Voodoo that Yoodoo .....

[invisibleplanet]

So far, stop the war protests, and pleas to our governments have all drawn a blind regarding attempts to prevent the destruction of th Iraq's population, existing infrastructure, and relics, and so , it is with deep angst that me and some friends try a new tack this weekend...

a voodoo ritual against BUSH.

this weekend, we took 'action man'
we pinned print-outs of BUSH's likeness onto action man
stuck pins in him, a paper-clip up his arse, and mutilated him to the depth of our anger with the war situation.

we dangled this effigy of George Bush, over two candles from the lightshade using a belt of cowries.... (old symbol of money)

we were full of murderous glee, as we stuck sharp pins into BUSH's blind eyes, gagged his lying mouth and plunged sharp implements into his evil brain.
we wrapped around with elastic bands, to cut off the flow of bloodm bound his harsh hands behind his back, tied his ankles to stop him from running away.

we wrote on him the slogan: 'REGIME CHANGE BEGINS AT HOME' ..

we lit a marlboro cigarette which we pushed into a hole we'd made with a plastic biro in Bush's back

I'm calling on anyone here, who is incensed with the situation in Iraq, to devise their own voodoo ritual to direct their anger towards those who would manipulate the earth to their own ends...

who will join me in the daily 'stick one on BUSH' voodoo ritual? Use anything u have and make a likeness of him!!

I'll post some stills of the voodoo torture when I have more time, but the vid needs editing and sound adding atm.

[phil]

Whats wrong with George bush? America are doing a superb job in Iraq, bringing down that terrible regime.

[invisibleplanet]

he's a fucking neo-nazi, that's what is wrong with him.

http://www.baltech.org/estep/

here's a good likeness of him...
enlarge it and use it as target practice.

http://www.invisibleplanet.pwp.blueyo nder.co.uk/erutufon/300-p25695-23.jpg

[Weishaupt]

hes a fuking neo nazi?maybe..........but he is the leader of your american colonies on a other continent. hes a brother of all british people.

[mr franks]

once you have voodoo'ed bush could you start on donald rumsfeld. hes an evil fucker. bush is just stupid oil man.

[mr franks]

Originally posted by Weishaupt
hes a fuking neo nazi?maybe..........but he is the leader of your american colonies on a other continent. hes a brother of all british people.

hes not my brother.

[phil]

Im up for george Bush, hes funny.

[goinz]

phil? was it fun?

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Weishaupt
hes a fuking neo nazi?maybe..........but he is the leader of your american colonies on a other continent. hes a brother of all british people.

i sense sarcasm here!!

defo no bro of the brits...
all my neighbours would strongly disagree!

[phil]

whos your neighbours?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Harold Bishop

[invisibleplanet]

you're next phil...in with cheney in a vat of whine :)

[phil]

IP spreading your kooky brand of hate is akin to talking about gasing jews on a certain level. Lets try and be constructive.

[invisibleplanet]

how incongruent of you, phil.
slander one moment, and rally the next.

[phil]

I don't like the spreading of hatred. Be it a large political figure like George Bush or just an simple animal ( the kicking of it) Hatred should be observed and snipped at the bud. Because hated in my eyes leads to murder.

[V Knid esq]

"I don't like the spreading of hatred."
"Id kick the fuck out of you all if i saw you."

errrr.... :/

[phil]

i was joking.

[V Knid esq]

When? The first time or the second time? Or all the time? Or can't you tell any more?

[Weishaupt]

mensch phil
halt doch mal deine blöde schnauze du idiot. du bist echt das größte wichsäffchen hier. gib mal ruhe du klomann!!!!!!!!

[phil]

muhahahhahah you haters waste your time on little me. you are the weak and the pitiful. muhahaha

[Ubik]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/pic09961.gif

[Weishaupt]

great ubik

[Ubik]

tenks

[invisibleplanet]

yes -good to see a more hassvoll picture than the white house press scheisse is welcome. he really looks like he's got a paperclip up his arse in that picture, Ubik! Thanks!

[alex cortex]

the "pic" posted by ubik should also look good with aznar, who already has the moustache and haircut. he's also making good efforts in his longing to be like dubya.

[invisibleplanet]

who's aznar?

[Ubik]

spanish prime minister......
what about the bloody berlusconi?

[invisibleplanet]

make dolls of our power-crazed heads of state,
this vicarious theatre of hate.

[Loz]

in 1981 the US vetoed a UN resolution on working to ban chemical and biological weapons.

And look where it got them.

[Ubik]

waitin' for the voodoo: action directe against the war!!
http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/reti_02.jpg

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/08.jpgt8itwc.jpg

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/03.jpgfo91rf.jpg

[4md]

where was it ?

[invisibleplanet]

yeah - where was that?

[Ubik]

north east of italy (vicenza), outside a usa military base

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Loz
in 1981 the US vetoed a UN resolution on working to ban chemical and biological weapons.

And look where it got them.

gave them enough time to sell surplus stocks of napalm to saddham?

probably the stuff with the heavy genetic-transformative dioxin in it

another pin in bush's head - looking like a hellraiser demon know :illin:

[Ubik]

and what about this:

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/cluster_bomb.jpg

[invisibleplanet]

it's probably full of pesticide laden freeze dried vegetables and PORK.

great fotos, Ubik...so here goes another pin in bush's voodoo effigy.

[tjackalko]

You know that horrible gasing and bombing of a city in northern Iraq Saddam did in the eighties just to keep Iran from taking it? The one american media keep shouting about in an atempt to justify the war? That same day the U.S. decided to open their embassy in Iraq. You know who was the ambassador with this big honor? Donald Rumsfeldt.

Theyre just old buddies fighting it out, with civilians taking the hit.

[invisibleplanet]

aah yes, i remember - one lot of ex-cold warriors arming iran, and the americans and brits arming iraq...

the idiocy doesn't seem to stop there either..

but ok - rumsfeld's next :voodoo:

[Loz]

Is is me or does Donald Rumsfield look like a rock spider?

(if you have an Australian slang dictionary, look up 'rock spider' and you'll know what I mean. In fact, you probably know what I mean already)

[invisibleplanet]

i don't know Loz, u will have to show me!
however, did anyone make a voodoo doll yet?

[Ubik]

Rumsfield:
http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/buiobuione8/alta.htm

Iraq:
http://www.atranaya.org/MultiMedia/Excutions.wmv

The second link is very hard to see

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by tjackalko
You know that horrible gasing and bombing of a city in northern Iraq Saddam did in the eighties just to keep Iran from taking it? The one american media keep shouting about in an atempt to justify the war? That same day the U.S. decided to open their embassy in Iraq. You know who was the ambassador with this big honor? Donald Rumsfeldt.

Theyre just old buddies fighting it out, with civilians taking the hit.

Saddam is probably at Camp David taking it easy with his old pals Bush and Rumsfeld, just had a nice bath, getting his moustache trimmed and luxoriating with some nice US State dept and fluffy slippers and bathrobe asking Bush if he fancies a quick game of Backgammon - Bush saying he rather stick to the Checkers/Draughts as all them complicated moves and counting above 5 is too confusing...

[invisibleplanet]

argh! this is not really conspiracy theory territory!
very amusing @imagination of what things could be like though.

when u think about it, the reality is that this is just part of a series of orchestrated manouvres by the USA, which will impact on many cultures and countries worldwide..

could this be the death of the last bastions of communism?
could this be the beginning of the decline in world air travel?

there are so many ways to look at this situation...
but w'hey! stick another pin in bush! this one's for the freezing of non-oil engine patents!!

[grobelaar]

The voodoo thing is good, but need a few more bits and pieces for it to work properly... perhaps we can get some of his hair... then we can make a start...

[invisibleplanet]

too late! the spirits of lucky hoodoo have been mobilised...
i don't think this breed of remote voodoo requires hair, it's enough that the doll is a likeness of bush...

[grobelaar]

Trying to find something about voodoo on the internet is quite difficult, seems like quite a popular word... here's something I found...

http://www.voodoomachine.com/

I like how they state 'legal' as one of the benefits, as clearly legal drugs are always good for you... I bet for the full sexual effect you have to attached the electrodes to something other than your ear-lobes...

[invisibleplanet]

try searching for santeria, bertiaux, and hoodoo ;)

[Ubik]

OAKLAND, Calif., April 7 — Â*Police fired wooden dowels and bean-bag pellets Monday at hundreds of antiwar protesters blocking a road near Oakland’s port. Demonstrators and bystanders were injured as police dispersed the protest which was intended to block supplies being shipped to U.S. forces fighting in Iraq.


http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/oakland_docks2.jpg

[tjackalko]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
aah yes, i remember - one lot of ex-cold warriors arming iran, and the americans and brits arming iraq...

the idiocy doesn't seem to stop there either..

but ok - rumsfeld's next :voodoo:

Hey don´t forget that when it looked like Iraq was about to win the war against Iran the U.S. started to give weapons to the Iranians so the war could continue. At least they believe in some kind of equality.

[CHIP TRONIC]

bush´s fight against the axis of the evil....

haha...

reminds me of DUNE

battle for arrakis. battle for spice.
Now :

battle for earth.

or how Neil Landstrumm expressed it in a track name :

USA WANTS MORE OIL.

[invisibleplanet]

i believe that the 'alien' pop-culture has a more sinister meaning.

i think it was hijacked by 50's America, and used as a meme transmitter for Black Propaganda against immigrants, and non-Americans.
I believe that it's been used to promote fear in those citizens who don't believe in one God.
I believe that the promulgation of 'The Threat of Aliens' has been hijacked by the US Government and used as a tool of control and manipulation over the last 50 years.

Does anyone else have these thoughts?

[invisibleplanet]

ok - i digressed somewhat there!

Originally posted by Ubik
OAKLAND, Calif., April 7 — Â*Police fired wooden dowels and bean-bag pellets Monday at hundreds of antiwar protesters blocking a road near Oakland’s port. Demonstrators and bystanders were injured as police dispersed the protest which was intended to block supplies being shipped to U.S. forces fighting in Iraq.


http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/oakland_docks2.jpg

Ubik - Thanks for bringing this violence and control over Freedom of Speech to our attention.

This current maltreatment of American Anti-war Protesters is an important exposure of the disregard for the American Constitution, which the current Government is constantly cites to it's People during 'Operation Iraqi Freedom'.

We have seen nothing on the Television in the UK about this protest, nor have I seen anything yet in the British Press.
The current suppression of any information which would counter the Controlled Media Propaganda prevents important stories like this, )(which at any other time would be headline news), from receiving
deserved attention.

I am appalled, though not surprised.

[grobelaar]

Shit, that's rough - I have been wondering if this new wave or rightwing politics is a naturally reaction to the recent left and right of centre politics of most western democratic systems - the right has been losing out - and so has become extreme in its policies to distance itself from their opponents in government...

Bring on the Wombles... they'll show 'em

[Ubik]

In 1980, the city of Detroit gave Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein the key to the city.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030326-105553-3354r


@ip, for me it's a reason of life.....

[invisibleplanet]

I've been reading more about the Zapatist movement, and about how women took up arms in the struggle for land. I found this fascinating newsletter with infos on the Zapatists structure, yesterday: SchNEWS (http://www.ainfos.ca/00/mar/ainfos00072.html) the weekly direct action newsletter
published by Justice? in Brighton, England (pub. Mar 2000)

@Ubik: a reason for life: yes! because i feel the multi-national run Governments are against life, not the life we are sold, but the life we need to live in order to ensure that the human race can co-exist with nature.

[Ubik]

I' ve been too times in mexico, the first we bring a idroturbine in a village that doesn' t have electricity (in a region plenty of oil), the second time for the zapatist march....an amazing experience!

More info about Oakland:
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/1597560.php


I know that fighting against the system is a "Don Chisciotte della Mancia" war, but i' m a dreamer

[invisibleplanet]

you are a dreamer who lives the dream, Ubik!

have u written about your idroturbine mission to mexico'? i'd be interested to read about it!

[Ubik]

http://www.nadir.org/nadir/aktuell/2001/02/04/2562.html
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/solid/zap_in_italy_se97.html
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2000/dic00/001202/024n1pol.html
http://www.yabasta.it/viaggioturbina/comunicato0212.html

[Ubik]

Other link, but in italian or spanish
http://www.sherwood.it/portal/article.php?sid=221
http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2001/oct01/011006/024n1pol.html

[gunjack]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
who's aznar?


ouch.

[Loz]

When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History
by Thom Hartmann

The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933.
They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.
It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)
But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted.
He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world.

His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.
Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response.

When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.
"You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.

Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.
Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus.
Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism. To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State", passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police
agencies would be re-restrained.
Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.
Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings.
Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.)
Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will."
As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.
Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.

His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity."

Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.
Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome
"intellectuals" and "liberals."

He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.
He appointed one of his most trusted associates to be leader of this new agency, the Central Security Office for the homeland, and gave it a role in the government equal to the other major departments.

His assistant who dealt with the press noted that, since the terrorist attack, "Radio and press are at our disposal." Those voices questioning the legitimacy of their nation's leader, or raising questions about his checkered past, had by now faded from the public's recollection as his central security office began advertising a program encouraging people to phone in tips about suspicious neighbors.

This program was so successful that the names of some of the people
"denounced" were soon being broadcast on radio stations. Those denounced often included opposition politicians and celebrities who
dared speak out - a favorite target of his regime and the media he now controlled through intimidation and ownership by corporate allies.
To consolidate his power, he concluded that government alone wasn't enough. He reached out to industry and forged an alliance, bringing former executives of the nation's largest corporations into high government positions. A flood of government money poured into corporate coffers to fight the war against the Middle Eastern ancestry terrorists lurking within the homeland, and to prepare for wars overseas.

He encouraged large corporations friendly to him to acquire media outlets and other industrial concerns across the nation, particularly those previously owned by suspicious people of Middle Eastern ancestry. He built powerful alliances with industry; one corporate ally got the lucrative contract worth millions to build the first large-scale detention center for enemies of the state.
Soon more would follow. Industry flourished.
But after an interval of peace following the terrorist attack, voices of dissent again arose within and without the government. Students had started an active program opposing him (later known as the White Rose Society), and leaders of nearby nations were speaking out against his bellicose rhetoric.

He needed a diversion, something to direct people away from the corporate cronyism being exposed in his own government, questions of his possibly illegitimate rise to power, and the oft-voiced concerns of civil libertarians about the people being held in detention without due process or access to attorneys or family.

With his number two man - a master at manipulating the media - he began a campaign to convince the people of the nation that a small, limited war was necessary. Another nation was harboring many of the suspicious Middle Eastern people, and even though its connection with the terrorist who had set afire the nation's most important building was tenuous at best, it held resources their nation badly needed if they were to have room to live and maintain their prosperity.

He called a press conference and publicly delivered an ultimatum to the leader of the other nation, provoking an international uproar. He claimed the right to strike preemptively in self-defense, and nations across Europe -at first - denounced him for it, pointing out that it was a doctrine only claimed in the past by nations seeking worldwide empire, like Caesar's Rome or Alexander's Greece.
It took a few months, and intense international debate and lobbying with European nations, but, after he personally met with the leader of the United Kingdom, finally a deal was struck. After the military action began, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain told the nervous British people that giving in to this leader's new first-strike doctrine would bring "peace for our time."
Thus Hitler annexed Austria in a lightning move, riding a wave of popular support as leaders so often do in times of war. The Austrian government was unseated and replaced by a new leadership friendly to Germany, and German corporations began to take over Austrian resources.
In a speech responding to critics of the invasion, Hitler said, "Certain foreign newspapers have said that we fell on Austria with brutal methods. I can only say; even in death they cannot stop lying. I have in the course of my political struggle won much love from my people, but when I crossed the former frontier [into Austria] there met me such a stream of love as I have never experienced. Not as tyrants have we come, but as liberators."
To deal with those who dissented from his policies, at the advice of his olitically savvy advisors, he and his handmaidens in the press began a campaign to equate him and his policies with patriotism and the nation itself. National unity was essential, they said, to ensure that the terrorists or their sponsors didn't think they'd succeeded in splitting the nation or weakening its will. In times of war, they said, there could be only "one people, one nation, and one commander-in-chief" ("Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer"), and so his advocates in the media began a nationwide campaign
charging that critics of his policies were attacking the nation itself. Those questioning him were labeled "anti-German" or "not good Germans," and it was suggested they were aiding the enemies of the state by failing in the patriotic necessity of supporting the nation's valiant men in uniform. It was one of his most effective ways to stifle dissent and pit wage-earning people (from whom most of the army came) against the "intellectuals and liberals" who were critical of his policies.

Nonetheless, once the "small war" annexation of Austria was successfully and quickly completed, and peace returned, voices of opposition were again raised in the Homeland. The almost-daily release of news bulletins about the dangers of terrorist communist cells wasn't enough to rouse the populace and totally suppress dissent. A full-out war was necessary to divert public attention from the growing rumbles within the country about disappearing dissidents; violence against liberals, Jews, and union leaders; and the epidemic of crony capitalism that was producing empires of wealth in the corporate sector but threatening the middle class's way of life.

A year later, to the week, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia; the nation was now fully at war, and all internal dissent was suppressed in the name of national security. It was the end of Germany's first experiment with democracy.
As we conclude this review of history, there are a few milestones worth remembering. February 27, 2003, was the 70th anniversary of Dutch terrorist Marinus van der Lubbe's successful firebombing of the German Parliament (Reichstag) building, the terrorist act that catapulted Hitler to legitimacy and reshaped the German constitution. By the time of his successful and brief action to seize Austria, in which almost no German blood was shed, Hitler was the most beloved and popular leader in the history of his nation.
Hailed around the world, he was later Time magazine's "Man Of The Year."
Most Americans remember his office for the security of the homeland, known as the Reichssicherheitshaupta=mt and its SchutzStaffel, simply by its most famous agency's initials: the SS.
We also remember that the Germans developed a new form of highly violent warfare they named "lightning war" or blitzkrieg, which, while generating devastating civilian losses, also produced a highly desirable
"shock and awe" among the nation's leadership, according to the authors of the 1996 book "Shock And Awe" published by the National Defense University Press.
Reflecting on that time, The American Heritage Dictionary (Houghton Mifflin Company, 1983) left us this definition of the form of government the German democracy had come to through Hitler's close alliance with the largest German corporations and his policy of using war as a tool to keep power: fas-cism (fbsh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism."

Today, as we face financial and political crises, it's useful to remember that the ravages of the Great Depression hit Germany and the United States alike. Through the 1930s, however, Hitler and Roosevelt chose very different courses to bring their nations back to power and prosperity.

Germany's response was to use government to empower corporations and reward the society's richest individuals, privatize much of the commons, stifle dissent, strip people of constitutional rights, and create an illusion of prosperity through continual and ever-expanding war. America passed minimum wage laws to raise the middle class, enforced anti-trust laws to diminish the power of corporations, increased taxes on corporations and the wealthiest individuals, created Social Security, and became the employer of last resort through programs to build national infrastructure,
promote the arts, and replant forests.
To the extent that our Constitution is still intact, the choice is again ours.

Thom Hartmann lived and worked in Germany during the 1980s, and is the author of over a dozen books, including "Unequal Protection" and "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight." This article is copyright by Thom Hartmann, but permission is granted for reprint in print, email, blog, or web media so long as this credit is attached.

[gunjack]

thanx loz!

[invisibleplanet]

yeah - wow!

and here is a statement from Hermann Goerring, which I felt was relevant to Loz's infos.

orignally by Hermann Goerring
"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."


- Hermann Goerring

[grobelaar]

Shit, I knew there was parallels, but that is scary, no wonder that German minister likened Bush to Hitler and that close to the 70th anniversary as well so it would have been fresh in people's minds in Germany...

I do wander perhaps that this is isn't some weird mystical history repeating itself, but merely that if you look into the world of power and politics, that are certain moves you can make, certain plays that you can use. Perhaps this is one of the bolder and more riskier ones, perhaps Bush thinks he can succeed where Hitler fail and forge himself a world Imperium - whether that is a good or bad thing remains to be seen - forging it, like most Empires is generally done in toil and bloodshed...

[invisibleplanet]

some more super historic quotes
http://www.firethistime.org/quotes.htm

[amble]

it's always the fear that manipulates people the most. may it be the fear of foreign invaders or the fear of being too fat or whatever, it all works the same way.

and lots of folks like it when decisions are made for them and they can just sit down, watch a bit of war while having dinner and relax. or something.

[Loz]

Another interesting thing I found out the other day.

In 1988 Tony Blair voted against condemning Saddam Hussein for the chemical attack against the Kurds, as was the party line of the Labour party at the time.

[invisibleplanet]

Suit over anti-Bush T-shirt ban
By Jennifer Bundy in Charleston, West Virginia
15sep04

A US couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to a July 4 presidential appearance filed a federal lawsuit alleging their constitutional rights were violated.

Nicole and Jeff Rank were removed from the event at the West Virginia Capitol in handcuffs after revealing T-shirts with President George W. Bush's name crossed out on the front. Nicole Rank's shirt had the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back and Jeff Rank's said "Regime change starts at home".
Their lawsuit was filed in federal court by American Civil Liberties Union attorneys.

"What is at stake here transcends politics," Jeff Rank said at a news conference at the Capitol. "What is at stake is the right of all Americans - Democrats, Republicans and independents, all Americans - to peacefully voice their dissent to their government."

Trespassing charges filed against the couple were later dismissed. The City Council and Mayor Danny Jones have publicly apologised.

The lawsuit names Gregory Jenkins, deputy assistant to the president and director of the White House Office of Presidential Advance, and W. Ralph Basham, director of the US Secret Service, as defendants.

The couple wants a judge to declare unconstitutional any policy that led to their arrest. They also are seeking unspecified monetary damages.

Spokesmen for the Secret Service and the US Department of Justice, to whom a White House spokesman directed questions, declined to comment. Both said their agencies do not comment on ongoing litigation.

The ACLU filed a federal lawsuit last September against the Secret Service, seeking an injunction against the Bush administration for segregating protesters at his public appearances. The Secret Service agreed to stop the practice.

Jeff Rank, 29, said he and his wife wore the T-shirts because, "When you see the president speak on TV he is usually shown surrounded by fervent supporters only. While we wanted to hear him out and while we wanted to see him in person, we did not want to be added to the tally of Bush supporters that day."

Nicole Rank, 30, initially was dismissed from her job with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, but was rehired after the charges were dropped.
source: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10772543%255E1702,00.ht ml



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