Techno Presidents

[interstellarhitman]

Wouldn't it be great if Sven Vath was germany's chancellor?
Who else would be in the running for heads of state? Jeff Mills for President!! Surgeon wins landslide victory in latest general election.

Who else would represent their homelands?

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by interstellarhitman
Wouldn't it be great if Sven Vath was germany's chancellor?


WTF??????????????

NO!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the best chancellor for germany is Harald Schmidt.

väth is a bisexual and drugdestroyed who lives in the `80.....

[Weishaupt]

attention!
väth reads the board!

[interstellarhitman]

This post is merely meant in humour and stems from the DJ Rush thread where someone (I can't remember who) stated that Vath would make a good Chancellor. I did not mean to offend your German pride.
Perhaps an ill fated idea. Apologies for coming up with such a shit thread. I'll think of something better next time.

[phil]

where are u from Gaz?

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by interstellarhitman
This post is merely meant in humour and stems from the DJ Rush thread where someone (I can't remember who) stated that Vath would make a good Chancellor. I did not mean to offend your German pride.


what for a pride???....hehehehe..no..im serious.........
i dont like him coz he destroydd the german techno"scene"

i think its not a good idea that one of our "modern"dj´s become a chancelor...........

[grobelaar]

Mixing politics something I find utterly abhorrent and one of my fave things of all time - techno - nah, I'll give it a miss...

[aleks]

ibi for president!

[aleks]

Originally posted by Weishaupt



i dont like him coz he destroydd the german techno"scene"




yeah,really? why? could you please explain...

[gunjack]

dear lord.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by aleks



yeah,really? why? could you please explain...

it ought not matter, nor is it our business what väth's sexual expression is.

i don't feel that sexual preference has any bearing on one's ability to represent the voting populace in the political field.

i thought the german techno scene was still strong. there are techno nights in nearly every stadt that i know of...sure, not reknowned nights, but nevertheless a meeting of the local techno communities.

but yeah aleks, i'd like an explanation also

[marcel]

Originally posted by Weishaupt

I think the best chancellor for germany is Harald Schmidt.
hooray!

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by aleks



yeah,really? why? could you please explain...

well, hes responsible for the star cultur in the tekkno"scene"..........
everyone of this nerds will be star and that is the one of reasons why techno is dieing in germany.

i remember times..there wa sthe dj the poor guy with the recs and other ppl couldt be make party........

today the dj is THE!!! number one and this is wrong......

[marcel]

Originally posted by Weishaupt


well, hes responsible for the star cultur in the tekkno"scene"..........


shit, not hes responsible, the masses are responsible. they need their stars, they dont want to be their own stars, know what im sayin
they need their leaders

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by marcel


shit, not hes responsible, the masses are responsible. they need their stars, they dont want to be their own stars, know what im sayin
they need their leaders

thats one of the other reasons

[marcel]

thats the mainreason. its a need that has to be satisfied, doesnt matter from whom

[aleks]

that techno is dying in germany is not definitely not väth´s his fault...if the people want me to be techno-god, who am i to argue! so you cannot blame him or any other.
i think techno is still big here it has only changed a lot, well not the music but most of the crowd...it´s just a lot people are not really open-minded these days (in terms of music) and somehow it seems to be that a lot of people cannot enjoy themselves, being absorped with their ego and with a stick in their ass. i mean why do some of them drugs? it´s all about having a good time and broaden your musical horizon, isn´t it?
but it also could be that you and i or we, are just fed up with it...all that excitment is gone. been there done that blah blah. a couple of months ago i met someone who was in a techno club for the very first time and i went mental. he absolutely loved it... so it might just our perspective that changed. who knows? i don´t know...

[aleks]

and i reckon that we are a bit too spoilt here...whenever i meet someone from overseas they freak out, although the night is just below average...

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by aleks
that techno is dying in germany is not definitely not väth´s his fault...if the people want me to be techno-god, who am i to argue! so you cannot blame him or any other.


doch..i blame him and all of this "hypermoder"Dj´s here...they have a big responsible for theyr crowds. they are taking advantage of this.

[aleks]

what the heck is a hyper-modern dj?

[Weishaupt]

the ppl who play modern mass-compatible sounds...like liebing and rush. väth.......

[aleks]

if it is modern-mass compatible sound, it would be played on viva and radio all the time wouldn´t it? i don´t get your argumentation here, sounds pretty pointless to me... they played techno before and they still do, don´t they? it´s just because a lot people like that sound and they (dj´s) obviously like it too or do you have any proof that they don´t? what if the "mass-compatible sound" as you call it, will be the brighton sound in two months, will you blame cristian or anyone else for being hyper-modern and all that?
it cannot be that bad if a lot of people listen to that stuff, because it´s just a thin line from loop-based stuff to other forms of electronic music...

[wheezer]

and i reckon that we are a bit too spoilt here...

this is true.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by aleks
ibi for president!

.... Ibi is in the White House lol
Jamie Lidell, Secretary of the Treasure
Cristian Vogel, Minister of Education
Pablo Fiasco, Secretary of FINE arts
And Miss Mira Calix, the First Lady


....

Gaz...it's a fun thread...i like it

[grobelaar]

Anarchy Rules... open decks night for President...

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by aleks
if it is modern-mass compatible sound, it would be played on viva and radio all the time wouldn´t it? i don´t get your argumentation here, sounds pretty pointless to me... they played techno before and they still do, don´t they? it´s just because a lot people like that sound and they (dj´s) obviously like it too or do you have any proof that they don´t? what if the "mass-compatible sound" as you call it, will be the brighton sound in two months, will you blame cristian or anyone else for being hyper-modern and all that?
it cannot be that bad if a lot of people listen to that stuff, because it´s just a thin line from loop-based stuff to other forms of electronic music...

we talk not about viva musik. we are talk about the attitude of the ppl, ok?
well, the modernmusic have easy structures , easy to understand..easy for the masses....they show us feelings wich we know.....there is nothing new......ok?

what the heck is that a question about no-future?tz..aleks..i thought u know me better.....i dont like all sounds i hear......and im one of the ppl who said that is good and that is not so good and that is crap. i have not the problem to say what i think to cristian or emma...maybe u have a problem with it or some of the other "music-experts" in this thread...................i hope, we understand us

respectfully

dein dich liebender adam

[interstellarhitman]

Originally posted by phil
where are u from Gaz?

I live in the UK, Phil, near a city called Leeds.

At least this thread has managed to provoke some topical discussion unlike some more recent threads.
I'd still better work on something better for my next topic of discussion.

[aleks]

Originally posted by Weishaupt


we talk not about viva musik. we are talk about the attitude of the ppl, ok?
well, the modernmusic have easy structures , easy to understand..easy for the masses....they show us feelings wich we know.....there is nothing new......ok?

what the heck is that a question about no-future?tz..aleks..i thought u know me better.....i dont like all sounds i hear......and im one of the ppl who said that is good and that is not so good and that is crap. i have not the problem to say what i think to cristian or emma...maybe u have a problem with it or some of the other "music-experts" in this thread...................i hope, we understand us

respectfully
dein dich liebender adam

ok, i see what you mean by mass-compatible,but i still don´t get the other points...what has got the attitude of certain people to do with the structure of music?and what is that attitude? just because it is "simple" it´s not good or destroyed the techno-scence? has music always to be new and complicated? i like "simple" music sometimes...what´s wrong with that? am i also guilty of destroying the techno-scence then?

the question about NF, hasn´t got anything to do with your attitude towards this kind of music, my friend ,it was more or less a question that implied that you shouldn´t blame people for something for what they cannot be blamed for...

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by aleks


ok, i see what you mean by mass-compatible,but i still don´t get the other points...what has got the attitude of certain people to do with the structure of music?and what is that attitude? just because it is "simple" it´s not good or destroyed the techno-scence? has music always to be new and complicated? i like "simple" music sometimes...what´s wrong with that? am i also guilty of destroying the techno-scence then?

the question about NF, hasn´t got anything to do with your attitude towards this kind of music, my friend ,it was more or less a question that implied that you shouldn´t blame people for something for what they cannot be blamed for...

ok aleks, i think, the attitude of the most people are trivial and unreal.
the same with the sound. when my sound is trivial, it have the chance, that lots of ppl here this.......is it complicatet...not so much ppl want this hear....

u ask why.......

well, the reason is the attiude....."what is the sound for and what im for the sound". "what want i from the sound"What want i for me"...?...........
the answer is in the cognition of the point, where u stay at the moment.
teh most ppl havent not this toughst and believe what they see. why not? it is easy...it have a easy structure and its easy to get.

it needs a mental process.

sometimes u hear easy music? fine..me too...sometimes when i need boredom, i hear it or i read the bild-zeitung.....

but u see whats happens in your heart and in your soul. all ppl have it but not all ppl can see this.

u are open minded, u know abou to use your mental faculties ....
and u know when u dont need them.

[aleks]

music is there to give you a good feeling,innit? at least that´s the case for me.,if it´s not about that what else? so why does music/sound has to be complicated?if people enjoy that simple stuff... good for them. simple isn´t necessarily boring , is it? big up to someone who creates a simple loop that blows me away. what about that?

but i still don´t get what all this has to do with your suggestion of them guys killing the techno-scence. you can send me an email with your manifestation on german, maybe i can get it then...

[Weishaupt]

tschääk pm

[thesnailsshow]

I agree with weishaupt regarding people's attitude, but I also agree with aleks: you can't blame "superstar dj's for creating that kind of attitude in the people.
I think that closing your mind to other kinds of music, no matter if it's more complex or easier to understand is something VERY VERY stupid, but that comes from people themselves. Techno is not the case here in Mexico, is some kind of industrial trance stuff that people LOVES down here. Allright, maybe it's good for dancing, but now they listen to it 0-Day: For sleeping, eating, waking up, in the radio, etc.
Yeah, I like techno for dancing, or sometimes for walking, but certainly I don't play a banging techno mixtape to just sit in my house and listen to it.
But when I go to a friends house, where there is always people talking and listening to "Psy-Trance", and I switch the music for something more "listening friendly" People start making the tipical acts: "what the fuck is that ??", "That's not music", "change it for something REAL".... yeah right, for those people the only REAL thing is that trance Stuff.
I also think that DJ's are not always listening to the music they play. Recently I read an interview made to Infected Mushroom (a trance band) and they said. Yes, We make danceable trance music, but, obviously, we don't listen to that !!
I think it's the same people the one that is destroying music, and... what da fuck ??? If people doesn't want to listen to other stuff... easy... Fuck them.

[Lady E]

i think the cult of the superstar dj was pretty inevitable, just as is its decline...things go in phases culturally / musically dont they? garage rock is the 'new' thing now despite being incredibly old...its good but i cant BEAR the hype machines and it makes me just totally turned off to all this stuff. i saw the yeah yeah yeahs play at the freebutt in brighton over a year ago and they were fantastic but i feel spectacularly underwhelmed by the prospect of their new album

whatever you say about sven, and i really dont think he has the time to read this board - he has always supported our music.

[MUX]

once talked to him bout the board, he was 'aware' of it

[MUX]

yeah emma uk now your were the first time i heard about that band... six months before i saw them in style mags looking glam and all kool.... cant forget a band name like that..

[interstellarhitman]

If I understand this right, the mere fact that someone would even consider a DJ as a head of state suggests that the "super-star" DJs have reached the point of infamy and are idolised to some extent. Techno DJs in the UK are not held in as high regard as techno DJs in some other countries, although this is gradually changing as established techno DJs gain the recognition they deserve.

So this begs the question: why are DJs portrayed in such a light? Is it due to the fact that pepople go out clubbing as a form of escapism and the DJs they see provide them with a form of mental escape? Has it progressed from that point and a DJs 'stardom' is now determined by his marketing campaign and by how good his agent is at getting him exposure?

Emma mentioned the hype surrounding the 'Yeah, yeah, yeah's' album. Can a DJs status and popularity be determined by his hype as oppose to his actuall skill (take one look at Judge Jules and Fergie)? In the UK we have gradually seen more and more music bieng influenced by what could be classified as techno. Radio DJs
(such as JJ and Fergie) have not only started to play (emphasis on 'play', not mix) techno tracks in their sets but they have also been getting proper techno DJs on their shows as guests.

Now we are at the point were the music press in the UK (namely Mixmag) are telling us that techno is the 'next big thing.' It struck me as particularly audacious when Mixmag dubbed the resurgence of techno in the UK as "The Great Techno Crossover." Pretty soon all the magazines are in on the act, releasing CDs on their covers by techno artists, putting more release info on techno artists in their pages and even trying to tell us (the music listening public) what tunes qualify as techno classics.

Will it work though? Will all of this exposure and hype actually make more people listen to techno in this country, or will there just be another exodus of millions of sheep herded into the next fad that they were told to listen to. I remember been stood outside Gatecrasher in Sheffield 5 years ago promoting a techno night and when I told people what sort of music it was, they immediately shunned it as bieng "bang, bang, bang music" or "2Unlimited." Needless to say I had to control my anger at their ignorance. This was an example of the hype machine in reverse, though.

For so long people thought techno was something it wasn't; because they hadn't been told what it was. The music press ,for so many years, gave techno a very brief overview and never really went too indepth into it roots and influences. The same crowd of people who were so ready to dis techno 4 or 5 years ago might now say "ohh, I love techno, it's great, Fergie plays it all the time" or something like that.

I work at Innercity records in Leeds (www.innercity.co.uk , shamless plug) and after JJ started playing the odd techno track and Fergie had Ben Simms and then Ade Fenton on his show, people started coming into the shop and asking for "techno like what Judge Jules plays." These people don't know any better. I can only hope that I can influence them in some way so as to stop listening to some bigheaded nob jockey and instead start making up their own minds on what is good and what isn't.

Admittedly, techno is not as widely accepted in the UK as it is in most of Europe, so i can only comment on my thoughts of the UK techno scene, but what I do know is that in the UK techno DJs are respected for their talent and ability and not how many stadium gigs and cheesy mega raves they play at, as seems to be the case with so many other "super-star" DJs. Even the term "superstar" DJ is something created by the media to make it easier for them to refer to the big league circuit DJs.

The music media have created these super-stars for all of us to idolise. They tell us who is good, who isn't and don't give a second thought to any genre that is currently "out of fashion." In much the same way celebrities have magazines dedicated to gossip and other mindless drivel relating to who they buy their milk from and so on, DJ and club culture has shrouded itself in it's own self importance. It no longer matters if a DJ is any good or not (or at least it's alot further down the list); what matters now is how good a DJ appears to be.

I have stood and watched JJ playing live and I have listened objectively. None of his mixes were longer than 8 bars (1 cycle) and yet, as if to add to my disgust further, people in the crowd were still saying "he's good at mixing isn't he?" Of course I disagreed quite stongly and gave them a crash course in the basics in the hope that I might be able to shine some light into their dull lives. If people are constantly told that JJ is good at mixing, they give up the right to decide for themselves. They simply believe what they are told and are content with that knowledge, never questioning in the fear that thy may be shunned by their peers.
If only they knew the truth.

[bitch one]

a most intelligent discourse there mr hitman.

however - one point. i would say that the same forces obvious in the world of superstar dj's are also at work in the 'credible' dj world. people go to see jeff mills - they all know in advance that they are supposed to be blown away. the man's reputation fosters a certain amount of anticipatory excitement in the crowd. would the atmosphere be as good if it was some unkown person doing exactly the same thing? i doubt it.

eg - i remember a gig some time ago where dj skull was meant to be playing. loads of people afterwards remarked how good he was. but actually dj skull never turned up - it was shandy. but if it had just said 'shandy' on the flyer, i bet half those people would not have gone.

ie, the hype machine is quite important in 'credible' circles too. it's what makes people get excited about gigs.

gawd, i'm probably statin the utterly obvious here as usual

[invisibleplanet]

i like it b1...i have a PhD in 'stating the bleeding obvious', and it's good to know i'm not alone ;)

[M H]

Originally posted by interstellarhitman
Now we are at the point were the music press in the UK (namely Mixmag) are telling us that techno is the 'next big thing.'


Trouble is, the people who are doing something really innovative and different are often overlooked in the wash of hype that surrounds this kind of thing...

[philsmum]

Originally posted by interstellarhitman
Now we are at the point were the music press in the UK (namely Mixmag) are telling us that techno is the 'next big thing.'

why do u care about mixmag? why does other peoples tastes bother you?

[emef]

i might be wrong but i dont think the techno, judge jules and fergie are playing,is the same techno that is favoured on this board, so fuck mixmag and most of the other shit monthlies...i wouldn`t even wipe my arse with them.
(owww the papercuts)

[interstellarhitman]

Originally posted by philsmum
Originally posted by interstellarhitman
Now we are at the point were the music press in the UK (namely Mixmag) are telling us that techno is the 'next big thing.'

why do u care about mixmag? why does other peoples tastes bother you?

I am somewhat dubious now of any posts made by any user containing the letters p, h,i and l; but in answer to your question Phil: it is not other peoples tastes that are bothering me. It is the fact that they are frequently told what to like and what not to like. This is not their taste but somebody elses taste/opnion/view bieng pushed apon them. Mixmag does have a large readership and thus it's influence can affect many people and this is not something that can be ignored.

I attempt to form opinions on facts and experience, not from what someone else tells me is right or wrong, so it bothers me when the music press have such a narrow minded and temporary approach to music.

Perhaps Mixmag would be best at use in the public lavatories of the world, emef. I can't say if the techno such DJs play is favoured more or less by the users on this board, but it does have a knock-on effect towards the scene as a whole. People in general need to be shown that techno is a broad band specification which has no specifc defining point. Some people might not even call what you produce techno (although to most of us it is), perhaps the music press will cotton onto this and give every piece of music it's own sub category within which it can be filed away (twisted-electro-techno springs to mind.)

In the case of Jeff Mills, his reputation preceeds him. Even from his early days as the Wizard on the radio in Detroit, he was gathering a reputation as an innovator and experimental artist, mixing many different genres into one set, fully utilising the tools at his disposal. I think that any individual who is prepareed to push boundaries in such a fashion will, inevitably, get recognised in one form or another, regardless of their current reputation.

The hype machine does work both ways, but the balance is not equal by any means.

[Yer_Maw]

Originally posted by emma
garage rock is the 'new' thing now despite being incredibly old...its good but i cant BEAR the hype machines and it makes me just totally turned off to all this stuff. i saw the yeah yeah yeahs play at the freebutt in brighton over a year ago and they were fantastic but i feel spectacularly underwhelmed by the prospect of their new album


why do you think just because something is hyped it must mean its crap? the yeah yeah yeahs are pretty good imho and even if they were on top of the pops id still think the same because the music is no different, and thats what matters.

plus i think fischersponner are good. fuck the hype, i dont care, there are some good songs on there.

[Yer_Maw]

Originally posted by emef
i might be wrong but i dont think the techno, judge jules and fergie are playing,is the same techno that is favoured on this board, so fuck mixmag and most of the other shit monthlies...i wouldn`t even wipe my arse with them.
(owww the papercuts)

yeah its took them a while but they finally caught on to :minimal techno, the new sensation straight from scandinavia! Drumcode 57 JJ Vs pete Tong

:)

[bitch one]

have u heard 'irk the purists' by half man half biscuit? it's hilarious.

[Lady E]

yer_maw - i dont think anything hyped is necessarily crap. on the contrary a lot of hyped music is really good - but because it can never be as good as its made out to be for me, it quickly loses its place in my music playing repertoire. the strokes, badly drawn boy, the streets are all recent examples of this...they are so immediately good they quickly pall.

it also means its easy to become very tired of something before you've even heard it. ive been told how amazing the yeah yeah yeahs are over and over again via a range of media. i know the album will be good (although i doubt it will be saying much that's new) i just cant face it right now. its overkill and you know the nme etc will start the backlash soon

im really into that music, and have been for years. i cant enjoy its days in the sun knowing the almighty backlash about to come in a couple of years, or sooner, time. i cant help feeling protective about it.

i dont think hyping is the only way to treat music. it assumes people are stupid, puts unsustainable emphasis on certain music above others to the detriment of everyone involved in music..its a forced situation. its not inevitable and it doesnt have to be this way.

by contrast, as much as i despise the ideology of most of the UK music press, i would love to see some neglected UK talent getting their dues there because i know no matter what happens, mr vogel et al are not going to ever be acceptable to the mainstream doing techno. i just cant see abstract wonky techno being hyped to the level of the strokes, free cds on the front of the times etc.

i know that sounds like elitism, but the way the music press in this country works is oppositional - now we've got garage rock, everyone must now hate dance music. liking this means that is shit...etc - and i, and most people i know, just dont work like that. independent album labels i love and respect from the bottom of my heart like domino, matador, thrill jockey, city slang etc - release a range of awesome music of all types and dont have a problem doing so. why does everything have to be compartmentalised all the time?

grrrr. rant over.

[thesnailsshow]

Originally posted by Yer_Maw


yeah its took them a while but they finally caught on to :minimal techno, the new sensation straight from scandinavia! Drumcode 57 JJ Vs pete Tong

:)

Is this true ??? The new drumcode is JJ vs Pete Tong ???
YUGh !
What is becoming this music ?
Can you tell me where is this information published ?

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.urban75.org/dj/images/home01.gif (http://www.urban75.org/dj/index.html)

Fed up with these rich tossers turning up for ten minutes and then swanning off to count their money?

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by emma
whatever you say about sven, and i really dont think he has the time to read this board - he has always supported our music.

that is the reason why i respect him.............ok..one of the reasons

[Yer_Maw]

Originally posted by thesnailsshow


Is this true ??? The new drumcode is JJ vs Pete Tong ???
YUGh !
What is becoming this music ?
Can you tell me where is this information published ?

nah, it was a joke

[Yer_Maw]

@emma. well why dont you start a trend, forsee a new market and package wonky techno for a mass audience! :) $$$

i see what your saying and it is dissapointing that bands quickly fade because theyve been hyped. But hey the strokes wrote a few good songs, and i dont really care that their 4th album "conceptualising pubic hair" will never see the light of day. :)However guess that your garage-rock fashion hatred is personal, just like my METAL loving mate who wanted to kill the guy who thought up Nu-metal. So i wont push the matter :)