Heavenly Bodies and Animal Tendencies...

[invisibleplanet]

I searched on the forum, and I couldn't find anything about this so far in the history of erutufon so..

Does anyone here place any credence on Astrology, either Chinese/Vedic/Arabic or Western?

Do any of you have an interest in the stars to a deeper degree than Daily Rag predictions, or do you think it's now an outmoded science, which has been replaced, in part, by the relatively recent birth of psychology?

[phil]

Finally some intelligent conversation to galvanise my soul.

I love the milky way it's like a a big, translucent pancake.

Do you know why stars flicker?

It's due to turbulence in the atmosphere. It's just like how things look wavy when you look over a hot grill in the summer, only on a smaller scale.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

I don't believe you can divide the world's population into tweleve star signs, however I do believe that planetary movement can effect us. I have said this before, but if the moon effects tides then how does it effect us considering our biological make up?

[filthydave]

spot on basic

the stuff in tabloids is especially shite but while still dealing in generalisations a proper birthchart does make interesting reading

an interesting thing about chinese astrology is that they take into account 'invisible stars' ones that should be there but aren't
it's almost as if they were there originally but have long since burnt out and are no longer visible
considering the amount of time it takes for the light and therefore their energy to reach us normally it's not that much of a leap to realise that energy is still arriving long after they've disappeared to the eye

[grunder]

you are not dividing the population in to twelve only the year .

i am very afected by the moon it mostly creeps up on me.. the feeling of being real unstable and genoraly being a little off key in the brain.

then to discover that it is full moon........

[phil]

dave, didnt your mum get arrested for mooning when see looked out the window?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Originally posted by grunder
you are not dividing the population in to twelve only the year .



With the Zodiac each person falls into one of twelve categories. Chinese astrology deals with years.

[invisibleplanet]

well, actually, with planetary astrology, there ARE twelve signs, yes, but there are also twelve ascendents, and several planets and stars to take into consideration too!

with chinese astrology, there are twelve animal signs, but also there are twelve ascendents to take into account.

for example....all newspaper/magazine astrology is calculated for ascendent sign, and not sun sign. so if you are a scorpio, and you read the scorpio sign, the interpretation can only be applicable if you are also a scorpio ascendent. If you are a scorpio with a leo ascendent, then the leo interpretation is the one you need to read.

[Lady E]

its well known that the lunar cycle affects women and their mentrual periods. you can regulate them by mimicking the moon's cycle with a lamp you keep on all night with different shapes over it. i dont know why that still might work but the body is susceptible to these things - for example, shining light on the backs of the knees is a good cure for jet lag.

its this relationship with the moon that renders the term 'lunatic' feminine as women were deemed to be moonly...the sun is figured as masculine by contrast

we all know it can get pretty crazy around a full moon.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Yes, the "dabs" terrify me.

[dirtyho]

don't women's menstrual cycles synchronise after living together for a while too?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

That is only a marekting ploy to get you to buy loads of the same kind of shinpads....

lol

[invisibleplanet]

this happens among women friends...it's a sign of harmony and solidarity if we all bleed at the same time, i guess.

during operations at full moon it has been noticed by the medical profession, that people bleed more profusely.
another 'myth' that has proved true, is that knives are indeed sharper at the full moon..

[platinumray]

my girl friend claims that women's menstrual cycles get affected by living with other women. she says that when our female friends come to stay with us her cycle gets disrupted. if this is true it's an amazing phenomenon. is this true?

[invisibleplanet]

yes, it's true

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
this happens among women friends...it's a sign of harmony and solidarity if we all bleed at the same time

right on sister!!

I guess it helps to blame each other for the smell of fish.





JOKE

[platinumray]

my question got answered while i was writing it. but wow, so it is true. m'lady says wierd things like that all the time and i never know if she's spoofing me or not.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

They play on them too. I'm the No. #1 sucker round my house!!

[emef]

i think astrology has as much basis in fact as religion does.

do any of the women on the board know for a fact(not just second hand stories) about the synchro menstruation, has it happened to you personally?
i had heard of it but always kinda thought it was more like an urban myth.

if it really is true...thats well spooky.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

I think it is very plausible, but there are a lot of strange occurences like that that bond us. Only a very small percentage of human interaction is (hands-on) physical or verbal.

[dirtyho]

My ex will testify to the veracity of such occurences ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

i grew up in a metaphysical home, with parents and grandparents that all read tarot, and do natal charts. so its kind of old, and normal. accually boring if you'd care to know. the real stuff that turns me on, regarding metaphysic's is vedic thought and basic taoism. simply put these are the fundamentals i wish to associate my daily steps with.

eventhough the stars and what not and other "mystical" things are appealing, they hold only a temporary curiousity for myself. but yes to some degree, the stars hold a placement for myself as well as many others, but talking about it on an "ego" level kind of makes things very unattractive.

stars fall as they may, planets turn, you will die. for the person asscoiated with these experences is also temporary.

[gunjack]

dang john.

[pille'ocheoni]

heheh:)

[bitch one]

astrology=kack

however all of my family are taureans, and we certainly all know how to bullshit.

[invisibleplanet]

I look at the attributes of the many human character descriptions which have been documented by all branches of astrologiy, and see that it has been researched over many millenia, has been conducted thoroughly, using scientific methods.

Perhaps the method that the astrologers use to distribute these characteristics according to planetary placings is now flawed in that certain scientific changes (such as the precession of the equinoxes) has not been taken into account in the West, whilst Vedic (indian) astrology has taken this cyclic change into account.

Even so, I believe that these characteristics are valid observations on human nature and behaviour.

[Hiro]

I don't necessarily read the weekly predictions in the local free-mag- but, my friend once did a chart for me- and what I heard managed to momentarily freeze my dubious dance.

...Of course... I do believe in magic-

From my experience- the synching of the cycles for girls who spend a lot of time together is true. Sometimes it is good to have the company in the emotional flake time.

Nice thread IP!

[Lady E]

yes the synchronised 'slam in the lamb' time is true...happened to me many a time
it must have some function...cant think what though.

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by filthydave
spot on basic
an interesting thing about chinese astrology is that they take into account 'invisible stars' ones that should be there but aren't
it's almost as if they were there originally but have long since burnt out and are no longer visible
considering the amount of time it takes for the light and therefore their energy to reach us normally it's not that much of a leap to realise that energy is still arriving long after they've disappeared to the eye

Not sure if that adds up...

If the 'energy' travels at the speed of light, then if the energy can only be arriving while the body is visible...

If the 'energy' pervades the cosmos in the state it is in at the moment of say your birth (ie travels at infinite speed)... then that just provides even more difficulties... as you would have to remove bodies that might already have been destroyed (you won't know because the light of them intact will still be travelling toward us) and add bodies that may have just come into existence (once again we won't know they are there because the light from them won't have arrived here yet).

I'm assuming that the energy travels at the speed of light, but this still leaves us in a unique position as the different bodies as astrological charts are based on the position of heavenly bodies at a certain moment... of course due to vastness of the universe and the fact that some bodies are closer and other further away - this visual picture of the universe is an illusion - it cannot and probably never will exist... So the positioning of heavens are just a sort of massive encryption key...

Maybe I've got my rational head on today...

[grobelaar]

Its the I Ching that amazes me - how did all them wise dudes come up with it in the first place... over all that time too... (we don't do that any more do we - take on endevours that last longer than a single human's lifetime)

...its a spooky thing - like a real magic book...

[dirtyho]

They came up with it through divining by heating ox shoulder blades and reading meaning into the cracks that formed. Thats the theory at the moment I think.

[invisibleplanet]

i think the i ching is the sum of thousands of years of divinitory and shamanistic practise: omens, spells, and images, which have their origins in an oral tradition, and then was symbolicised as time progressed. I think it was Wu Hsien (Conjoing Shaman) who developed the yarrow stalk divination technique which replaced the ox blade/tortoiseshell heat method, which was carried out by placing a bronze rod onto the shell/bone, and reading the cracks produced. I think the bone method was used for 700+ years before it was replaced by the yarrow method.

that's about the sum of my knowledge!

[dirtyho]

It's all crazy Taoist shit
Those guys were in tune with the natural world
Apparently you still get Taoist hermits in the wu-dang mountains in China, but they tend to leave their caves for a bit and disappear if other people turn up.

[stu pitaus]

Originally posted by platinumray
my girl friend claims that women's menstrual cycles get affected by living with other women. she says that when our female friends come to stay with us her cycle gets disrupted. if this is true it's an amazing phenomenon. is this true?

yeah and if hers is getting jarred, then at least 1 female in the group will not be affected and age is not a factor. so you can throw 5 girls in a close living environment and they will follow the dominate. i consider it a blessing from God this phenomenon happens cause i wouldnt want to be the only male in that environment and have all them girls gettin their own seperate week. could you imagine the attitude?

i am currently following black holes and anti matter in regards to new studies with certain astrophysics experts. its kindof thought provoking, if not true, that every galaxy has a black hole and is figured to be the garbage disposal/drain spout of the galaxies if you will.. spiraling in all the waste like and spitting out matter at high velocities in the perpendicular dirction from the absolute center of the black hole itself. thats the basic of it, but theres tons more and bunches of fancy words that keep my attention just long enough to be interested.


***edited the first mention of galaxy from saying solar system. thanks mr.mashup! dont know what/if i was thinking.

[grobelaar]

Eh, black-holes in solar systems??? You mean centre of galaxies...


Black Holes, I don't think they exist -rather than hoovering up the universes detritus, its just a phenamonon invented by physicists to neatly suck up the numbers in their calculations that don't add up... As always please don't get carried away - this is jsut one of my wacky ideas... I'm not being 'too' serious...

[invisibleplanet]

perhaps the black hole (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2636537.stm) is where the dark matter congregates?

(Dark matter is one of the greatest mysteries of modern science. Although it is invisible, its gravitational effects lead astronomers to believe it makes up at least 90% of the mass of the Universe. read more... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/670207.stm))

[stu pitaus]

nah i see what u mean. the thing i hate about black hole 'talk' is the it sucks in everything even ... LIGHT! nothing escapes the evil clutches of a ... BLACK HOLE!

to quote phil 'zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz'

but this new type shit is totally wicked mr mash. you would be captivated i assure you. well, youd comment at the very least.

[MUX]

cristisn once very drunkenly/stoned/both how the moon was affecting him that day,,, i was kinda starstruck tho so dont remeber what is was about exactly