Really Gay Thread

[invisibleplanet]

This is quite a rare moment for the board.
There are several topics on the front page, making fun of, or using the comment 'GAY' or 'FAGGOT' as an insult, and I wondered what other members, when not jibing and jesting really truly think of homosexuality?

Please share your thoughts and opinions on homosexuality here.
Do you know any gay people? Do you feel threatened or repulsed by one of humanities gender/sexuality expressions?

Were you aware that a whole tribe of Afghan people practise homosexuality because of the severe Islamic restrictions surrounding aquiring a wife (and not because they choose to be homosexual, but because they need to express their sexuality regardless).

Were you also aware, that in the Greek/Sparta region, during the Trojan wars, homosexuality had become so prevalent, that the birth rate dropped to 0, until the state outlawed heterosexuality (which of course, caused everyone to break the law, and increase the birth rate once more).

Do you believe that people are born gay, or do you think it's a conscious choice they make as their sexuality blossoms?

dul dull dull

[decadnids]

I think the term gay, is more based on british play ground humour from 80's etc. as that term would be used all the time,
"oh thats so gay"
but I dont see it is being against homosexuals. its like the term bummer and stuff like that.

[pille'ocheoni]

psychology sucks. its truely the most "insecure" study of humans

[tsr_tomas]

oj, i thoúght gay meant Happy...thats accordning to my swe-eng book least.

[decadnids]

gay can mean happy...

[Marolo]

I don't think sexuality is an option or a choice. Most evidence supports the theory that sexuality is innately determined. I think the idea that homosexuality is socially determined (i.e peculiar parenting or atypical conditioning) is quite old-fashioned.
I really don't understand why people still make such an issue out of people's sexuality.
la di da di

[Lady E]

thanks for raising the tone ip - god you lot piss me off. it can be amusing but you just take it too fucking far and i am embarassed to be anything to do with this board sometimes - its like being in the playground with 9 year old boys - NOT somewhere i want to be again.

GROW UP

[mr franks]

...IP - i was aware that the spartans, like the romans and greeks actively encouraged homosexuality, i think with the spartans (very warlike race) they encouraged homosexuality at one point to bolster faith between warriors. with the romans homosexuality was a social issue, it was seen as a form of contraception. (for the upper classes anyhow) interesting to hear you say spartans outlawed homosexuality due to dropping birth rates, not because they saw it as deviant behaviour.
the romans outlawed homosexuality once christianity took hold of their empire...

i had also read that the Pashtun region of afganistan has a culture of homosexuality that was an accepted part of their culture untill the jihad with the russians in the 80's (in which my dad fought) wiped it out.

as for the question of if ppl are born gay or not, im not sure , but i dont think a gay person is a product of their enviroment, rather genetics etc....

[decadnids]

interesting stuff Mr Franks.
it would be interesting to see if the percentage of homosexuals over history in societies changes much.

emma, I think this thread is quite serious, the people who have posted are given valid information and opinions. I can understand your frustration tho.

The Knights Templar where accused of being homosexual. their emblem was two knights riding together on a horse.

[Lady E]

i know this thread is serious, im referring to all the other millions of posts that use 'gay' as a schoolboy kneejerk beavis and butthead response

heres the thing: i do that too SOMETIMES. ive got a lot of gay friends who do it. but that's in private, between people who understand that its a joke.

this is a public space and im not at all up for policing people's language but when it gets just continual it starts to become not only VERY BORING but bordering on offensive. if you substituted gay for any racist term you would see how offensive this could be to an outsider. please dont forget we have many guests on this board who dont always post.

we've been through this all before, i would hope none of you are actually homophobic but obviously its more than possible some of you are. whatever, im sure you can find something more interesting to say than this or that is 'gay'

although withthe recent phil / philly t / philly thing i wouldnt be surprised if every interesting person from this board just left out of sheer boredom.

[invisibleplanet]

²mr.franks: thanks for filling in the blanks! I read about these also, but my memory seems more sketchy, and my tale recant incomplete!

²decadnids: now that percentage populus homosexuality statistic would be an interesting find....

in the meantime, i found this: Saint Aelred the Queer:
The Surprising History of Homosexuality and Homophobia
(http://www.bidstrup.com/phobiahistory.htm) which I haven't read all the way through yet, so I don't know how balanced it's presentation is!

[invisibleplanet]

emma, I agree with your sentiments regarding the use of the term gay as a replacement for an insult, and I don't think the silent majority will stop reading the many posts here because of a few silly phillys.

[dirtyho]

There was no concept of homosexuality in England (i.e. defining a deviant sexuality framed in pseudo-medical terms) until the victorians. Before that there was just sexualities - england was was a very bawdy place in georgian times - brighton must have been fun then! I must admit I have felt guilty sometimes about my pejorative use of the word gay - but I don't do it that much. I have gay friends and they don't seem to mind that much - but that's probably because they know I don't really have a prejudice againt homosexuals - pretty difficult living in kemptown.

[arar]

...I suppose my views on the constant unfunny use of "Gay" "Faggot" etc are well known, Im glad someone else has raised it, it just gets depressing having to complain about this kind of thing all the time..its not big, its not cleaver, its not hard and its not funny..if you feel gulity after using the words as you describe dirtyho, dont do it! Its all a rather cheap wind up..but sometimes youve got to react to windups because if you ignore things you run the risk of condoning them..nuff said.

[dirtyho]

I'm don't feel that guilty mate

[dirtyho]

Personally I don't like policing of language - I wouldn't call a black person a nigger and I wouldn't call a gay person a faggot but thats my decision. I don't think the use of gay in this way is a problem unless you overdo it - mostly it's just light-hearted fun - no malice intended.

[karitek]

honestly, the use as 'gay' 'faggot' etc as insults does offend me and has put me off the board a bit. i think people underestimate the power of language and part of me feels that everytime someone uses one of those terms negatively (even as a joke), the queer movement is set back a bit by creating an environment that people dont feel comfortable and safe in. the leading cause of teen suicides is the fact that they are gay and dont feel comfortable in coming out. this is serious shit.

i definitely think that it is a genetically determined thing. there have been loads of studies on this - other animals show homosexual impulses at the same rate as humans (one out of ten humans is supposedly gay).

[phil]

ducky

[gunjack]

Originally posted by dirtyho
Personally I don't like policing of language



agreed.

[karitek]

i dont like the policing of language at all either, but i do think that people should be made aware of how their language makes other people feel, and then they can choose what they want to do after that.

[grobelaar]

Lots of people seem to get the idea that I am gay - at my old job most of the the company thought I was gay, and it was quite a homophobic place too - I thought I'd got away from all this but I found out the other week that some people I know in London thought I was gay... Let me just set the record straight, while I may not be the most veracious of heterosexuals - I'M NOT GAY.

Not that I have anything against homosexuals, one of my best mates has been staying with me for the last couple of months is gay, he's been sleeping on my spare mattress while he gets his feet, and more importantly a deposit for a place to live in London. Obviously this probably isn't helping the public perception of my sexuality - but just in case people didn't get this the first time - I'M NOT GAY!

Like I say I don't have anything against gay people just that it rather seems to be getting in the way of me finding some girl to have my wikked way with - so just to reiterate - for the girls - I'M NOT GAY, YES DO FEEL THREATENED, NO DO NOT RING ME UP AND ASK IF I'D LIKE TO GO SHOPPING WITH YOU!!

erm, its all gone a bit Eric Cartman... oh well... :)

[stu pitaus]

but we need people like emma and cris moderating this board, and i have to say they are pretty tolerant and clear headed with the forum.

when you got someone like emma sayin enuf is enuf, to me... i know its been already past enuf. i think its a tough position to try and host and mingle and maintain harmony.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by karitek
honestly, the use as 'gay' 'faggot' etc as insults does offend me and has put me off the board a bit. i think people underestimate the power of language and part of me feels that everytime someone uses one of those terms negatively (even as a joke), the queer movement is set back a bit by creating an environment that people dont feel comfortable and safe in. the leading cause of teen suicides is the fact that they are gay and dont feel comfortable in coming out. this is serious shit.

thanks for saying this, karitek!

I'm, 100% in harmony with your view here.

I also don't like policing of language, and wouldn't condone censorship, however, fewer homophobic insults would make for a more pleasureable read, don't you think?

Has anyone had a read of The Surprising History of Homosexuality and Homophobia yet?

[dirtyho]

I also think moderation is necessary on boards like this, I'm just not into the whole "PC" thought police thing. I don't throw "this is gay that is gay" around indiscriminately. But if I was to use it in the context of friendly banter and somebody really thought worse of me afterwards, I would value their opinion less.

[dirtyho]

However agreed that having eight "this is gay" threads on the front page of the forum is FUCKING BORING

[jukka]

Originally posted by stu pitaus
but we need people like emma and cris moderating this board, and i have to say they are pretty tolerant and clear headed with the forum.

when you got someone like emma sayin enuf is enuf, to me... i know its been already past enuf. i think its a tough position to try and host and mingle and maintain harmony.

word stu !

and this nearly never happens they are saying that it is enough !

[emef]

as for me...all joking aside, i have no problems with people who are gay.
it doesn`t even figure in my thinking when i meet gay people.
its more important to me to know whether they are a nice person or a twat.

[JE:5]

People are just like music, there is good music and there is bad music........

[marcel]

Originally posted by emma
its like being in the playground with 9 year old boys - NOT somewhere i want to be again.

GROW UP
yeah, i thought the same. the board has become strange in the last time from time to time.
to the topic: it doesnt matter to me if someone's gay or not
Originally posted by JE:5 People are just like music, there is good music and there is bad music
thats it

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by JE:5
People are just like music, there is good music and there is bad music........

...and there's music you just have to have...

[LEFTHANDLOU]

I don't understand why we have to be so Politically correct all the time. I think that stinks. I don't care what word you use to describe it, it is not going to change peoples opinion on it. It only hides peoples real view on the subject. So a true homophobe is going to use a different term to describe it in public, but his view on whether its right or wrong is not going to change.
So if your gay or homosexual or whatever you should have enough guts to not give a fuck what people say, thats just their opinion, unless you are insecure with your sexuality and have doubt about whether you are doing the right thing or not.
We are all different and there are terms that describe all of us, we can't dictate what terms people want to use, and we can't change peoples views.

[karitek]

I believe people should be able to say what they want to say as well, but I am standing up for myself and saying that it offends me, and I am sure there are others on the board that it offends as well.
And, yes, some people are insecure about their sexuality – it is a very normal process to go through, especially given that we don’t live in a very open society. And to expect people to not ever be insecure about their sexuality is pretty naïve.
I do think you can change people’s views by exposing them to different ideas and people. Hell, I know that my views have changed over my lifetime – I used to be much more conservative, growing up with parents who are personal friends of the head of the Christian Coalition, Pat Robertson, and go to his house for dinner.
Anyhow, opening the main forum and seeing all the threads having to do with making homo-phobic references (even in jest) isn’t cool. It doesn’t create a very welcoming environment.

[Loz]

I think the point is that in an ideal world, we wouldn't need anyone to police what people talk about, people would grow out of fads like this very quickly after they got boring. Sadly, ideal this world is not. And so I for one am glad that an authority figure (ie, Emma) is standing up for common sense and for those of us who get tired of stupity and immaturity fairly quickly. A few gay jokes shared between friends is one thing, but again and again and again, especially somewhere public like this, just comes off as offensive, obnoxious and twattish.

Anyway, on with the serious side.

I think homosexuality is a scale rather than a black and white clear cut thing. I think some people are closer to homosexuality than others, for example, you get people who find even the thought of touching another man abhorrant (whether or not they're hiding something is anyone's guess), and others are quite free in what they do with other people of the same sex, without necessarily being gay.

Myself, for example, I can honestly say that I think that Brad Pitt, Patrick Stewart, or whoever are very attractive men. If I was gay, they'd probably feature in my fantasies. But I can also honestly say that sadly for the three of us, I'm not gay. So the whole sex thing with them doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't make me feel sick, it just doesn't do it for me. Give me some sweaty love with Audrey Tautou any day of the week, thank you very much.

I've never really known that many people who are gay, I have a couple of friends who happen to be gay, but they're not close friends, and I didn't grow up with gay people around, I just formed the opinion in the same way as I can see that the colour of skin makes no difference to someone at all, without being black, or have any really good black friends myself. It just makes perfect sense to me.

It's weird, as strongely as some people are homophobic or racist, I can really not understand how somebody can be predjudiced against someone for something that makes such the smallest difference to who they are or how they act. I guess that fact will continue to allude me.

[phil]

how fucking dull you are loz

[emef]

methinks perhaps phil has a few items hidden in his closet

[phil]

i am gay. GAP: gay and proud maye got a fucking problem u bobby dazzler.

[emef]

GAP...is maybe not how i would describe you
NAB more like... that would be Nasty And Bitter

[phil]

bitter? muahahh its funny how you can judge some one in this fam-tasy world isnt it.

[emef]

the same way you judge everyone on this board everyday with your negative posts

[phil]

negative posts??? you got the wrong end of the stick me old china. it's a double negative.

[emef]

oh sorry...please do accept my deepest warmest most heartfelt apologies for getting you so dreadfully wrong.

tsk tsk i cant believe they dont have a sarcasm smiley for us to use

[phil]

lowest form of wit sarcasm matey. You should know that being a Blackpool lad.

[emef]

god... every lowbrow dullard uses that comeback

[phil]

come, come be civil e emef, what does your dad do for a living (serious question)

[emef]

he makes small mounds just in front of gravestones

[phil]

whats your real name emef, is it larry?

[emef]

yeah, its larry... good guess, you`re a fuckin genius

[LEFTHANDLOU]

Kari, I don't know if you got the jist of what I was trying to say, I'm not saying that I don't like gay people, or that what people say does not matter. What I'm saying is that since we both agree that it is not a very open society, sugar coating, or renaming everything to insure that no one gets offended is wrong. You are actually telling people to close off even more. Frankly its better that people say stupid shit, so finally someone comes along and tells them what is really going on, I think Dialog is very important. Take this thread for one, if we did not say gay this and gay that so much, this whole thing would never have started, the topic may have never come up

Also it's a dog eat dog world, no one is going to hold your hand and walk you thru your life, if you make some choices, stand by them.
We are all catagorized, in some way or another, and there is a negative way of saying every single one. I rather someone call me a name to my face, so I can explain to them how they are wrong, or see their ignorance than have them smile in my face and stab me in the back.

[DsD]

ok. first thing is the realy topic. i know some german gays and they have no problem with that word as far as i know.
i realy like some of them cause they are cool personalities. there is one gay here that i hate cause he can`t understand that i don`t want any contacts with him but this is not because he`s gay ;)
people who are gay are still people. i don`t care about that. the personality is everything that counts for me and i think that`s the best way.
i know i made some jokes about homosexuallity and other stuff... but if somebody feels bad about things io write... simply send a pm and i`ll try to change it. (oh my god. i bet i have millions of pms tomorrow)
only one guy here can write pm`s until his fingers are bleeding... and... yes! that guy is phil.

emef stay cool. that guy is not worth the trouble.

[tsr_tomas]

ok. it´s like this.

i don´t care about anyone´s sexuality. the chemistry between two people can lead to friendship or more.. or hate.

don´t send to much love Pm´s to me now !

[emef]

Originally posted by DsD

emef stay cool. that guy is not worth the trouble.

yeah i know, but i think when someone is a fucker, its just nice to let them know now and then that we think they are a fucker

[big raff]

phil is a mammyrammer

[karitek]

dont get me wrong lefthandlou (who's avatar always confuses me, thinking it is me...same coloring)...i am not offended by you, and i get pissed off by people being fake and over politially correct as well. seriously the thing i hate most in the world is fakeness - in any sense.

but i am gonna stand up for myself as much as possible and homophobic statements are always gonna piss me off. i just hate negativity in general - there's enough of it in the world, that i dont want to support it in any way. and i think that after a couple of days of hearing homophobic stuff on this board, someone needs to step up for the other side.

what i want is people to think before they speak (or type). and yes, we are all categorized, but there is a big difference between being categorized as white than as black, or as hetero vs homo.

[Sheridan]

I applaud Kari for saying that she is offended by some of the gay remarks that have been said. I to am not for policing or censorship here on the board, but I think that people need to police themselves a bit and know when to take a step back. I for one am not too offended by the use of the term gay (in moderation). every once and a while a little quip of 'that is gay' I have found to be funny. but I think it has gotten out of hand. but the use of the term faggot I am offended by. now I know this sounds a bit like a double standard but I feel the term faggot is just an out and out derogatory term. I equate faggot with nigger. both horrible words.

as for the questions IP brought up: My sister is a lesbian and it doesn't bother me one bit. my family accepts her for who she is and we have always been very open to all of her girlfriends over the years. coming from this experience I would have to say that homosexuality is entirely something you are born with. it was pretty evident all my sisters life that she wasn't like other girls. and so when she came out to my family it wasn't a surprise at all. but I also believe that everyone is a little gay. I have always felt that every person you interact with on a friendly level you have an attraction to that person. all of your friends you are attracted to on a physical and mental level. otherwise you wouldn't be friends with them. from this I believe that if you met the right person of the same sex who just affected you in such a deep way that homosexual tendencies could arise.

[invisibleplanet]

Biography: Karl Heinrich Ulrichs (1825-1895) (http://www.gayhistory.com/rev2/factfiles/ffulrichs.htm)

German jurist Karl Heinrich Ulrichs was the first modern European to openly acknowledge his own man-loving nature and to defend it in print. He called men who are sexually attracted to other men Urnings, and published twelve pamphlets defending Urning love. His first pamphlet appeared under the pseudonym Numa Numantius in 1864, but by 1868 he was publishing under his own name.

[gunjack]

sound like nambla....

[invisibleplanet]

nambla?

[gunjack]

http://www.nambla1.de/ :-p

[MUX]

i consider homosexuality as something your are born with, and sometimes ppl have to grow it. alot of the homosexuals i know ended up this way after drugs anyhow, but i know a few that have been playing with dolls since they were 3 years old, other are gay due to abuse when they were kids.. and other that just thaught it was fasionable i guess.

gay ppl are the flower of club culture is so many ways

[dirtyho]

@ Sheridan I know exactly where you're coming from.
There is a real difference between calling someone "A fucking gay lord" and saying "that's gay" in the context of banter among friends. I equate it with "that's lame" - I use this phrase but I'm not prejudiced against disabled people. I think the usage has been OTT on the board sometimes but I just dont read those boring threads. I'm of the opinion that you just let people get on with it and make themselves look stupid - you can't police this stuff. I remember being told that racists shouldn't even be allowed to express their views by a white bank managers son from surrey - he was really having a go at me for defending thier right to speak as much as anyone elses. For people like that it's only opinions they agree with who are allowed to express their news" that shit really winds me up - he thought he was so right on and he was just as much of a nazi in his mind as the fucking NF. He actually started lecturing me about racism and I had to tell him he didn't fucking know what he was talking about.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

My uncle is a homosexual, but I think he is pretty cool for a poof

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

lol

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by gunjack
sound like nambla....

i don't see nambla as being anything like the pioneering work of Ulrichs.

I see nambla as an attempt to decriminalize man-boy sexual-love in the usa, and I see these youth-adult relationships as being unequal. Adults and youths can develop love between them, but as the expression of these relationships need not be sexual, I feel this site concentrates only on sexual man-boy love, and muddies the waters of mentor relationships, by declaring the right to experiment sexually based on an experience of desire.

All youths, regardless of gender, and taking into account their undeveloped nature may need protecting from a predatory element which exists in all human relationships.

I see Ulrichs as a 19th Century pioneer, attempting to define the innate homosexuality which exists within humanity, and have male-male love recognised, NOT unequal love between man/boy, which appears to be akin to mentor or 'fatherly' relationships.

[invisibleplanet]

@dirtyho
+++++

[gunjack]

i find it hard to belive that someone could actually be offended by hearing "that's gay".


i really hate these p.c. thugs who try to tell us all how to think and act. i mean, if ppl started fucking dead animals, would there be a national association for necro-bestiality? would we have to stop saying "sheep fucker" as a put down? does the human body not have obvious features for obvious reasons? if you chose to be creative with how you stimulate your sexual organs, what does that have to do with anyone else?

excuse me but i fail to see the connection between an electronic music bbs and this now ridiculously over done debate about the ethics of various sexual preferences.


who really gives a fuck?

unless a homosexual member of the forum is actually addressed directly in and oppressive way, by another board member, does any of this really amount to anything?


no one on the board is calling other board members perverse or whatever so can we not just leave well enough alone?

[invisibleplanet]

originally by IP
All youths, regardless of gender, and taking into account their undeveloped nature may need protecting from a predatory element which exists in all human relationships.

I need to add, I don't think people need protecting by state laws, I think they need 'protecting' by improved sexual and social education.
As neither state, nor it seems, the majority of society don't hold balanced views regarding sexuality, I think (esp. in UK and USA), it will be some time before this is achieved.

[gunjack]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
I see Ulrichs as a 19th Century pioneer, attempting to define the innate homosexuality which exists within humanity...


Originally posted by gunjack
does the human body not have obvious features for obvious reasons? if you chose to be creative with how you stimulate your sexual organs, what does that have to do with anyone else?



where does it end? yes men have the right to have intercourse with other men, but why do straight folks have to pretend it doesn't disgust them? most gay folks i know dont try to hide their revulsion toward hetero sex.....

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Can I put up random statements too?

lol

[gunjack]

pardon? do you not follow?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

You replied in between me response. IP's last post had no correalation to the post above, just random text. As in point completely missed and random text dropped in just for the sake of it.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

..or that is how it would appear

[gunjack]

i see... sorry. i guess she was responding to me and stuff...

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

....only 5 responses out from where it should have been. Quoting helps ppl!!

[gunjack]

agreed.

[Lady E]

gunjack - you have had free reign to say whatever you want and hardly anyone ever steps in. when prolific posters spend hours calling each other gay in a variety of ways that ceases to be acceptable to me. that's too much. i think we all agree that language is fairly loose and ambiguous but when one thing gets repeated over and over and no-one says anything against it that starts to be a statement.

cris and i cant do much to stop things on this board because we believe in free speech. we dont like stepping in too much or banning people. its not easy to try to maintain a balance. people have already mentioned that they have felt alienated or want to leave because of this tendency.


i dont want that to happen - and also as this board is an extension of mine and cristian's business - i dont want it to only contain a load of boys calling each other gay.

im actually quite surprised that an intelligent man cant see everyone;s point - after all, we all see yours, pretty much every day on this board.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Basic 2: The Revenge
You replied in between me response. IP's last post had no correalation to the post above, just random text. As in point completely missed and random text dropped in just for the sake of it.

I amended the post you refer to to show a subtitle. and also changed the "" speechmarks to a uBB quote code.

make sense now?

originally by em
when prolific posters spend hours calling each other gay in a variety of ways that ceases to be acceptable to me. that's too much.

you are not alone in this.
the people who do engage in such puerile behaviour, do damage to their id's and NOT the No Future board.

[MUX]

i gotta take the blame for last week making a 'fudge-packing ' remark.. and it all seemed to top off all that..

Sorry, but when it somes to usage of the word GAY it hard to takle a tense of what way it's being said...

and if anyones got the beef with each other, try to drop it instead of making useless batlles of words that everyone has to see and read.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Thanks IP, much better. It makes scanning threads a lot easier.

[DsD]

Originally posted by emef


yeah i know, but i think when someone is a fucker, its just nice to let them know now and then that we think they are a fucker

ok. that`s okay. then i say: "GO GO GO EMEF!" ;)

[gunjack]

Originally posted by emma
im actually quite surprised that an intelligent man cant see everyone;s point - after all, we all see yours, pretty much every day on this board.



I think you misunderstand my last rant of a posting session... i never said i couldn't understand the point of view of ppl like arar, for example, who does not appreciate the gay jokes etc. i understand completely the points of those good folks like yourself who try and preserve balance around here, i just happen to disagree on this point.


anyway, if it is a condition of my being allowed to continue posting here, that i substitue the word "lame" for "gay". i am willing to do that, but i must insist on expressing my sentiment of the redundancy and futility of said substitution.


over-sensitive folks will always find some reason to be offended. if folks used the phrase, "white trash", for example, to describe the jerry springer show, why would i be offended? because i am caucasian? nobody directly said to me - "gunjack, you are poor white trash." and even if they did, i am confident enough in my life, not to let what someone says, on the internet of all places, offend me and hurt me so deeply.



i would just like to say, that while this post from our beloved moderator, was directed at me individually, i am the least of your problems on this board. and furthermore, folks like phil wish for the death of and threaten board members with physical harm, but god forbid i should say i thought this was a "gay thread"...




the difference i think is context. folks need to lighten up.


by this logic, i would not be able to use the word "lame" which is quite socially acceptable, because handicapped ppl may be offended. or if i were to say, "are you blind?" to someone missing an obvious point, would i then be subject to the sensitivity of the sight impared?! etc. etc. etc.


can you maybe see this point of view?


i honestly find this whole overblown issue to be ridiculously syntax driven and insulting to the intelligence of the board.

[phil]

gunjack you fucking gaylord lighten up iws joking about killing people.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Lame is gay

lol

[igniop]

yo,
well, i will start by that - i am ´gay´.
well i actually never use that term cuz i think its to specific. so i will use the term - right now at this point of my life i am fallimng in love and attracted to man. i was dating and was atrracted to women also and i might do that again if life takes me there.
well first @ gunjack - i feel u, as a musicain sould know that music as a human spiritual thing leads to other human things like sexuality, politics and other stuff that doesnt directly involve music. i was always very proud and happy to say that i think the ´Techno´(or electronic or whatever) is more deep into human emtions and human issues within society and soul.
so if u are bored of gay discussions and just looking to talk about ur releases i think u better find other boards.
well, back to gay issue. i am peronally NOT offened by the term ´its so gay´and blah, though i dont use it , but it will definitly will not contribute to me appriciating someone using those terms. i think when u are an evolved person u SHOLD choose ur words more carefully, and the only word police will be u urself. we u are smart u dont even need to think whether this or that term will insult someone. u are just being sensitive enough to know that from ur heart and mind and not use it.
and i do think u people using this term should educate urself to know that even though its a free world and everybody can say what he wants(and i truely believe that) it is as important to know when not to alk certain stuff and also important to know when to SHUT UP. (also goes to u again gunjack)
i am not offended by using the term gay as something offending because i am very much ok with who i am and know that for me it is not something inferiour. i did find that people who has problem with gayness and find it revolting ususally has problems with their own sexuality or their own self confidence.
i mean, all my friends know this fact about me, my parents are very cool about it and they tought me that the only important thing is LOVE no matter if its a guy or a girl.
as for whther u are born like that or not. i think we are all born with this or that level of physical attraction to ur own kind. at some it is very strong and at some it barley exist, but fact is that it is also society related issue as for ancient greek or this ahganistan tribe.
i think reality is changing now into more evolved sociaty and i think in some years from now people will make the difference beetween what i like to call ´the animal sex´which is pure chemicals and physical attraction and the ´mind sex´ which comes out of very strong love to someone. for example: some friend of yours who looks ugly to you but than u get to know and love him/her and he/she becomes beauifull.
i think when sociaty stop giving such accurate definitions to such abstarct things such as gay and when people will stop being afraid they will relise it doesnt matter at all what sex the other person is. it matters that u really love this person and u wanna share ur most intimate moments and things with.

[phil]

lame......muahahahahahah

[bitch one]

Originally posted by Marolo
I don't think sexuality is an option or a choice. Most evidence supports the theory that sexuality is innately determined. I think the idea that homosexuality is socially determined (i.e peculiar parenting or atypical conditioning) is quite old-fashioned.

yes, so-called evolutionary psychology is very fashionable at the moment, mainly because it produces media-friendly papers.

that doesn't mean that it isn't a load of cobblers.

the idea that a behavioural trait as vague as homosexuality can be genetically determined strikes me as daft. homosexuality is an arbitrary set of behaviours entirely defined by what society considers it to be. to talk of this as having a genetic basis is just plain silly. witness the historical stuff above - if there can be a society such as sparta where 100% of males are 'homosexual', then surely that proves beyond doubt that the behaviour is determined socially. if i lived on an island where there were no women, i'm sure i would eventually consider it. a wank is a wank.

[MUX]

hey Igniop, altho i dont agree with all yr views in general..
respect for the courage of spitting that out

[Lady E]

you are wilfully missing the point gunjack

and im aiming it at you because you are the only person in this thread to disagree with the general concensus that overuse of the term 'gay' as an insult becomes offensive and alienating to people who are not necessarily oversensitive, just have different opinions to you.

if you want oversensitive i could give that to you and a lot of people would be banned by now.

re: the phil issue -im afraid that like your constant reference to special needs, gays etc, i take his 'death threats' with a pinch of salt UNLESS they become so constant and overwhelming to the rest of the threads on the board i take action which, you'll notice, i do regularly.

without wanting to just ban people who piss everyone off - the ideal thing is to give people the opportunity to reign in their own behaviour.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by igniop
yo,
well, i will start by that - i am ´gay´.
well i actually never use that term cuz i think its to specific. so i will use the term - right now at this point of my life i am fallimng in love and attracted to man. i was dating and was atrracted to women also and i might do that again if life takes me there

......

i think reality is changing now into more evolved sociaty and i think in some years from now people will make the difference beetween what i like to call ´the animal sex´which is pure chemicals and physical attraction and the ´mind sex´ which comes out of very strong love to someone. for example: some friend of yours who looks ugly to you but than u get to know and love him/her and he/she becomes beauifull.
i think when sociaty stop giving such accurate definitions to such abstarct things such as gay and when people will stop being afraid they will relise it doesnt matter at all what sex the other person is. it matters that u really love this person and u wanna share ur most intimate moments and things with.

open minded and full of love...wondeful igniop!

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

so patronising

[gunjack]

Originally posted by igniop
yo,
@ gunjack - i feel u, as a musicain sould know that music as a human spiritual thing leads to other human things like sexuality, politics and other stuff that doesnt directly involve music.

and i do think u people using this term should educate urself to know that even though its a free world and everybody can say what he wants(and i truely believe that) it is as important to know when not to alk certain stuff and also important to know when to SHUT UP. (also goes to u again gunjack)

to your first bit - no shit sherlock!
i just feel that the politics of the bedroom have absolutely nothing to do with the way i treat ppl or interact with them in a forum like this.

to the second part - yeah, i think everybody needs to learn when to shut up too.



look, i see your points and will readily admit the validity. i just dont feel as adversarial as you think i do. emma as well. you folks direct posts at me, but if you were as open to the opinions of others as you wished i were, we would not be having this discussion.

[phil]

Yeah i agree with igniop 100% people need to contextulise their minds

[gunjack]

contextulise this phil.

[phil]

gunjack, i find your posts funny. i really dont see what all the fuss is about.

[gunjack]

sarcasm should be well defined phil.

[phil]

im not fucking being sarcastic. bloody hell. one thing u should know, i am never sarcastic.

[gunjack]

rofl.

[Lady E]

im directing my posts at you because you are the only person disagreeing with what people are saying in this thread gunjack and you are the MAIN person on this board, along with phil, who likes to call people / things gay!! you do the fucking math.


please re-read what i have ACTUALLY written to you, and you will see that it is completely and utterly fair enough. you fail to see people are only asking you and others to moderate your behaviour to fit in with the community more - which is normal...and a debate is being had about what is acceptable or not which is a good thing in my opinion.


if you dont like it set up your own message board where you can call anyone and anything whatever you want all day long . if you are here then be aware that NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME FEELINGS AS YOU AND IF YOU GO TOO FAR PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN.

that's it.pretty simple. no persecution, just a fact.

[Marolo]

Originally posted by bitch one



the idea that a behavioural trait as vague as homosexuality can be genetically determined strikes me as daft. homosexuality is an arbitrary set of behaviours entirely defined by what society considers it to be. to talk of this as having a genetic basis is just plain silly. witness the historical stuff above - if there can be a society such as sparta where 100% of males are 'homosexual', then surely that proves beyond doubt that the behaviour is determined socially. if i lived on an island where there were no women, i'm sure i would eventually consider it. a wank is a wank.

all nature vs nurture debate always leads to the same answer i.e a bit of both. But I do think that genetics plays a strong role in determining some behaviour and sexuality too. And I don't understand what you mean by 'a behavioural trait as vague as homosexuality'.

@ip Where did you get that data from? I find it hard to beleive

[invisibleplanet]

which data, marolo?

[dirtyho]

I don't believe in broadly deterministic theories which say people are "gay" or "criminals" because of their genetic makeup. "Gay" and "criminal" are socially defined terms. As Marolo says the "nature vs nurture" debate will always lead to the answer "a bit of both". I think its people who feel uncomfortable with this uncertainty that want a "definitive" answer.

[V Knid esq]

I'm gay :)

[dirtyho]

Seconded

[gunjack]

Originally posted by emma
if you dont like it set up your own message board where you can call anyone and anything whatever you want all day long .

i saw that one coming. look emma, you think this is about me wanting to continue calling ppl ghey?



the simple fact is, i gotta be me.

[gunjack]

Originally posted by emma
you are wilfully missing the point gunjack

and im aiming it at you because you are the only person in this thread to disagree with the general concensus that [SIZE=16]overuse....


i just saw this post for the first time. sorry. i missed it on the scroll down. ok. i guess i am being a little high strung about this issue. i had another issue on another board where a mod censored my post and i have been venting here i guess. i will give you all a break and take a breather.




:illin:

[bitch one]

Originally posted by Marolo


all nature vs nurture debate always leads to the same answer i.e a bit of both. But I do think that genetics plays a strong role in determining some behaviour and sexuality too. And I don't understand what you mean by 'a behavioural trait as vague as homosexuality'.



i meant vague compared with easily defined traits like red hair, height, weight, which are simple to investigate genetically...how do you measure homosexuality? you have to make some arbitrary decision, which means you have introduced your own opinions about what it is, and are investigating something culturally imposed rather than a naturally existing phenotype. this is a circularity, so perhaps logically flawed science. is homosexuality in prison the same as homosexuality outside prison? obviously not. yet your study is unlikely to control for this (and countless other less obvious) factors, which are all in a constant state of flux.

my point is more subtle than a simple nature/nurture debate - i am saying that in the case of a human behaviour as culturally complex as homosexuality, it doesn't really make sense to speak of nature/nurture at all, because the idea of a balance between nature/nurture has been developed to describe simple, easily defined, obvious phenotypes.

the same problems are encountered when you investigate the genetics of 'intelligence' or 'aggressiveness' or any other complex human trait where culture and society and individual consciousness are involved, the kind of 'evolutionary psychology' so beloved of newspapers and tv progs. the very complexity implies the interaction of so many genes with so many environmental factors that simple genetic arguments break down and become meaningless. imho. richard dawkins would take the piss right out of me for saying it tho. but he's a cunt.

[bitch one]

ps - sorry - i get these attacks of philosophical biology at odd intervals and seem to vent them here while i'm busy with the mundane reality of meaningless media work.

[Lady E]

gunjack - you dont have to take a breather, that's cool...

[DsD]

ah no! gunjack i need ur posts! i need ur pics! i need it! ;)

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>> The Gay to Z of Popbitch <<
It's what Liberace would have wanted


A is for...

Ancient Greece
Men in Ancient Greece constantly bummed each other.
Brides in Argos used to wear false beards on their
wedding night, to help their husbands cope with
the shock of the new. (Hence the term "beard")

Auto-Bumming
Rabbits can auto-bum themselves, thanks to
their curvy penises.

Anus
It's part skin, part intestine.
If you've never seen one, here are some photos:
http://www.pornopoly-inc.com/anus/


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B is for...

Bears
Bears are big hairy gay men.
There's a sauna in Sydney where every
Wednesday they have a special bears afternoon.
The event is called "Gorillas in the Mist".

Bonobo monkeys
Randy male bonobos practice Penis-Fencing: two
males hang face-to-face from a branch while
rubbing their erect penises together. They also
like standing back-to-back, with one male rubbing
his scrotum against the buttocks of another.
Freddie Mercury used to do this too.
http://www.hs.sugiyama-u.ac.jp/~ihobe/image/bonobo.jpg

BBC Cottage
The BBC TV centre houses a toilet which is
secretly a gay cottaging destination. It's located
in the basement under the TOTP Star Bar. Until
recently, written on the back of one of the doors
was, "Richard Blackwood sucks white men's
willies - it's true!".


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C is for...

Caligula
When on campaign, Roman emperor Caligula issued
rather gay passwords to get into his camp. One
of them was "Touch me Titus".

ChiPing
The LA gay practice of getting dressed up as
California Highway Patrol Officers, and cruising
around on Harleys. It's most commonly practiced
by Latino and Caucasian gay couples.

Chimps
Q: What do you call a gay ape?
A: Chimp Pansy

Candy Maker
Man who, after wanking his partner, eats the
ejaculated spunk.


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D is for...

Dinge Queen
Somewhat offensive word for a white gay man
who likes black men

Dolphins
Limp-flippered male bottlenose dolphins pair off
with other males during their youth, and never
bond with a female, even after shagging her.
Very Elton.
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/employment/bottlenose_dolphin.jpg

Duck Lane
Soho street which sees much trannie trade action.


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E is for...

Elephants
Both sexes use their trunks for gay
touching-up of other elephants.
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jerosenb/humor/gay_sheep

Euro
Q: Did you hear about the gay French butcher?
A: He put his sausage up two francs..

E! Channel
Gay CNN.

Edward II
British King who was killed by a red-hot poker
up the arse, as punishment for gayness.


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F is for...

Fanfic
Read gay fanfic about David Beckham supplying
nifty balls to Michael Owen:
http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/celebrity/three-lions
http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/celebrity/on-top-of-the-world

Freddie Mercury
Q: What did Freddie Mercury and River Phoenix
have in common?
A: They both had some bad crack


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G is for...

Glory hole
An opening cut into the partition between two
stalls in a men's toilet through which oral
intercourse can be performed.

Greg Louganis
Olympic diver who was given the unkind nickname
"Greg Loose-anus". Greg has just written a book
about owning a dog.
http://www.louganis.com/

Gay Maths
Straight man - girlfriend (+ cocaine + alcohol)
= bi-curious man


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H is for...

Hampstead Heath
One night on Hampstead Heath, a famous gay 80s
pop star was performing oral sex on a man wearing
a motorcycle crash helmet. Suddenly the penis in
his mouth went limp. Looking up to find out the
problem, the star was shocked to see, behind the
helmet, another, equally-famous, short-haired
gay pop star.
(The smalltown boy had become a victim of love...)

Hi-nrg.
Patrick Cowley was its most famous exponent,
thanks to tracks like Menergy and Sylvester's Do
You Want To Funk. Sadly he died of AIDS in 1982.


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I is for...

Ian Levine
We once tried to book hi-nrg legend Ian Levine
for a Popbitch party. But we were told that
we'd have to provide a young boy in tight
white shorts to accompany him. So we didn't.


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J is for...

Jack Macfarland
Will and Grace actor Sean Hayes says "When I
came out of my mom's womb, I had 'sitcom'
stamped on my forehead."

Jobriath
Jobriath was the world's first openly gay popstar.
Launched in 1973 he planned a show at Paris Opera
House straddling a 40-foot. Sadly his albums
flopped and he retired to the Chelsea Hotel,
where he died of AIDS in 1983.
See Jobriath:
http://www.geocities.com/jobriath_2000/

Jam
To widen the opening of the anus with the tongue
as preparation for intercourse.


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K is for...

Kyle Bradford
Erotic Wrestler who once claimed he had been
Tom Cruise's lover. Famous for his "amazing
69 double cocklock" wrestling move.
Some terrifying pictures of Kyle in action:
http://www.bgeast.com/cat/AW91F3.html

Killer Queen
Gay man in the military.

Philip Kirkirov
7ft tall Russian Ricky Martin/Michael Jackson
hybrid, known for his outre Vegas-style stage
shows, which he calls "Consumerism for the
senses". Currently playing Billy Flynn in
Chicago in Moscow.
See a photo of Philip at Eurovision last year:
(He's the one on the left)
http://www.popbitch.com/kirkirov.JPG

Kiwi Fruit
Brazilian football star Ronaldo claimed David
Beckham was a "kiwi fruit" for wearing his wife's
thong. Kiwi fruit is slang for homosexual because
"they are hairy on the outside, but fruity on the
inside", a Brazilian writer explains.


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L is for...

Liberace
Always denied he was homosexual - he just loved
his mother too much to get married. From 1977 57
year-old Liberace's live-in lover was 18 year-old
Scott Thorson, who wrote a tell-all entitled Behind
The Candelabra, which included how he was forced
to get plastic surgery to look more like "Lee".
Photo:
http://www.bobsliberace.com/frames1.html

Limahl
Limahl is the headline act for European Gay
Ski Week in Austria this year.
Limahl - in his 80s prime and now:
http://www.limahl.co.uk/photog/cover_index.htm
http://www.limahl.co.uk/photog/waddesdon/wad2.htm

Liza and David
Gayest wedding photo ever:
http://theunderweardrawer.homestead.c om/files/liza_minelli_wedding.jpg

Lesbians
Q: What do you call an Australian lesbian with
one leg?
A: "Gaylene"


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M is for...

Maxximo
Gay Italian popstar. His latest single is called
"Tormento" and deals with the eternal struggle
between homosexuality and faith. Over a rather
cheap dance beat.

Marc Almond
During the mid-90s, Marc owned a popular gay bar.
Some staff later claimed that satanic rituals took
place there. One favourite was getting new staff
members to masturbate onto a paper pyramid. Satan
really likes that, apparently.
(FYI: Marc's Brazilian cleaner confirms that he
owns a collection of skulls)


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N is for...

Northern Line
Want to meet men on the tube? Apparently the
last carriage on any Northern Line train is
a mobile cottage.

Neutered Pitbulls
In the US there is a trend for urban gay
professionals to buy pitbulls, who are then
neutered and and made fat and docile through
over-feeding. Like Elton.


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O is for...

Otter
In gayland an otter is a thin bear. Some bears
have little or no fur on their chests, arms,
back, butt, etc. So they are called "otters".

Overcultured
Someone who is excessively gay.


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P is for...

Parlez-Vous Gay?
In Welsh language: homosexual = gwrywgydiwr

Polari
Gay language, which largely died out in the 60s
when people started to need it less.
A few words like 'bona' are still used, and there
are still hairdressers in London and Brighton
called "Bona Riah".(good hair)
More examples:
naff - unattractive ("Not Available For Fucking)
plate - to fellate
omi-polone - effeminate man, or homosexual
Alamo! - I'm hot for you! ( from LMO - lick me out)
http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/cello/Polari.htm

Penguins
New York Aquarium at Coney Island has a gay
penguin couple, Wendell and Cass, 15-year-old
African black footed penguins, who are devoted
to each other. Like most gays, they are currently
in dispute with another couple over their nest.

Prawn
Bitchy term for a man with a nice body but an
unattractive head.

Ponce
One of Argentina's most famous football commentators
is called Bambino Ponce.


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Q is for...

Quiff
Slang for a gay man who will pay to suck cock
(eg "Greg is short of money; he's out looking
for quiff".)

Queerdonna
Greg Gostanian was a 600-pound Madonna fan
who called himself "Queerdonna", and spent
12 years squeezing into cone-shaped bras to
perform as "Queerdonna". He died in New York
in 2000, and was buried with a shirt Madonna
autographed with the phrase, "Keep telling
people you slept with me."

Queer Beet
Disco music in Hamburg is known as "Queer Beet"


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R is for...

Roman Empire
Roman men often shoved mullets (the fish, not
the hairstyle) up each others arses. The scales
meant that they slipped in easily. Removal was
more problematic.

Rent Boy Roulette
When a legendary gay British pop star is
staying in New York he likes to keep four or
five extra rooms at the St Regis Hotel with a
rent boy in each one. The boys just stay there,
ordering room service, waiting to see if there
will be a knock on the door from Mr Pop Star...

Regina Fong
London drag cabaret star who died of cancer this
month. Described as part Margaret Thatcher, part
Ken Dodd. Claimed to be Her Imperial Highness The
Grand Duchess Regina Fong, Last Of The Romanoffs.
Famous for the sketch Skippy The Butch Kangaroo.

Regents Park Bi
Megastar singer who surfs chat rooms using
this pseudonym, and wears a balaclava when
meeting his chat-room friends. And has just
put his Regents Park house up for sale.


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S is for...

Screamers
Years ago, gay actors in Hollywood used to go
out to the mountains just outside LA to scream
as loud as they could - thus roughening their
vocal cords and making their voices lower and
more butch. (hence the term "screamer".)
So... which modern day king of pop has been
following this ancient practice?

Sex change
See how they turn man penis into lady parts:
http://www.bizarremag.com/members/sexchange.html#photos

Sheep
Some bored scientists did a study into gay sheep.
They reckon eight percent of males are gay.
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jerosenb/humor/gay_sheep

Siegried and Roy
They live on a Las Vegas compound called The
Jungle Palace. It includes a cappuccino bar, with
a Sistine Chapel replica ceiling. They also have
a set of gold candelabras, given to them by
Liberace. Their white lions and tigers roam freely
around the house. Obviously, they're not gay. Oh no.
For a tour:
http://www.siegfriedandroy.com/biography/palace_show.php

Santana
Carlos Santana, who claims to receive guidance
from a God-like being called Meteron, revealed
a couple of years ago that he was sexually
abused forty years ago - "by a gay cowboy".

SumofSam
Gaydar name of famous British fashion designer.


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T is for...

Troughman
Infamous star of Sydney's Mardi Gras, who likes
to roll in a trough and ask people to piss
in his mouth

Threesomes
See amusing photos of animals having three-way sex
http://www.zoofur.com/gayanimals.html

Bobby Trendy
"I like to get fucked everyday," says Anna-Nicole's
interior designer. "I don't care who does it. They
can be in a wheelchair or a stroller - I don't care.
I don't even bother to look over my shoulder and see
who is doing it. I wouldn't want to strain my neck."

Texas
Texas has just won a Senate vote to outlaw
same-sex marriages. Spoilsports.

Teacher
A schoolboy comes home from school and says to
his father, "I had sex with my teacher today."
Dad: "Good on you son, chip off the
old block. Are you going to do it again?"
Little boy: "Yes, when my bum's better".


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U is for...

Uranus
The seventh planet. German homosexuals describe
themselves as Uranians.

Ussypay:
Prison term for an inmate's arse that is open
for sexual consideration.


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V is for...

Victorian
There is a private gay club in south east London
which stages Victorian costume sex parties. To get
through the door, the password is: 'Is the Queen
at Buckingham Palace?'

Vampire run
Going out looking for sex in the very early hours
of the morning.


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W is for...

Waterfall of Life
A certain Latin star's practice of wanking off
balconies with a young friend.

Websites
The top ten gayest websites:
http://www.100free.com/t/top10gayestwebsites/

Mr Winkle.
The world's gayest dog.
http://www.mrwinkle.com/index1.htm


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X is for...

Xanadu
The gayest film ever? Come on - it's a neon-lit
disco musical featuring rollerskating, and
stars Olivia Newton John and Gene Kelly.


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Y is for...

Yum Yum
19th century slang for a penis.


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Z is for...

Zoo Queen
A gay man who fancies animals

Zzzzzzzzz
All this gayness has put us to sleep


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[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Bears
Bears are big hairy gay men.
There's a sauna in Sydney where every
Wednesday they have a special bears afternoon.
The event is called "Gorillas in the Mist".

Classic!!!!!

[gunjack]

http://www.geoffdavis.com/pics/Flamage/rocks.gif

[HTTP]

as one of the couple of queers on this board, maybe i should post somethn on this.

I pretty much go along with pretty much everybody else, that every once in a while, when timing, setting and lighting, as well as traffic and the constellation of jupiter, mars and venus are right, the use of the word "gay" - to be outrageously funny or even insulting might be O. K.

I actually do it myself! but then again you know that's like niggaz calling each other niggaz
(ever tried to call a black guy you don't really know all that well a nigger? guess not, so why do you do it with gay people?)
Truly - I don't care about it. When my friends call me bitch or faggot, i actually appreciate it, because that tells me, that they know that i know they don't have a problem with it...er - got it?

however i think overstressed use of the term"gay" words on anything ( "gee - that plain empty cd case just looks so gay") raises suspicion, which vice versa is being homophobic again, if you want to put it that way, because you shouldn't be suspicious of anyone's sexuality anyway...
( but you already knew that didn't you?)

What I find surprising is, that apparently there's a big interest in expressing your thoughts on this issue. ( 4 pages of replies - that's an awful lot)
I'm actually a little annoyed and tired of the discussion whether homosexuality ( which i think is a more terrible word than gay, because it sounds like a disease) is genetic or acquired or whatever.
Why would you like to find out? Who ever thought about why some people like the color red more than the color green? Is it, to be able to get rid of gay people - like getting rid of the "crimegene"?

I used to really go off on association chains like that, too ( gay, pedophile, criminal, murder, rape...), but i understand that it just shows through all the pc-ness, what people really associate with gays.
and hey - being a criminal is rather charming, don't you think?

[Loz]

Originally posted by HTTP
but then again you know that's like niggaz calling each other niggaz
(ever tried to call a black guy you don't really know all that well a nigger? guess not, so why do you do it with gay people?)

Excellent.. you sum it up perfectly, in my eyes.

[Lady E]

yep - an attack of the sensibles from HTTP there. THANK YOU

i think we've got a disproportionate amount of scientists posting on the board, hence the genetic discussions.

my view is sexuality is polyvalent. there are a million reasons why your thing is your thing...praise the lord for that.

[aleks]

Originally posted by grobelaar
Lots of people seem to get the idea that I am gay ...


:)
same here...just yesterday two girls told me that. oh well, i´ve got no problems with gay people and i don´t even have a problem if they want to touch my bum! my bum is quite hot i have to admit...

personally i wasn´t offended by all this gay-this-gay-that stuff...it´s just bloody boring to hear/read it in every second sentence . that´s just annoying...

everybody who is interested should check something out about the navajo cultural constructions of gender and sexuality, it´s quite a lot to explain so i won´t do it, but maybe i´ll (or someone else) find something good on the net.it totally differs from our perception of sexuality...great!

[invisibleplanet]

i wanna hear more, aleks!

[dirtyho]

We will never know what makes someone gay or not - who cares anyway? I think intent has a lot to do with whether using these terms is offensive or not. However there is a parallel concern of consideration of others. This is the problem with the constant "gay this gay that" on this board - I don't think the intent is to offend by anyone, but there is a definite lack of consideration of how it might make certain board members feel. As Emma says not everyone enjoys male schoolyard humour and to monopolise a board with it is selfish.

[aleks]

IP-i didn´t find any useful links on the net, but if you wanna hear more i recommend: Navajo Cultural Constructions of Gender and Sexuality by Wesley Thomas...
i can ask my teacher for useful links on wednesday, since i´ve got this seminar in queer culture/queering culture:the poetics and politics of sexual deviance, so this thread is kinda useful for me.
btw i am the only male (surrounded by 35 females:)) in that class... and i asked myself, why am i the only one? any suggestions?

[jukka]

no comment.............i don't want to sound rude or offending !

[Marolo]

What are you studiying Aleks?
I'm also surrounded by ladies in my course. Only about 10 blokes out of 120 total. And most are boring robosexuals.

[aleks]

i study, or at least i pretend to do so, english literature and cultural science and history...
there are always more women than men in my classes, which isn´t that bad especially in summer when they wear anything next to nothing:)

[Tomoki]

sounds like you only visit the uni because of the girls and not for studying:-p


I´m going to a sport uni and most of the girls don´t look good that much.


Everybody don´t believe me, but it´s true.:illin:

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by HTTP
[B] I'm actually a little annoyed and tired of the discussion whether homosexuality ( which i think is a more terrible word than gay, because it sounds like a disease) is genetic or acquired or whatever. /B]

I agree with you on that.



Originally posted by HTTP
[B] Why would you like to find out? Who ever thought about why some people like the color red more than the color green? Is it, to be able to get rid of gay people - like getting rid of the "crimegene"?
/B]

damn, never thought of it that way.

[bitch one]

Originally posted by HTTP

I'm actually a little annoyed and tired of the discussion whether homosexuality ( which i think is a more terrible word than gay, because it sounds like a disease) is genetic or acquired or whatever.
Why would you like to find out? Who ever thought about why some people like the color red more than the color green? Is it, to be able to get rid of gay people - like getting rid of the "crimegene"?


the reason people want to study it is because it is something which can be studied. i don't think there is anything sinister about that.

[Loz]

HTTP -

Actually, there have been studies into whether favourite colours are genetic or not. And with taste preferences, too.

People study it because it's science, and any further understanding into how we actually work is quite interesting.

[Lady E]

although 'science' is not objective and findings are not conclusive. they also can be used ideologically at HTTP was suggesting