KRS ONE talking about obama

[darrell]

Its on the alex jones show so thats a bit off putting, krs ones not my cup of tea ether, but its still interesting to hear his thoughts on the first black president.

starts about a 3rd of the way in..

http://rss.nfowars.net/20090123_Fri_Alex.mp3

[adsr]

I really-really enjoyed this..

altho it's really-really heavy conspiracy and it left me wanting to commit suicide afterwards...but other than that...I enjoyed listening...

[V Knid esq]

You can hear this sort of chat on pirate stations across London any day of the week. It's enjoyable, but very silly.

[adsr]

it's freaking depressing is what it is...

it's one thing to know that we are just a bunch of pawns, it's quite another to have to listen to it being layed out in specific detail...

[V Knid esq]

Yeah it's complete bollocks, though.

As individuals we have very little power, and there is an economic system that is not geared around individuals interests - but this idea that there is a special secret hidden man behind the curtain controlling it all is just people looking for an easy answer when there is none.

It's like saying "that tree's roots are damaging my house - there must be a little man inside the tree controlling it and making it hurt me!!!"

[adsr]

yeah..keep yer head in the sand...it's my motto too!!..

:)

[adsr]

Yeah it's complete bollocks, though.

As individuals we have very little power, and there is an economic system that is not geared around individuals interests - but this idea that there is a special secret hidden man behind the curtain controlling it all is just people looking for an easy answer when there is none.

It's like saying "that tree's roots are damaging my house - there must be a little man inside the tree controlling it and making it hurt me!!!"

I don't think there is ONE little man...I think it's a group or class of people...

just my opinion tho...

[wheezer]

yes, the lizard people.

[adsr]

yes, the lizard people.

You shouldn't blame everything on them...

[Sheridan]

Yeah it's complete bollocks, though.

As individuals we have very little power, and there is an economic system that is not geared around individuals interests - but this idea that there is a special secret hidden man behind the curtain controlling it all is just people looking for an easy answer when there is none.

It's like saying "that tree's roots are damaging my house - there must be a little man inside the tree controlling it and making it hurt me!!!"


They are all just people with an external locus of control.

[adsr]

They are all just people with an external locus of control.

I think that there are very rich people/corporations that have a lot to do with (as in influence) the kind of policy that is being passed and how it affects their pockets and their ability to control what goes in and out of their pockets...
without regard to how it affects individual people...

I do think they exert a lot of power over governments and don't feel that anything will ever change that...

[decadnids]

http://www.lifeforce1.se/conspiracy2/images/Lizard%20Queen.jpg

[adsr]

ok..what is this lizard people stuff ya'll keep going on about??

link please...

[platinum ray]

decadnids's post explains all really

it's a beauty:)

seriously, there's not much more to it than that

[Spandex]

I think that there are very rich people/corporations that have a lot to do with (as in influence) the kind of policy that is being passed and how it affects their pockets and their ability to control what goes in and out of their pockets...

Init.

The lizard people thing is the most extreme and ludicrous example of a theory that says the powerful/rich are actually all aliens/lizardmen who control the world from a secret bunker. Shorthand for "a conspiracy theory so daft that only the mentally ill could believe it".

[Patrick]

ok..what is this lizard people stuff ya'll keep going on about??

link please...
http://knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Lizard-men/

[V Knid esq]

I think that there are very rich people/corporations that have a lot to do with (as in influence) the kind of policy that is being passed and how it affects their pockets and their ability to control what goes in and out of their pockets...
without regard to how it affects individual people...

I do think they exert a lot of power over governments and don't feel that anything will ever change that...

So... there are people who occupy positions of influence within the structures of power? People who could feasibly change things for the better if they wanted, but choose not to?

[Spandex]

You need a holiday or something.

[darrell]

ok..what is this lizard people stuff ya'll keep going on about??

link please...

Its a sweeping generalization, for lazy peeps, that like to tar anything they disagree with. like any one that talks about being a zionist, getting a kosha meat skull cap.

http://www.hatsofmeat.com/Images/5a.jpg

[V Knid esq]

You need a holiday or something.

What do you mean?

Seriously, I'm just asking for clarification. There's an awful lot of slightly vague talk about conspiracies and control on this forum, and I'm keen to find out how people really think this all works.

[penciLneck]

There's an awful lot of slightly vague talk about conspiracies and control on this forum

wtf? where? who's in on it?!?!

I must admit I have moved some threads recently. I guess that's a form of control.

[Patrick]

wtf? where? who's in on it?!?!

I must admit I have moved some threads recently. I guess that's a form of control.

The big L in penciLneck has just taken on a much more sinister meaning than the simple stylistic choice - a sort of kooky, off-kilter camelCase - that I originally thought it was.

Now I realise that L is for .......



DUN DUN DUN !


LIZARD!

[Spandex]

The lizardmen are trying to fool us all into believing they exist.

[Patrick]

It worked for god.

[adsr]

So... there are people who occupy positions of influence within the structures of power? People who could feasibly change things for the better if they wanted, but choose not to?

yes...
or rather; for the better in their estimation would be what's better to their pockets or simply for maintaining power which goes back to their pockets..both are very much linked together in my opinion..
.....
and you make it sound like this hasn't happened in history....

[Patrick]

http://www.whale.to/b/images/capitalism.gif

[Sheridan]

I think that there are very rich people/corporations that have a lot to do with (as in influence) the kind of policy that is being passed and how it affects their pockets and their ability to control what goes in and out of their pockets...
without regard to how it affects individual people...

I do think they exert a lot of power over governments and don't feel that anything will ever change that...


I know and agree.

[bob]

haha what a picture!

[V Knid esq]

http://www.whale.to/b/images/capitalism.gif

That's very accurate. The modern one is identical, except lying trampled and bleeding under the feet of the bottom tier is Jade Goody's mum.

[adsr]

I know and agree.

so I guess this means you'll be lumped in with the lizard people as well...

[V Knid esq]

yes...
or rather; for the better in their estimation would be what's better to their pockets or simply for maintaining power which goes back to their pockets..both are very much linked together in my opinion..
.....
and you make it sound like this hasn't happened in history....

No no, I think all that is quite right. But it's another step from that to believing what Alex Jones is saying, which is that there is a secret global organisation of these people who actually plot to keep things the way they are.

[Spandex]

That's very accurate. The modern one is identical, except lying trampled and bleeding under the feet of the bottom tier is Jade Goody's mum.

Heheheh.. I reckon the bottom tier is full of people competing to get buttfucked and shouting "British wage slavery for British racists!" :)

[Sheridan]

so I guess this means you'll be lumped in with the lizard people as well...

I don't think I should.
When I read your post I was automatically thinking of lobbyists and special interest groups and think tanks who really have a major sway over legislation. At least in America.
I don't think there is a secret shadow government with Svengali vibes going on. But I do know for a fact that the elected officials in this country have less to do with policy making then they ever have before. Think tanks and special interest groups actually sit and come up with a specific topic and break it down to an agenda and actually come up with the rough drafts of legislation they would like to see introduced and passed in Congress. These groups have ties with elected officials and try to strike a mutual accord with politicians to actually initiate legislation in Congress. Many times the kinds of legislation trying to get passed only benefits like minded individuals or class of people.


http://globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/266

[V Knid esq]

I don't think I should.
When I read your post I was automatically thinking of lobbyists and special interest groups and think tanks who really have a major sway over legislation. At least in America.
I don't think there is a secret shadow government with Svengali vibes going on. But I do know for a fact that the elected officials in this country have less to do with policy making then they ever have before. Think tanks and special interest groups actually sit and come up with a specific topic and break it down to an agenda and actually come up with the rough drafts of legislation they would like to see introduced and passed in Congress. These groups have ties with elected officials and try to strike a mutual accord with politicians to actually initiate legislation in Congress. Many times the kinds of legislation trying to get passed only benefits like minded individuals or class of people.

It's easy to believe that government is more corrupt now than in the past, but could that not be just because we have more media, we have more transparency, and thus we have more awareness of the mechanisms? In the past, the corruption was completely shameless, and it was done behind closed doors in the drawing rooms of the artistocracy over a glass of port. Now it's done by companies and consultants in boardrooms...

[adsr]

No no, I think all that is quite right. But it's another step from that to believing what Alex Jones is saying, which is that there is a secret global organisation of these people who actually plot to keep things the way they are.

It's the same thing to me...
first, it's a tight knit group of people who are organized in what they do(so it would be an organization)...(how big or small...i can't say, but if related to the rest of the people in the world, it's small) - there is no way a person of power can make money when the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing..
so there in is the plot part....planning and organizing to keep money in their pockets as well as power takes planning and organizing...

and I'm sure it's a freaking bitch to really find out the details of who they are...there in is the secret part..

we've got FBI, SSA, NSA, CIA...etc...that exist and they can be called a secret organizations (which I'm sure they work together on different tasks)
that work globally to keep things the way they want them to be...so why is it soooo hard to believe that there is a class of people above them??

[Sheridan]

It's easy to believe that government is more corrupt now than in the past, but could that not be just because we have more media, we have more transparency, and thus we have more awareness of the mechanisms? In the past, the corruption was completely shameless, and it was done behind closed doors in the drawing rooms of the artistocracy over a glass of port. Now it's done by companies and consultants in boardrooms...

Yeah, that is a fair point. I hadn't thought about that.
I guess corruption is as old as taxes. :(

[adsr]

I don't think I should.
When I read your post I was automatically thinking of lobbyists and special interest groups and think tanks who really have a major sway over legislation. At least in America.
I don't think there is a secret shadow government with Svengali vibes going on. But I do know for a fact that the elected officials in this country have less to do with policy making then they ever have before. Think tanks and special interest groups actually sit and come up with a specific topic and break it down to an agenda and actually come up with the rough drafts of legislation they would like to see introduced and passed in Congress. These groups have ties with elected officials and try to strike a mutual accord with politicians to actually initiate legislation in Congress. Many times the kinds of legislation trying to get passed only benefits like minded individuals or class of people.


http://globalpublicmedia.com/transcripts/266

who pays for the lobbists,special interest groups, and think tanks???

[adsr]

It's easy to believe that government is more corrupt now than in the past, but could that not be just because we have more media, we have more transparency, and thus we have more awareness of the mechanisms? In the past, the corruption was completely shameless, and it was done behind closed doors in the drawing rooms of the artistocracy over a glass of port. Now it's done by companies and consultants in boardrooms...

You've got a flip flopping situation going on here knid...

[Sheridan]

who pays for the lobbists,special interest groups, and think tanks???

private companies usually bank roll them.
read the article I linked to.

[thepigjockey]

flip flop mop

http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Flip%20Flop%20Mop.jpg

[adsr]

private companies usually bank roll them.
read the article I linked to.

so it's private companies...

I'm guessing this means they aren't owned by the public then??
but by a small group of people??

I don't think there is a secret shadow government

The private companies are the government....

[Sheridan]

so it's private companies...

I'm guessing this means they aren't owned by the public then??
but by a small group of people??

I don't think there is a secret shadow government

The private companies are the government....


Public and private. Both.
It doesn't matter. People who have money.

[adsr]

flip flop mop

http://www.blavish.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Flip%20Flop%20Mop.jpg

I want...

[penciLneck]

Now I realise that L is for .......



DUN DUN DUN !


LIZARD!

It actually stands for the Lemon who goes through all the fake spam accounts on http://www.stopforumspam.com/

my kingdom for a VB mod that completely automates that chore...

[wheezer]

penciLneck, you have just divulged a level of nerdiness that I honestly do not envy you for