lidell trouble in big land of free nothings

[mud-in-lin]

look gang
america fucking spat me out
had a chew from a sample
didn't want me over
I am not coming to play in america
even though it was my desire to do so
so to all those I let down
I am sorry like
but trust me
it was not my fault
booker gave me multiple last minute shocks
of the finacial kind
things I couldn't cope with

I will be back
with a badder

hang on and once again sorry for the premature business nothing ride

[MUX]

itz a country where the president gets a blow job and gets away with it. u dont need to excuse yrself jamie!

[Loz]

he got a oral sex?

bluddey hell, how dare he?

I want one too

[phdbob]

want what??? a presidund? uh?
and remumber he had a B. J. but he did NUT inhule!!!

god lovez amurika!

[CV]

Clinton quips aside - seriously disappointing for all involved - Kdub et al that were planning to visit the gigs , better cancel them greyhound tickets...

[content]

that sux jamie. how about webcasting a show or three? would that be possible?lol

[Derb Mukeman]

Talking U.S.A. .... :-)

Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics ???

*29 have been accused of spousal abuse
*7 have been arrested for fraud
*19 have been accused of writing bad checks
*117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
*3 have done time for assault
*71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
*14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
*8 have been arrested for shoplifting
*21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
*84 have been arrested for drunk driving within the last year


Can you guess which organization this is ???
Give up yet?

It's the 535 members of the United States Congress. The same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line. You gotta pass this one on!

[mini]

yeah, a good text .
one day, i will blow up las palmas, this would cause a very big wave wich is goin' over USA!!! thats it...

[k-dub]

DAMMIT!

This is a weekend of nothing but disappointment so far. Let me know who is responsible and we shall take to them with whifflebats.

Now I don't get to meet Jamie and have him sign my Noodles record... or the elusive Kid 606, who i have missed at least 5 times now. I need to thank him for helping me sell all those records. Hah.

[jukka]

k-dub
better stay at home this weekend..it won't bring anything good to you.

but i feel with you.you don't get much good stuff in the u s of a , or ??

[k-dub]

"I say stay in the house today, tomorrow, and FOREVAAAAAAH!! because your chart shows that your life is OOOOVAAAAAAH!! have a nice day."

[marcel]

'i____don't____need____this___ _shit'

[bigblacksexcop]

Ah Amerika..the land o perpetual AOR..where people still discuss the virtues of Boston and Kansas in College pubs...and if a station doesnt play classic rock it's got it's bankruptcy paper filed together with Inital business plans...I know the dough's good but yer better off trying to market and explain your music to em Jamie...

[amble]

warp site says that mr. lidell is replaced by lesser. i know it's no jamie but at least something. so throw away the empty klenex-box, take a deep breath and call the greyhounds again. think about moving maybe.

[darksalmon]

what's wrong with the president getting a blow job?

[obiscygma]

It's very likely that Clinton's biggest mistake was not letting Ted Kennedy drive him home.

Q: What does Ted Kennedy have that Bill Clinton wishes he had??

A: An ex-wife and a dead girl friend.

Q: Why did it take Ted so long to report the drowning at Chappaquiddick?

A: It took him several dives to get all Mary Jo's clothes back on.

Q: How many Kennedy's does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: All of them - one to hold the lightbulb, and the rest to drink until the room spins.

"A blonde in every pond.
Forget the dead.
Vote for Ted."

obis cygma

[darksalmon]

is ted kennedy the senator who allegedly killed the intern?

[obiscygma]

Actually, no. The intern-killer is Gary Condit from California, another fine upstanding Democratic congressman.

Ted Kennedy is the drunken Senator from Massachusetts who was driving around with his girlfriend, back in 1969... anyway, the good Senator must've gotten a "bad ice-cube" at the cocktail party, because he ended up driving off a bridge and into the lake... Teddy-boy swam to safety, but the girl wasn't so lucky.

The best part, though, was how he LEFT the scene, and didn't report the accident until several hours later (after he had gotten a chance to sober up, no doubt) ...

LOL, the Republicans have it easy - all of their "scandals" are boring and difficult to understand, in general.

The Dems, on the other hand, always manage to get nailed on the real juicy shit. (yet somehow, they always manage to get away with it)...

But anyway, enough american politics... a lot of you guys aren't even from this country, right?

obis cygma

[namshub]

interesting tho......god if only our politiks were this spicey... our parliament it seems is just filled wif paedofiles. and unfortuantely not of the DJ variety..:o)

[Mui]

don't forget those racist chip shop owners that somehow form their own party (actually they aren't more racist than the Libs are really....just the libs are a bit smarter and better at disguising it)

[obiscygma]

You mention the Libs (liberals, I'm assuming)... now, from what I've gathered, the "Liberals" in austrailia (and maybe parts of europe) are the opposite of the liberals in the states.

Here's the breakdown, here:

Democrat party - Liberal - Left-Wing
Republican Party - Convervative - Right-Wing

Ironincally, the "liberals" here in the USA seem to actually OPPOSE the ideas of personal freedom, smaller federal governement, personal responsibility, capitalism, and an empowered populace.

Here, the Liberals have demonstrated through policy and practice, that their vision of a "better tomorrow" looks more like a socialist/communist system, rather than a productive and free capitalist society.They big selling point is the social programs... welfare, medicaid, social security, basic government handouts... they breed a sense of entitlement in the people... and it's shocking to see just how many people in this country actually believe that the world somehow OWES them something... that they are entitled to things without having to earn them.

The Left-Wing Liberals here are constantly trying to demonize "the rich" people... resorting to stereotypical class-warfare/class-envy tactics to reinfoce the notion amoung these hand-out recipients that "the rich" have somehow cheated at the game of life... that somehow "the rich" have earned their money unfairly, and at the EXPENSE of the lower-income people... the whole "The rich get richer, and the poor get poorer"...

Well, no shit... the rich get rich because they are ambitious and saavy, and they know how to turn a little bit of effort and determination into CASH... meanwhile, the "poor" grow more and more dependent on government support... the idea of an "honest day's work" is totally foreign... why should they be forced to WORK? This shit is OWED to them.... and they blame their misfortune (read: laziness, apathy) on those people in the country who actually WORK for their living, and at the same time are paying exorbitant amounts in taxes which go to SUPPORT these government-aid recipients... well, it makes no sense... if you beat down the rich people until they are on par with the POOR people, then who the hell is going to pay the taxes to SUPPORT everyone? Where will the money come from? I mean, god forbid - because then all these lay-abouts would actually have to go out and get a JOB that probably pays LESS than the governent was giving them to sit on their couch all day watching Oprah.

What really boggles my mind is how many people in this country actually FALL for that crap. They eat up all the campaign scare-tactics... they believe that the republicans "only care about the rich"... etc etc... Personally, I can understand why ANYONE who gets up and goes to work every day in order to pay their bills (after losing 40% in taxes) would actually vote for the Democrats... it's amazing.

Arg, goddamn you fuckers. I said no more politics talk... but you had to keep baiting me.. LOL

obis cygma

[dick head]

sorry mate but it's 'free' capitalism that causes most of the shit in the world. how free is the the capitalism that causes millions to be hungry while we get fat eating big macs? how free is the capitalism that allows slaves to earn peanuts so we can wear the latest nikes? the freedom to belch tons of co2 into the atmosphere and ignore the evidence until it's too late, so our grandkids have the freedom to deal with it. freedom to impose our ideas onto 3rd world shepherds with bombs. you can stick your capitalist freedom right up your bum.

what is the function of a state is it's not to look after the less fortunate members of society? the rich can look after themselves and hire accountants to dodge their taxes.

i guess i'm one of your left wingers. actually fuck politics. anarchy, revolution, off with their heads.

[dick head]

sorry, i'm just a bit angry at the moment because of the way our fearless leaders spent probably billions bombing the shit out of the afghans and then don't bother helping them sort themselves out afterwards. it stinks.

[dick head]

click for details -

http://www.observer.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,668677,00.html

[V Knid esq]

The right wing in America preach individual freedom and Christian values, but it is just a veneer of rhetoric - their agenda is <b>only</b> to protect the mega-rich. Norman Mailer recently said "if there is a conspiracy in america today, it's the one that persuades the people that the republican party represents anyone apart from the billionaires". I don't have any facts and figures to hand (without which political arguments are pointless), but you should read the last 2 chapters of The Frank Zappa Book (his autobiog), and Michael Moore's Stupid White Men. Both of these books are concerned with documenting actual events, not with hammering out miniscule details of philosophies; check these out, then come back and say that the Democrats are more 'controlling' than the Right. I'm not saying that there are not extrordinarily corrupting influences in the "PC" left-liberal consensus, but they are a damn sight less downright EVIL than the robber barons of the drugs, oil, tobacco and arms industries who run the right-wing of politics in the western world.

[lucid rinehead]

obis

are you taking the piss?

if not, let me guess.........i might be wrong but let me guess anyway

your parents are hard working (read 'rich').
...they paid for, or are paying for, you to go to college
...so that you can then be hard working too...
...and make 50,000 odd $s a year working 8 hours a day ie $26 an hour
...while lazy people around you clear up your shit 8 hours a day for (insert minimum wage here)

if i'm not wrong about the main points, could you explain why your 8 hours is worth more than theirs?

yes i went to uni, yes my parents paid - i don't even have a student loan to pay off, which is nice, but i justify my job to myself for the moment because i earn less than the scottish average...pretty fuckin shaky because it just means that i am taking the piss out of a few less people...i'm not even going to get started on poorer countries. what else to do? i haven't worked that out yet so i choose apathy for now.

anyway, moderately offensive speculation maybe...but you understand what i'm trying to say even if you don't agree with it

[V Knid esq]

Originally posted by lucid rinehead

if i'm not wrong about the main points, could you explain why your 8 hours is worth more than theirs?



Well, the free marketeer's answer to that is that there are more people able to clean up shit than there are able to administrate a large wing of a corporation. Of course this ignores the surrounding complexities (e.g. how much more any of those shit-clearers could be capable of given a decent social infrastructure of education, childcare, nutrition etc) - but such is the way with a capitalist system that presents itself as 'common sense' and the essence of simplicity, but really ends up being almost as beureaucratic and Kafkaesque as a Stalinist centrally planned economy... if the free market is so freeing for the individuals in it, why is everyone working longer hours at more boring jobs? Why has paperwork INCREASED in the era of the 'paperless office'? Why are most of the workforce in the west left filling in databases or operating call centres, when globalisation was supposed to make all the little brown countries do all the hard work for us? I'm confused.

[lucid rinehead]

i know (and you probably know i know) but i just wanted to pick holes in the answer. i just don't think people should be ground into the shit, and i'm fully aware that i'm as guilty as anyone (well most).

lol

[jamyna]

Two words: Managment Consultancy.
The people who obsessively ammended the capitalist ideal, infinitely dividing the hierarchal structures in our society, perpetually creating systems to ensure other systems are created behind them. A year or two later, a new ideology overhauls the dated and now failing system, more reports, more forms, etc etc.

[V Knid esq]

YES! We live in the sphere of beareaucracy... My girlfriend and many of my family work in the health service, and there is a broad agreement that the one thing that would allow it to recover and deal with the modern world would be to STOP reforming it and allow the frontline staff to adapt to the current structures, but no - every year they have to change the management speak, change the local area boundaries, change the vertical structures, change the guidelines for staff, change the accountability procedures, and always, at every change, ADD MORE MIDDLE MANAGERS. I believe there is a similar problem in education, and I would not be surprised if it was endemic to the whole world of work. At every turn, ordinary working people have to waste hours of time that could be spent actually being productive: they have to read reams of 'mission statements', go to seminars teaching them how to 'think outside the box', fill in assessment forms to find out how they are dealing with the constant change... and all the way through this the only people who benefit are the consultants, the spin doctors, the marketing and p.r. people, the designers of logos, the people who come up with phrases like 'bend the envelope' or 'motivatisation' or whatever, the sculptors of thin air... WHY? How did we all go so mad that so much time and human energy is just bled into these monolithic corporations that are made out of 50% bullshit and 50% Indonesian sweat and blood? I'm confused again.

[V Knid esq]

Oh yes, and not wanting to get into any flame wars, but I notice that obiscygma used, in another thread, "geigh" as a term for something he didn't like, which would tie in with the classic unquestioning spouting of right-wing rhetoric.

[darksalmon]

everyone's levelling criticisms but nobody's offering a solution.

anyway fuck it, i used to avoid voting because i couldn't be bothered to do the research and an uneducated vote is an unjustified one. now i don't vote because i think all the people involved are snakes.

there's no difference. people can still buy booze, drugs and watch shit TV all evening no matter who's in charge, and at the end of the day isn't that what really matters?

democracy is a flawed idea because it's based on the premise that everyone's equal which is bollocks. for every clued up voter there's a million and one "Sun" readers so what's the fucking point?

[V Knid esq]

Solutions? Depends what you mean... I don't know what will affect things on a macro scale - I'm waiting Emma's comments on the topic as I know she's read a much wider range of political theory than I have. What I do know is that the more my friends and I know about the mechanics of the political and corporate worlds the more assured I feel in living my life in the way I choose, knowing that I can justify it in 'their' terms as well as in my own, and knowing that I can make my choices in a more educated fashion, knowing that some of those choices may actually affect the patterns of wider society in an interesting if not beneficial way. I dunno... let the babies have their bottles, let people gauch out into a world of TV, beer and spliffs... I've done that for years on end, and it's a fine way to be, you can even osmotically learn a fair amount from couch-dwelling... I just know I feel happier and a bit more alive now than I ever have, and a lot of that is to do with the fact that I have a thirst for knowledge; I really want to be clued up about the structures that move around me and that influence the culture in which I live. You can't force that on anyone. You can't make anyone want to learn, all you can do is dig out the facts to the best of your ability and leave them out in the open for people to stumble across. I'm ranting now. What was the topic again?

[darksalmon]

you make a good point, i like the "justifying it in their terms as well as in my own" bit.

i think the original argument was "right vs. left" or maybe "capitalism vs. whatever the opposite of that is".

at the end of the day it is better to be well educated about these things, it's just that time is a limited resource and i've got videogames to play.

and i hate circular arguments which is what these things always turn out to be.

anyway....my two cents.

[lucid rinehead]

the beaurocracy thing applies to the whole of society, i think...the 'system', the law, procedures and rules combined together seem to have more momentum than the people.

a solution? ...if someone has one then speak up...i would start with trying to find a way to persuade people that it is in their own, and everyone else's, interest to think for themselves. i think anyone who disagrees with that either has a vested interest in keeping people subdued, or hasn't actually thought about it for themselves. ...but that seems to be almost a self-evident truth to me, that people should think for themselves, question what they're told, because that leads on from the idea that people are, humanity is, essentially good.

thinking about stuff like this always seems to come back to basic axioms, self-evident truths...can't really justify them and questioning them always seems to be courting disaster, teetering on the edge of madness as you pick away at the foundations of your own personality...oops bit of a tangent there, but i'd love to hear what other people have to say about this...

anyway i don't want to turn this into some kind of introspective nightmare bad trip thread kind of thing

[anarchosyn]

Our local Hipster, village voice rip off paper (Mercury, for those in the know) still lists jamie as playing at dantes with kid 606 .. Silly sods, now I'm all confused. But I'll chalk it up to another case of our papers being Hipster, indi-rocking, and devoid of electronic love.

k-dub, you a silly silly boy for missing hrvatski.. btw- the show (with nudge, lesser, gold chains and kid606) is only $10.

[k-dub]

Nudge is a joke. I saw them once and they bored me to sleep. I'll save my $10 for something where I can dance or buy a record or something.

[anarchosyn]

I can say the same for the others, IMHO. Gold chains, which I only knew from a lame music video he had on his site, reminded me of a humorless hiphop version of cylob. Kid606 rocks, but his live sets sound like max/msp masturbating bad 80s pop.. cool if I didn't have my own bad 80s pop records and granular programs here at the pad (for free, no less). Lest us not forget that the best track on his first album was really a remix by hrvatski (cat steppin, dsp whatever ragga jungle track with computer vocals). Lesser I know the least about (slight pun intended), but what I have heard sounded like a less interesting version of other artist that do drill'n bass. Jamie was the only reason I would have gone.. tis to damn bad.

Despite what it might seem like, I'm normally pretty open to people doing music.. Hell, I really liked e*rock and Nice Nice (to local portland indi/electronic bands) maybe I'm just cynical cause these people do bad music when I know they could do better (good music = structured music, stuff that moves my brain and my ass in sync). Or maybe it was because I wanted some hot jamie action. Now, I won't be able to get all my lidell memorabilia that I expected to see at the show:

jamie action figures (with that kinky kungfu grip)
jamie underoos
jamie lunch pails
.. the list can go on and on (not to even mention all the parts of my body I wanted him to sign.. *sigh* ;)...

btw- these days, it seems live IDM PAs tend to sound like test pattens that ship with the expensive software to show off what they can do. The soul and funk seems removed or hallow.. or painted dayglow yellow and hung out to dry. the fact I already own most of this expensive software makes me wonder why I paid money to hear this shite. Then again, if I didn't own this stuff I'd probably be happy to hear anything that wasn't britny spears (sorry, can't be bothered to spell her name right =).

[V Knid esq]

I saw lesser at last years sonar, and he was wicked... I don't know if i was just in awe of his moustache, but I danced to the whole set and "ooooh"ed and "aaaah"ed when he did his death metal vocals.

[k-dub]

Originally posted by anarchosyn

Despite what it might seem like, I'm normally pretty open to people doing music.. Hell, I really liked e*rock and Nice Nice

yeah e*Rock is a good bud of mine. be sure to check his remix on the Peroxide Mocha "Boogie In Yr Butt" 7" EP. You can pick it up down at Ozone right now or get it from me -- to the rest of you, sorry no distro yet, i will post more info as soon as I can get it out there.

[anarchosyn]

Yeah, I'll have to do that. I liked what he and coleen (sp?) were doing at the hrvatski/greg davis show. Very .. well.. neat, without being cutting edge digital cool (kinda nice to hear good music that doesn't need a reverse or a digital stutter). Coleen was really nice as well, but you buddy didn't seem to interested in chitchattery for whatever reason (I only spoke to him in passing on my way to the bathroom, one of those "hey, I liked your set.. play 'round here much, do ya?" kinda expressions of love_). Even still, he seemed cool.. just not as open to discourse (btw- what provides his beats? I didn't do much trainspotting, but didn't notice any drum boxes off hand).

[k-dub]

actually, i dunno. i've never seen him play live, honestly. only heard his recorded stuff as King Pang and the remixes he's done.

he's kinda shy/quiet... drop him an email or somethin. his label is www.audiodregs.com