth which is about as harmonious as you can get for different notes. C to F# is a diminished fifth which is the devil's interval and very naughty indeed. The guitar part in the track black sabbath is a good example. I thought that jaws thing was a semitone.

I think its funnier that only 50 years ago people like Ligetti couldn't perform certain pieces in eastern europe for reasons such as "an abundance of diminished seconds" which were thought by the authorities to be decadent

for dialect - To get from any note in the western equal tempered scale to the next one up the frequency is multiplied by the twelfth root of 2 which is 1.05946. There are definitely no gaps, otherwise you could never transpose anything and transposition is kind of the reason why the western scale was invented.

[bitch one]

ah geese, how refreshing. since joining the fuzzy arty world of the media whore i must admit i have much missed the logic and deduction employed in the pursuit of science..

[ischo]

okay y'all devil's,

the 'devilish' chord occures when you play a sixth (germ. sexte)
from your original key, i.e. C and F#, uuuhhhh, that one sends shivers up my spine...yikes, grrr...

there was this 19th century french-guy who arranged a whole, ehh, play(?) for his king with those notes (yeah, not only C and F#), cuz he wanted the king to be scared of some war he was about to begin.
think it was Borodine, but not sure

[Dialect]

Yeahayy this is the talk I wan to get going! cheers

i must of got it worng - er miss-rememberd If that makes sense.

but I'm sure it was a note that some pope said wasnt allowed.

the reason i heard our scale knda exsists is to do with in the old days they used to tune each note by ear and the idea was to get the notes to spiral up, using nature as a guide, but what they found is when they did that, when you go up to the next octave it would be out of tune with the preceeding octave. And also that no two people would tune their instruments the same, so when a get together happend they would need to tune in with each other. also due to the fact that going up or down you would end up being out of tune, melodies where never wrtited to span more than an octave and a half.

this is all just vague memories here form a cool programe i watched on channel 4 two years ago - so correct me if you wish, esp if you have a degree in music theory and all that.

[Sheridan]

hey Dave I am taking a music theory class right now,
I will ask my professor about it tomorrow.
--
as for the specs on the brown note they are:
4hz at 140dB. no one here could actually
recreate it even if they wanted to. you need
special equipment and speakers to do it.

[lukeeyeball]

chek out the secret life of plants
a phd theisis turned book
about the afect of music on plants and there growth

[Dialect]

cheers Sheridan
all this is pretty interesting stuff, which I did some classes in all this.

music and plants?


when i heard about the mozart thing years ago, I wondered why not more people new about it, and pushed to have it pumped round schools, maybe just at low levels to be subliminal.

the story i heard way this German Prof (a woman i must add)
did research in the effects of music and learning.

anyway her contemparies dised her, saying she was Wack(hehe b-boy Prof's indeed). So she said Ok lets test my theory...but on you lot.

so she took aload of these doctors, Scientist, Prof's and taught them a lesson in subject known of them new about already, a language lesson, whilst teaching them she pumped out a mozart tune, a very specific track very good fro this purpose. then tthe next day or whatever she made them sit a test on the subject.

they all scored 100%

I would like to know more about this story, particly the name of the woman Prof, and the track she choose to play.

purely for shelfish reasons, so i can learn tings init!

:D

anyone read that stuff on the overload site about the Buddah monks moving objects through the air with their horns?

[lucid rinehead]

man, they were academics so they can't have been too bad at learning stuff to start with...:D

[Dialect]

maybe so...but it would be good to get the full lowdown on this. knowledge is power, ignorance is well....poo:-p

[Sheridan]

hey Dave,

sorry it took so long to get back with any info.
basically my teacher said that really using any minor or diminished (diminished especially)
chords will yield you the more darker or sad notes. basically what was being stated before with the C to F# progression. he was playing us some various chords on his guitar in class and I thought that some of the diminished chords sounded kinda nice like: G# - B - D which are diminished from the A harmonic minor scale.
Also B - D - F - A which is a half diminished seventh chord from the harmonized C major scale. the minor scales over all sound a bit more twisted and not as lush as majors, with the diminished chords coming up real nasty depending on what key your in. as for any difference between western notation he said that really India is the only place where their system of notation is different and you need to do some calculations to transpose it to the more modern chromatic scale.


"when you go up to the next octave it would be out of tune with the preceeding octave. And also that no two people would tune their instruments the same, so when a get together happend they would need to tune in with each other. also due to the fact that going up or down you would end up being out of tune, melodies where never wrtited to span more than an octave and a half."

my teacher was also saying that in regards to this it was more realated to the fact that in the time of the creations of the different instruments (violin, cello, etc) the musicians playing these intruments all had a diferent perception on what middle C was. so you had a violin player saying that he was tuned to middle C and a viola saying he was in middle C and so and so forth, so basically they all had to stay within about an octave and a half of each other otherwise they would get to far out of tune with each other and the melody would collapse.

hope this helps.
talk to you later,

Ian

[Whuffle]

I know this is an ancient thread, but I was searching for something and it came up.

Are there any software sequencers, arpeggiators, basslines, or ANYTHING for that matter, that allow quarter tones? I would be facinated to have a play with ill-tempered tuning and other stuff.

[dan gulberry]

I *think* the MAPS does it:

http://www.signalarts.ca/

Maybe the P3, also. http://www.sequentix.com/

But they're both hardware sequencers.

[CV]

AC Toolbox can generate scales beyond your wildest dreams ( or nightmares )

Its LISP based, seems complicated at first, but has very good documentation and many many examples to use and adapt....

http://www.koncon.nl/ACToolbox/

[spoon]

absynth 3 is very good for odd scales, it has loads to choose from and you can tune your own if you want.

[emef]

fucking geeks GEEEKS GEEKS GEEKS

[emef]

oops double geeky post

[JE:5]

I had a dream once that i'd found the most evil sounding record in the world, it was on 12" green vinyl with no label.

Hope this helps.

[spoon]

I had a dream once that i'd found the most evil sounding record in the world, it was on 12" green vinyl with no label.

Hope this helps.

sounds like a v/vm joint!

[Whuffle]

hehe, yer all mad.


Cristian and Spoon, cheers, i'll have a play with those. :)

[yenorom]

AC Toolbox can generate scales beyond your wildest dreams ( or nightmares )

Its LISP based, seems complicated at first, but has very good documentation and many many examples to use and adapt....

http://www.koncon.nl/ACToolbox/
This app is great, just like symbolic composer except with documentation that makes sense and its free!

[JE:5]

This app is great, just like symbolic composer except with documentation that makes sense and its free!

Mac only goddamnit.

I've been really getting into writing melodies and counterpoint recently rather than just atonal stuff. I've been getting some pretty good results too, just wish I had proper studio set up to unleash my ideas properly.

[ivan]

pfffffffff. it´s obviously the E# note that they took out.


http://www.otto-tsr.com/test/kuken.gif

[JE:5]

Hahah! lol

[spoon]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/unclesven/royce.gif

[CV]

I had a dream once that i'd found the most evil sounding record in the world, it was on 12" green vinyl with no label.

Hope this helps.


I made a record back in 1993 that was on sicky green vinyl with no label - it had a message scratched into it somwhere - Inevitable Technology i think

it does sound pretty evil.

[mdk]

wuffle, remember the karplus strong .dll i gave you (the second one) that can load those .tun files...well i just found this :

http://www.camelaudio.com/community.php#bank

check out the .tun library...2911 tuning files for loading into any synth that supports .tun :)

which includes : AnaMark, VAZ Plus, 2001, Modular; Big Tick Angelina, Rainbow, Rhino; LinPlug Albino2, Alpha2, CronoX; Cameleon5000; VirSyn Cube, Tobybear Helios, TERA 2

i'll be finishing a couple of my own synthmaker synths with .tun support soon...i'll start a thread when they are ready.. :)

[ivan]

Back in the good ol´ days (1993) when they still had the E#.

*sigh*

[mim]

That would make sense. There're 5 (2+3) black keys per octave left which is just right, according to the law of fives, which is never wrong ;)

[komakid]

ligetis requiem is a real nightmare of music for me. i remember i listened it once loud on headphones and it scared the shit out of me.

[Whuffle]

nice one MDK, ty :)

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

You want to get your sen a Boîte Diabolique for the properly darkest notes.

http://polyfather.com/boite_diabolique.jpg

[Whuffle]

"Boîte Diabolique" awsome name for an album, that!

Bosendorfer Pianos have a covered set of 9 notes in the bass-end, which resonate in sympathy with the rest of the piano, giving it a seriously gothic tone. Lush. You can uncover them for hand-made nastiness.

[ckpqerjwrpwp]

"Boîte Diabolique" awsome name for an album, that!

Bosendorfer Pianos have a covered set of 9 notes in the bass-end, which resonate in sympathy with the rest of the piano, giving it a seriously gothic tone. Lush. You can uncover them for hand-made nastiness.


really? never knew that.. that is lush..

[Whuffle]

One can be yours for a mere £64,000. I have wet dreams about them.

[olv]

The devils music:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4952646.stm