Mosquito 20 - poor sales

[CV]

Very poor sales figures on our last release , MosMania 20 by Jamie Lidell aka George Lister - whats up with y'all ???? - if only 25% of the members of this board bought a copy we would have sold more than it has !

a real shame for us that... oh well

[phil]

Cristian, what did you think of that record?

[bitch one]

do you even bother distributing mos releases to uk record shops? i never see them.

[arar]

..it just wasnt my cup of tea...

[arar]

...we never seem to get a huge volume of Mosquito stuff in Glasgow, not that I went looking for this one like I did the last two..

[kungfoo]

Perhaps it's too IDM-like for the most people. I love this record (and i bought it, hehe), but it's definitely not a "typical brighton-tune" (let's be careful ...) and furthermore it's not another mosquito 8.

[goinz]

I bought it but yes it wasn't what i expected

[decadnids]

Originally posted by kungfoo
but it's definitely not a "typical brighton-tune" (let's be careful ...) probably a good job, else it would be proper crap *- evil grin -*

[phil]

if you want to sell records to make loads of money Cristian i suggest making some club bangers like the neptunes, people will lap that shit up.. If u dont want to make money then release what you like. I do think that more people should of copped it.
i liked it.

[c s]

i'm still waiting for my record shop to get me an intact copy - there was one unit but it looked so rotten & 2nd hand that i refused... the contents were cool enuff, no doubt.

[ischo]

if only i had a rekkid playa.....

[invisibleplanet]

O shit - is it on vinyl?
That's no good 4 me personally.
I have only a pc soundsystem and no deck.

But I will talk to the boyz...

because our local stockist does not stock this: http://www.innercityrecords.co.uk - Paul

G.Lister no matches found
Mosquito no matches found

[wheezer]

still can't buy any mosquitos up here *nudgenudgewinkwink*

[phil]

IP, why dont you buy a turn table? Then you can play Vinyl. And you can collect records and hand them down to your children. Rather than shit cd's and tapes.

[invisibleplanet]

That's a matter for taste, phil, and I'm no DJ
'I'm an analog girl in a digital world', but I'm sure I won't buy a another record deck..I've already owned several decks during my life....and I prefer my TEAC CD-RW.

I will gladly buy digital copies of this, subject to stringent non-file sharing agreement, of course ;)

[mattp]

I bought it ... and I liked it.... but I do seem to be in the minority.

[phil]

imagine the glum look on your childs face as you hand him a bunch of gypo cd-rs written on in that permanant black ink. how rubbish that will be for him. Im not a "DJ" whatever that is. i just like having big music disks . its not about taste its about if your in to music enough. obviously your just a cheapskate.

[MUX]

phil?

[decadnids]

thats a good pac man vomiting shit Mux, did you make it?

[mattp]

mux ... nice I like that ....

[invisibleplanet]

now is probably not the time to challenge me about this, phil.
my child does not have a preference for music format, and when i hand him my record collection, I will be dead.

I will gladly buy the music in digital format, and I am sure we can come to some agreement/arrangement.

[MUX]

nah.. found and have been waiting for the good time to use it...
twaz perfekt uzage timin'

[phil]

how can you hand him your collection when your dead?

[phil]

whats digital?

[MUX]

back to the topic...
i think G.lister was slightly more abstract tahn the usual sound...
i surely didnt get it, but as the other i dont spin

maybe a production name shouldn't have been used?

[invisibleplanet]

perfect timing, yes...

mosquito...u have mail :)

twice - as I missed the cat details off the first :(

[decadnids]

Havn't heard G.Lister - I should do it sounds like it might be pretty good.
is their anywhere where I can hear a sampler of it before I commit my hard earned cash a roonies?

[bob]

still not seen it in Glasgow ...else I prob would have bought it

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.no-future.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?&threadid=1862

[decadnids]

Am listening to the mp3 download of it, its good, more people should buy it actually.
quite like the fractured beats, and little melodies that slide about and stuff.
when I get some spare cash it might be a buy...

[Virus]

i am sorry to say that i too have trouble getting hold of mosquito releases even in the 'better' ( for techno ) london shops

dunno if there is a problem with distribution or if i have gone blind or something, but i never see them on the racks

i have even asked about ordering them in and its been kind of "i know a man who maybe can..." more like an illicit deal than buying tunes, perhaps its just me, or judging by this thread , not so...

[Marolo]

Saying you can't find is a bad excuse I think, you can easily buy it on the web i.e www.juno.co.uk or www.nuloop.com plus countless other places. If you really want it, go after it or at least admit you didn't like it.

[phil]

who said about the style council comparison?

[Virus]

no i have not heard it, so honestly cannot say if i liked it or not

as for buying tunes online, i have had multiple mega bad experiences with stuff going missing on transit ( though not from the companied you mentioned) so its not really something i like to do

[CV]

Phil - I really like what you're saying about a vinyl collection being something big and alive and real.

But as you know , I don't release records to make money. I think this record is a piece of an important chapter in the story of a very special musician's life. Not only that , but it sounds really good when you're stoned , or as you never came down , it should sound good to you always. I really dig this record , its fuckin unique.

[Weishaupt]

???
i have my copy and i like it.....................
what should i say..its jamie

[phil]

What do you mean "never come down" I dont smoke weed anymore.

[amble]

i finally ordered it yesterday and will hopefully get my copy tomorrow along with some other stuff. thought that the mp3-preview track was amazing, i hope the rest is as good as this one (guess there's a good chance..)

jamie never let me down ever since.

but i think the problem about records like this one is that they stuck between various 'genres' and there's not so many people really being so openminded to welcome that when buying records which is a shame. it's not allways easy to be innovative.

btw is there any bits available for listening of the collabo of jamie and herbert (he talked about it in the overload interview) yet? i'm curious what it sounds like.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by amble

but i think the problem about records like this one is that they stuck between various 'genres' and there's not so many people really being so openminded to welcome that when buying records which is a shame. it's not allways easy to be innovative.


thats the problems with genres, artists get stuck and when they do what they feel like doing people get a little weirded out. its a shame.

from the mp3 preview it sounded like good honest electronic musick.

[Sheridan]

I would like to pick up a copy but I am just plain broke.
I haven't bought any new records in a long time. :(

[wired]

hmm cristian... as somebody said, it's no typical club-based brighton stuff... maybe some people thought the next lidell-release sounds like msq08 & tiva13... but on msq20 there's only one track i ever heard at the neue heimat club...
i bought it, it's a nice record, but not easy to play in a club...

[Marolo]

Here is the reason why I didn't buy it:
I heard it and like it very much but it's not the type of thing I like to have on vinyl. I already have too much vinyl, so as much as I like it, I only buy stuff on vinyl which I will mix with, i.e dancefloor stuff. I think stuff like mosquito 20 (more downtempo electronic stuff) would be more appropriate for a CD release, and
I think that this could partially be why the sales were low.

[decadnids]

its a shame that people feel that because it's not dance floor that its not needed to be on vinyl, I think - I like vinyl, and even. I have quite a lot of early electronic musick on vinyl, and the format suites it VERY well, in my honest opinion.

[Weishaupt]

i think we dont must talk about the motivation to collect records.
but....from my view....i buy records not only for the club. for my the private entertaiment it is important to play with records too.
in my private time i dont hear just electronic dance stuff but it must be a record.

records are agile.

[Sheridan]

I understand what marolo was saying, but I love to have all kinds of stuff on vinyl. I used to only buy records that I would dj in a set. but then I started to buy stuff that I wouldn't really play in a set. and granted they don't get much air time, but sometimes when I am just hanging out and want to hear a record I will put it on. like the odd ball records I wouldn't play out. it is just like putting on a cd, in theory.

I heard a sample of the mos20 and liked it very much. that is a kind of record that I would probably never play in a dj set (don't know since I haven't heard the whole thing) but I would throw it on and listen to it while I was getting dressed after a shower. a nice record to set the mood for the day ahead. that kind of thing.

[Marolo]

What I'm saying is that I now have had to make that decision to not buy non-dancefloor stuff on vinyl (including reggae/rock etc) because it is just not practical for someone who travels a lot and is not stuck in one place/country like me.
I too have a lot of electronic music on vinyl and I love it but try travelling/moving with over 1000 records.

[Sheridan]

I feel you on that one man. moving around when you have a record collection in the 4 digit area can be tough.

[Lady E]

UK distribution has been a big problem
we used to be with SRD before we moved to EFA. EFA work with SRd in the UK and they thought we didnt want them to do Mosquito just in the Uk (which wasnt the case) so we ended up with people like Shellshock and now, some other company ive never heard of. ive tried to change it, ive spoken to some shops but its made no difference.

BUT - thankfully it looks like we will be returning to SRD who are at least well known and have good coverage.

i really love this EP - but its definitely not as dancefloor as Mosquito usually is. We are selling stuff on Warpmart when they put the stock up so should sell some that way

and vinyl is so much the best format...just got Meteorites album test pressings and the warmth and depth to the sound is so brilliant. its just a pain in the arse turning them over to listen to the other side.

[audiofelch]

I want it right now! I love everthnbg jamies released so far and want everyhting i can get my hands on, does anyone know of any other lesser known releases... i only have the supercollider stuff, muddlin gear and a cool trak on a noodles foundation comp... hes one of those artists that i want to trak in his dvelopments.. and its exactly the fact that hes between all these genres and hibrow/lowbrow definitions that i dig.... So..anyone that has a list of releases... speak!

[Ruben A]

@cristian - great that you DID release this kind of music!
But as many other things - the money needs to come in, at least to pay off the production price. It´s sad to hear it didn´t went as planned...! :( hmmm...

cheer up!

[Weishaupt]

jamie releses are always great. i now nothing by him what crap is.
the K7 record is THE shit. i like this "dirty-dancing-soundtrack"-style with jamie loyley voice.

hes defently a reason for this kind of living for me.
(i hope anybody understand this set)

[Marolo]

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jamie_Lidell

[invisibleplanet]

It sounds really good!
I wish I had a deck.
I know it this would be great in the second arena of my local techno club night.

[marcel]

Originally posted by goinz
I bought it but yes it wasn't what i expected

metoo, and i like it, although i hoped for a new tiva13 because it was said to be a technorecord

--
how much members does this board have?

[grobelaar]

Nah, nah I love it, I think it’s a cool record –It’s funky and creepy, slowly luring you into its groove…

I’m not a DJ, never really had the urge to mix I wouldn’t mind doing it in a John Peel stylee, just playing records that you like, can’t be chewed with mixing… but I love vinyl and I love buying records and I love it when you watch a record player – that needle ploughing its way through that groove, bumping over the peaks and troughs of the bass and skipping over the high frequencies – beautiful…

CD/computers might be considered more technological advanced but they can only hope to emulate a record player; something entirely more sophisticated – in a league of its own…

[grobelaar]

@Cristian: Hope sales pick up - dunno how things like this work but do you have any sort time limit before distributors give up and boxes of rekkids are consigned to gather dust in warehouses...

I know in publishing the whole sale or return nature means that there is a six month window before your stuff ends up in 'The Works' (or other publisher's clearing stores) - but sale or return means you can literally stuff shops full of stock...

[d-stroy]

Originally posted by cristian
Very poor sales figures on our last release , MosMania 20

well, i have it, such our posse, surely more for homelistening and quite not something like our fav. jamie release "safety in numbers", but we like it.

rather a distribution then a record matter.

at least one good thing that poor sales brings, no need to search desperatly for some excuses when somebody catches you with quite some booze...

...who cares, DRINK UP!

[KaOz]

this record rulez, and i bought it. for me one of the best mosqs

[7875]

finding a Mosquito release in my town is extemely rare. of the two shops that regularly stock techno, they may order two copies each so i have to show up at the right time on the right day to get it. might have to just order them through Sonic Groove.

[JE:5]

I haven't seen a mosquito record in a shop since 96'!!

[jukka]

Originally posted by emma
...just got Meteorites album test pressings and the warmth and depth to the sound is so brilliant. its just a pain in the arse turning them over to listen to the other side.

is there a chance for a cd as well ???

[Yer_Maw]

Originally posted by Virus
no i have not heard it, so honestly cannot say if i liked it or not

as for buying tunes online, i have had multiple mega bad experiences with stuff going missing on transit ( though not from the companied you mentioned) so its not really something i like to do

have you tried www.groovetech.com? ive got some stuff off that with no problems. you also get real audio clips of all the tracks off eps.

[Lady E]

jukka - meteorites will be released on cd too.

[jukka]

great emma.....thx
do you have a release date fixed so far ?
:D

[c s]

re: rather get it on cd because it's 'cd style music' - i don't understand that argument: if it's music i want to have i'll buy it no matter which format. i generally do prefer cds as i don't dj but if it's just available on vinyl (which is of course the case with a lot of stuff here) (and if i don't manage to get a promo :D) then i'll buy it as vinyl, no problem.

re: not usual club style - yes indeed, that's what makes it different from many other streamlined releases i guess.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by emma
jukka - meteorites will be released on cd too.

yay!

reserve me a copy!!

[LEFTHANDLOU]

I can't find any MosQ stuff here at all. I would have picked it up, but alas :( I like the download though.......I'll keep an eye out for it.

[Yer_Maw]

why dont you start selling the stuff yourselves? to us.

[7875]

it should be manditory that you own a record player if you want to be part of the erutufon family.

[invisibleplanet]

lol
good point yer_maw

[Marolo]

Originally posted by Yer_Maw
why dont you start selling the stuff yourselves? to us.

YES! I really think its the way forward! It is a lot of work but I always prefer to buy stuff straight from the artist!

[7875]

i remember emma once saying that doing that was a tremendous pain in the ass. although, it would help being able to reach our dealer and cop our fix directly.

[CHIP TRONIC]

In my opinion it was too experimental or simply boring.

good tracks for falling asleep.
Not the tracks i like.

a bliip diddeldip here a moowwwww there. dip diddell di dipp.

Gähn!

i listend to it and yawned.
and i said ... OK perhaps the next Mosquito will be better.


But i won´t spend money for tunes i don´t like.
it was...too jazzy

[Yer_Maw]

even scellotaping a pound to a bit of card, sending it to brighton, and getting an url to dload the mp3? a large majority of people here dont seem to care about vinyl anyway cmon, reinvent the record industry!

[jukka]

would be too much of work for the no-future crew___we talked about several times now.
we should stop begging for !

[Yer_Maw]

or how about a paypal payment which automatically gives a url for the mp3 upon payment. it requires no human intervention.

[CHIP TRONIC]

hey, why only buying from the no future crew??? there are other aristst (no future members) who also produce great tracks.

BTW artists generally earn enough money by live performances.

records are just nice gimmicks.

[Yer_Maw]

good point chip. because without vinyl media, the only thing to judge electronic music by is quality and that way anybodys music could be worth payment, not just established artists. hmm, will have to have a think about this one.

[jukka]

hmmm..i wouldn't mind if anybody sets up a (online-) record shop....but don't forget to include selling cd's as well ;)

[CHIP TRONIC]

yeah. i think we shouldn´t pay for some names but for good music.

[jukka]

the name doesn't matter the music makes the melodie (in brain) !!!
i buy music just because i like and not because a name !

[Lady E]

i run the business on my own and couldnt handle doing direct sales, too difficult. we used to have an online shop but it was a nightmare to run

saying records are just a gimmick is a load of crap though. we're not money grabbing shitheads chiptronic. by doing our label we have helped a lot of excellent artists to get out there and hope to continue to do so. mosquito is not a money making enterprise by any means.

[invisibleplanet]

i don't see records as gimmicks either...they're a carrier of tonal information

[c s]

my shop says it's been re-ordered for ages but doesn't arrive... call efa? ;)

[phdbob]

@CHIP TRONIC

how can a record be to "experimental" or "jazzy" AND boring at the same time?
once again i can hardly resist the urge to be insulting.

def!

[phdbob]

ah!!! and if u think recs are just gimmicks than ask robbie williams...i bet he earns some cents with them. you seem to have no clue. btw i dissent with your oldskool "no names but only music" ideas as well...

[Mui]

I liked the preview mp3, but no rekkid playa, no credit card at the mo (making internet purchases impossible) and the thing ain't available over ere......I think I'm moving to england whan I graduate....

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by audiofelch
I want it right now! I love everthnbg jamies released so far and want everyhting i can get my hands on, does anyone know of any other lesser known releases... i only have the supercollider stuff, muddlin gear and a cool trak on a noodles foundation comp... hes one of those artists that i want to trak in his dvelopments.. and its exactly the fact that hes between all these genres and hibrow/lowbrow definitions that i dig.... So..anyone that has a list of releases... speak!

I have a wicked lidell release on sativae. not sure which one it is.
it might be saftey in numbers. I am too lazy to go and check right now. but it is some very interesting techno to say the least.

[mattp]

Emma .. Have you ever considered partnering with some like Boomkat who are already geared up for sales. ??

Something like setting up a dedicated no-future collective website on their website.

[arar]

..it is quite possible for a record to be jazzy experimental and boring at the same time, because it can sound like an experiment thats been done before...but thats the whole point of experiments sometimes they dont work..it shouldnt put people off trying things out, but you should be straight up when you hear something you dont like...theresn plenty of artists Im into who have produced stuff Im really into and bought and then produced other tunes which I didnt like buy..its unhealthy to be reverential (or dismissive) just for the sake of it..I didnt fancy the track I heard from the ep, I never saw it in the shops nand couldnt listen to the rest simple as that..

[Lady E]

its fine not to like it!
each to his own and all that.

the distribution thing is tricky

mattp - boomkat are an online shop right? from manchester? i think ive been there before and was impressed...

its not a bad idea. ill have a think about that. it would be nice to get in some shops in the UK occasionally though...

CS - can you tell me the shops name please? then i can tell EFA

[jamyna]

Everyone should buy this record it's amazing!
..so it's not 'avin it in the usual way but thats a good thing in my book. put yer handbags down. oh if anyone can tell me where to get mosquito reliably in London that would be nice. I have grabbed em in Selectadisc before.

[bitch one]

Originally posted by arar
..it is quite possible for a record to be jazzy experimental and boring at the same time

imho some of the dullest music ever made is experimental free jazz - honk parp tweet honk honk tweet parp WANK

ps emma - wot about www.bi-wire.co.uk site for sales? like, herbert has his own section on their site for sellin his records

the boomkat site is a little better actually, but i kinda thought bi-wire is closer geographically and also personally, being connected to weatherall etc.

[old skool]

For us cd'ers, any chance of another Mossie comp like the Bite The Hand one that came out a while back ?

I think loads of the tracks on that cd are ace ....

Cheers for that emef by the way ...

[Marolo]

Yeah, i think connections with biwire is very good idea. here is the boomkate address:
www.boomkat.com

[audiofelch]

Originally posted by jamyna
Everyone should buy this record it's amazing!
..so it's not 'avin it in the usual way but thats a good thing in my book. put yer handbags down. oh if anyone can tell me where to get mosquito reliably in London that would be nice. I have grabbed em in Selectadisc before.

in theory sounds of the universe.. just down the road from selectadisc would stock them.. they hav tons of obscure 12's from basic channel, ghostly international, eastern developments, loads of small london based electronica lables etc.. rough trade should also stock them shouldnt they?

[invisibleplanet]

most of our local techno DJ's feed their vinyl habit at http://www.innercity.co.uk in leeds.
just thought u might like to know

[decadnids]

distribution is a nightmare. you could have the best musick in the world, but not able to get it into all of the territories. selling on-line is good way, for me at hermetech it works well. but it is time consuming. doing your own distribution is a pain, but I kinda enjoy it!

[Lady E]

yep, bi-wire is a goody. andrew mentioned it to me a while back but i never did anything about it. physically getting the stock to these places is a bit of a mare without a car. it took two taxis, one hired van and a tube journey to get a lot of stock to warpmart. whinge moan complain.

the problem is, that online it should be fairly easy to get hold of most things. its them pesky shops. but i have news we are back being distributed by SRD in the UK very shortly so things should certainly be a changing.

[decadnids]

for us it is more of a case of
slowly, slowly, catch the monkey ;)
we aint rushing no where !!!!
all in time, all in time....

[grunder]

it is a sad world when good records that were done by some one who has a good history dont shift much ......
how bad has it been (em) like less than 1000 bad?

[Lady E]

yes.

1000 or more is good! that's normal. the biggest record we ever did was Si Begg 'welcome...' msq 016 - about 4000 or so.

generally its 900-1200 per release. i dont know how that compares to other comparable labels sales, if anyone feels like posting theirs!

but this has been with probably about 10 Uk sales per release so things can improve...slightly!

[bitch one]

how many did darn cold way o lovin do?

super_collider coulda been the new basement jaxx if they'd battered out a few more like that eh?

[phil]

its like this, some one like Tom jenkinson will use the champion sound sample, which has been used to death in the mash up jungle ... but he will use it as a way of hooking in people who would not normally be exposed to such extreme mentalist and it says to them...look....this is where it can go??? is that clear? thats from his mouth not my interpretation.

so cristian you know your equipment and produce good music.. why not do some bangers and when you draw people in with the bangers you can hit em with the weird shit and show em how it can go....

that way u can make some serious doller and still do your own car boot sale ice cream van polygon doodles.

[Lady E]

god i cant remember - 1700 something like that?

the record label definitely wanted them to be like basement jaxx, who at the time were just getitng big. cris and jamie wanted to do what they wanted and nothing else, and that will always be the case.

[audiofelch]

i am so glad s collider arent another basement jaxx. darn's my least fave song ... cept for the unbelievable bass... much prefered the live version lidell did if anyone has caught that.. that went somewhere else indeed..

please stay wierd everyone.
i know banging out something straight might provide payoff but its a short term solution.. people need to be saturated with challenging stuff instead of having their bland status quo pandered to. and its rare that people continue to follow artists who do the more commercial thing and then come out of the closet as the experimentalists they always were... tho i do agree that having some element to act as a lure is kinda useful and can make some awesome trax.. but not fully fledged sellingout...

[phil]

fuck all that talk about commerical this commerical that...thats not the point..... the point is this.... tracks which are banging everyone likes, it can be as weird as it wants but if it is banging people will lap it up.... i mean what is the point of music??? why do u listen to it?

i listen to music if i like it, simple and plain, i dont have some complex ruleset i apply to listening to shit. i put it on , if i like it i like it.

if its gonna be twee and shit i wont like it, if its going to be emotive and over it like Apex twins "Alberto Balsalm " [the title i think refers to the inventor of acid, and the track is like balm if you have ever done acid....any way..

if its gonna be banging like Noreaga - superthug with wicked neptunes production, then im gonna like it.. if iots al green singing over nice smooth beats...im gonna like it...if its aled jones singing were walking in the air...im going to like it....

if its Squarepusher, then its gonna be the fucking bollax..

the point is, if your gonna do an album of soundscape pencil taps going through an orville eventide then fine do it, but have at least three tracks i will want to play out loud, or listen to when im gonna get my swerve on.

[KaOz]

does squarepusher fucks with autechre? :)

[phil]

the only thing of autechre i can get in to is Confield.

[KaOz]

the most stuff is technically brilliant. check the new LP. nice stuff. more into gescom style, nice to hear with hiphopish elements

[phdbob]

@ phil

wrong place, wrong time, no brain i´m afraid....

[phil]

@phdbob, what are you talking about u prick?

[phdbob]

boys, cars and fish´n´chips my humble son. sometimes about diverse things like sports, fashion or food. why?

[phil]

What are talking about? Did you not get your h.r. giger arse dick steering wheel for christmas or what?

[CHIP TRONIC]

Originally posted by emma

saying records are just a gimmick is a load of crap though. we're not money grabbing shitheads chiptronic. by doing our label we have helped a lot of excellent artists to get out there and hope to continue to do so. mosquito is not a money making enterprise by any means.

that´s fine. that´s cool. but why do you complain about less sold copies of MSQ 20 then??? Of course i don´t call you moneygrabbing shitheads. I only wanted to point out, that techno artists don´t earn too much money with records.
We are talking about electronic music not about Robb
ie Williams

BTW:

As for me a label stands for a certain sound. If i buy a bottle of whiskey i don´t want a coke.
In my opinion this also applies to record labels.
if i expect techno i don´t want IDM.
it is as it is.

[bitch one]

surprisin - thought darn woulda done more than that. it's a small scene really i suppose - not many people buy vinyl.

ps i actually really like basement jaxx, but i couldn't imagine super_collider playing live with semi naked gogo dancers in peacock feathers.

and i hear what you're sayin phil - bangers are good. but one mans banger is another mans cheese. aled jones just doesn't do it for me.

[phil]

phdbob, i love your mr miyagi personality transplant. Your use of the term "one" highlights your rusty sheriff badge qualities.

[phdbob]

inevitably people are either incredibly dull or painfully rude. and if they're neither I find they're often really annoying and pester me to meet up to have SEX with them. the phrase, "NO, GO AWAY" doesn't seem to have much currency these days.

well...well...

[phil]

Tim dog and krs one - i get wrecked = banger
wu-tang - protect ya neck = banger
Squarepusher - do you know SP = banger
Squarepusher - go spastic = banger
Si begg - some track off directors cut k- banger
philie-t - chelmsford/compton alliance = banger
Ceephax acid - new album = banger
ll cool j - mamma said knock you out = banger
nore -superthug = banger
nore - nothing - banger
a few bangerrs..

[old skool]

Phil, you make me laugh.

:-)

And I agree with you on the "let a few tracks be bangers" thing.

You need a few bangers to contrast against the more chilled out, noodly stuff.

Tube Jerk for me can do no wrong. Bang away sir !

He da man (oh and you emef)

[phil]

Use the ignore button Mr miyagi. then stop being gay.

[phdbob]

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything—I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my cock.

[phil]

you have to wonder what go's through the mind of someone to use "phd" in their username.

[MUX]

that's amusing to hear from a dreadlock'd dolphin

( coming from a 80's mcdonalds charecter)

[phil]

yeah pretty pretentious a dred-dolphin.

[Lady E]

oh the great banger debate will rage and rage.its a question of having the populist touch which weird though it may be people like tom j and aphex do on occasion, si definitely does. you cant learn it, and there's no point trying to do it if it isnt what you value. all i know is cristian doesnt sit down and try to make music to make money with. him and jamie did do that once, and darn came out...i think they both felt corrupted by that feeling and people can think that's shit orstupid or whatever they want but the fact is that they didnt feel comfortable being in that place then.

its not like they havent done things for the money - bush remix being a case in point - or wont in the future. but as their manager i know when there is no point getitng them to do something because if their hearts not in it it wont work out.

the point of this thread is just that MSQ 020 has sold a lot less than other records on the label, its the first release for about a year (typically!) and cristian is just trying to find out any reasons. its not a question of us not being able to buy a new merc, its a question of keeping going. and i guess we take the musical and artistic integrity bit more seriously than the money thing, although it would be fabulous to have both. its like jamie said in that OL interview about how he's rather not get an advance from Warp for his next album if he could be allowed to do whatever he wanted musically...that's how we've always felt about stuff...but we are always open to change!!

[invisibleplanet]

I think the reasons are not with the quality of the release, nor in the catagory of music, but largely due to it being absent from the shelves in the outlets which the grass-roots dj's frequent.

Now u have been armed with some information about this, and I'm sure you will have more information of this ilk provided, I believe it is only a matter of time before u see sales pick up.

I will order a copy from my local dj-source music haven.
http://www.innercity.co.uk

[phil]

its easier to make weird music than bangers, that is true.

Did Warp give him an advance if he did some bangers???
thats pressure for sheezie. I guess its easier to do a personal album,cause you can do loads of dog sampling and pitch bend rabbits carrot eating. and sing on it.

[Lady E]

yes phil whatever you think...
its so not a question of what is 'easy'.

and try to understand what people write before replying, sometimes. it does help.

[karitek]

Originally posted by bitch one


imho some of the dullest music ever made is experimental free jazz - honk parp tweet honk honk tweet parp WANK

ps emma - wot about www.bi-wire.co.uk site for sales? like, herbert has his own section on their site for sellin his records

the boomkat site is a little better actually, but i kinda thought bi-wire is closer geographically and also personally, being connected to weatherall etc.
yeah but biwire is really really expensive - i once payed £9 for a domestic record!!

[invisibleplanet]

hehe

i ordered it - i'll have it framed after i've let my local techno tribe play it in the chilled chat room of our local techno club on the 19th April.

I also ordered my cd copy of Dungeon Master :) Can't wait for that to arrive!!!

[MUX]

@biwire

and they just dont send records for ages....
they take ages in everything they do...

( not to diss , i love andy and crew with all my heart )

[invisibleplanet]

O - my stockist says the DM cd will be in early next week, and the GLister EP late next week :) they're very very efficient, and have an excellent rep.

[phil]

Ok, i should have read more closely Emma,

I have never understood "artistic integrity" what is that? is that a moral/ethical code which says i will do this and not that.

I never understood all of that.. when i make music, i do it cause i like to have a laugh and enjoy my self. And thats about it. But im not speaking as a signed artist so that must be different. If i was signed to warp i would give them a couple of big bangers as singles obviously, other wise no cunts gonna buy your album, simple as that. then once your established and done loads of sorted albums, throw some spoons down the stairs and sample em and loop it for the whole album..who cares, people will know at least you can do a banger. Thats how people like Tom Jenkinson can get away with doing an album of concrete music if he wants, cause he always brings the bangers.

[splitrmx]

I haven't seen the G.Lister 12" on sale in any shops in Dublin at all. The main shops I'd buy records in are Big Brother Records, Freebird Records, Spindizzy Records and Selecta. Most of these had Raw Digits in stock but I've never seen any of the Mosquito releases over here.

Lucky for me Warp have a load of them in Warpmart, so G.Lister is on its merry way to me as we speak.

-splitrmx

[Lady E]

ok phil

artistic integrity isnt a moral code, its what the artist feels happy and fulfilled with doing. being true to yourself. and i think tom and si and people like that feel happy with making a lot of different things. i dont think they do (or should) feel that they have compromised anything. other artists might, if they dont have a natural popular touch, feel that the pursuit of that is not what they want to concentrate on when other inspiration is there.

[mattp]

Emma,

Yeah boomkat is the online presence of PelicanNeck a record shop that used to be based in Affleck Palace in Manchester. They've recently moved in to a bigger store also in Piccadilly.

I think that Manchester based distribution company Baked Goods helps Boomkat out with the logistical side of the business. So maybe they'll be able to help you out with getting the records from the south to the north ... I guess that Baked Goods must deliver to record shops in the South (especially Brighton) ….. might be worth an ask

[invisibleplanet]

Yeah - my stockist wasn't aware of the GLister EP, or that is was the work of Lidell, but he is now. It's definitely being played at the next Techno night, and I can't wait to hear all of it!!!

[audiofelch]

you said it phil... you make trax caus you enjoy it...artistic integrity in my opinion is just that.. bangers or no bangers..following through your own ideas or whatever without commercial concern or caring what other people think is the difficuilt bit.. not whether its noodly or made out of mating sparrow samples or whatever.. it could be a pop record for all i care as long as the person making it meant to make the record exactly like that. ...

[phdbob]

@phil

wow...now here´s an expert! you should really write a book man...it would be funny!


if it´s so easy to make an personal rec what do you think could be the reason for 99% copy/blueprint/rip off recs out there...i fear they are bangers?

why don´t you just enjoy yourself?

[phil]

One could write a book, however one must not loose sight of death. I do not wish to die, with out making a banger.


Originally posted by phil



when i make music, i do it cause i like to have a laugh and enjoy my self. And thats about it.


Phd, i fear you do not know the meaning of a banger. Go listen to the new Si begg and you will understand banger you little weasal.

[phdbob]

quite beyond!

[phil]

phd, read a little too much Robert Anton wilson, thinking you on some Enlightenened shit. done a bit of DMT have ya...have ya.....? been to sirius?? have ya..... live in milton keynes, prolly. You jar me, with your aloof one liners. go and hang out at www.watmm.com or planet-poo

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

You have a kid, IP?

[phil]

Why are you pissed off at what i like? Seems a waste of energy really. And i only make music to amuse my self, i don't expect many people will like it. Never once did i say, i make bangers. Also my target audience isn't 36 year old northern women with kids. nah mean.

[bitconductor]

nahmean?

too much listening to 'bangers' i think

[phdbob]

why dont you surf some porn-chats touch your fanny and amuse yourself...it could be so easy, effective and fun...nah mean...

[phil]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


In my opinion, you aren't a barometric gnome on musical creation, and i'm feeling very pissed off with your idea of what constitutes 'good music' at the moment. no Im not a gnome well done. Look sorry if i pissed off your cyber sex yahoo buddy who you go mountain climbing with. But i can say what the fuck i like.

[phil]

double bluff you stupid fucking nigger.

[bitconductor]

BLAOW!

[invisibleplanet]

I'm not northern. I'm from equatorial singapore.
Don't be fooled by my current residence in wakefield, central england. People aren't necessarily from where they reside.

Your attitude of stereotypical assumptions sucks even more than '@#*£%!!!'

[phdbob]

homophobic, negrophobic, smartophobic
you young boys are so different!

see you at the next knights meeting...

[phil]

your analysis of my so called stereotypical assumption highlight your short comings.

[audiofelch]

children behave. im trying to concentrate on my book.

hmmm.. the proliferation of dodgy bangers... bit like pigeons. nto very intewlligent and everywhere.. and taste lkike shit no matter what u do with them...

and phil, with attitudes such as yours, I fear that you were born, bred and currently reside in a terrifyingly small town, a town reared on bangers alone

[phdbob]

"...The entire reason that HIV in Britain has shot to record levels is because the Government has embarked on a programme of mass immigration from countries devastated by HIV, without insisting on HIV tests for immigrants. Â*Last year, Britain imported more than 2,000 HIV-positive immigrants, double the number two years ago, and four times the number five years ago. Â*Almost all were from Africa."

[Lady E]

STOP

no need - you've all just wound yourselves right up there

phdbob - phil is not racist despite current posts , and i doubt he is actually homophobic either.
ip - saying you are northern doesnt discount your ethnicity, i have to say...
phil - probably best not to casually use the word 'nigger' it is offensive to many ppl.

[phil]

audiofelch, u dont have a clue u knob end, here are some bangers

beware i dont think the tim dog track is very intelligent. u sawn off cock nose.

Originally posted by phil
Tim dog and krs one - i get wrecked = banger
wu-tang - protect ya neck = banger
Squarepusher - do you know SP = banger
Squarepusher - go spastic = banger
Si begg - some track off directors cut k- banger
philie-t - chelmsford/compton alliance = banger
Ceephax acid - new album = banger
ll cool j - mamma said knock you out = banger
nore -superthug = banger
nore - nothing - banger
a few bangerrs..

[CHIP TRONIC]

puuuh! STOP IT!!!!

We all have a individual taste of music. So if phil likes something else than IP it´s OK.

If everybody liked my music the world would be completely chaotic and fucked up.

So stop insulting each other. That´s nonsense!

[invisibleplanet]

sorry

[phil]

word to chip!!! yeah! sorry up everyone now. Im sorry. look i did it.

[phdbob]

yes you are right chip...got carried away...was good fun i admit...made me feel 12 again.
i´ll stop and behave. sorry hope you didnt take it tooo personal phil!

[Lady E]

thank fuck for that

[CHIP TRONIC]

@emma : and sorry if my post seemed to be insulting , too.
it wasn´t meant to be.

jamie indeed makes good music. i am just a techno freak but i definitely liked some of his tracks. Above all "freely Freekin´" :-)

well, but i prefer his CD releases and of course the super collider stuff. the Mp3 by him as G Lister is good , too.

[phdbob]

whoops emma my reply wasnt meant cynic...i´ll stop being rude...i MEAN it!!!

[Lady E]

no problem CHIP. - although the G. Lister thing is what we are talking about here - msq 020...

nice bit of oil being poured on troubled waters there!!

[audiofelch]

go spastic is indeed a mighty banger... im only winding u up phil.

vsnares is a mighty fine purveyor of them too.

[CHIP TRONIC]

yeah it was good. but as Kungfoo mentioned :

NOT A MSQ08.

by the way: this track reminded me of a track by cristian on his rescate 137 album : ME AND MY SHADOW.

[CHIP TRONIC]

but "ME AND MY SHADOW " was available on CD.
And i don´t spend so much money on records.

it would be really cool if you released some label compilations again.

Where can i get this older Mosquito label CD?

[MUX]

i personally think that it shouldnt have been done under a production name..
but it is clever non-the less.. and a brave move for mosquito

[phdbob]

just read an article about tigerbeat 6 where kid606 describes it as a very european idea to have one and only one style on a label so people now what they get...i really do appreciate to bust obvious genre borders and put out stuff that has only some abstract common denominator...i think it´s a very cool rec...and all that dsp/idm kids should love it! it´s funk!

[phil]

whats a dsp kid?

[audiofelch]

that point kid606 said.. that european purist thing makes me think of stephen 'pole' betke's scape lable.. when most of the early releases sounded like he had made them... its a cool idea to be such a purist but i dig the everythingbutkitchensink approach myself... like warp with a vague thread running thorugh it the stuff, though stylistically youd never see it

[M H]

all this talk of this record has made me curious, I think I need to buy it......

[JE:5]

All this talk of bangers, Oi OI Savaloy!

[audiofelch]

me too,, i vaguely remember that being the point of the thread

[MUX]

that what threads are about! :) off-topic-ism!

[karitek]

Originally posted by JE:5
All this talk of bangers, Oi OI Savaloy!

all this talk of bangers makes we want some mash...

[phil]

karitek, whos your dad?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Hopefully not Paul Gadd, I would know how you feel though as my dad is Peter Sutcliffe. In his wedding photo he had a hammer hanging out his packet pocket. Not that he can look at them that well after that whole biro thing.

[invisibleplanet]

music eh? it's such an emotive issue!

[karitek]

Originally posted by phil
karitek, whos your dad?

i dont tell....

[zombie ritual]

I never even heard Mosquito 20 was out yet! So I naturally didn't look out for it. Now I will.

[audiofelch]

i just been surfing the net to try and locate this release along with the earlier lidell mosquito releases... cant find any where.. does anyone know a uk place? also want his sativae release... anyone?

[Lady E]

should be able to buy MSQ 020 at warpmart.com

mosquito 08 freely freekin ep is no longer available - we may repress but its not imminent

as for jamie's involvement with subhead which i believe was 1-9 and his sativae 'safety in number' - i dont know if any have been reissued, someone else can probably say.

[audiofelch]

thankyou.. i shall hound warpmart asap.

[marcel]

sativa13 was repressed, but its been a while now once again. dont think you willl even find the repress nowadays anythere

[karitek]

Originally posted by emma
should be able to buy MSQ 020 at warpmart.com

mosquito 08 freely freekin ep is no longer available - we may repress but its not imminent

as for jamie's involvement with subhead which i believe was 1-9 and his sativae 'safety in number' - i dont know if any have been reissued, someone else can probably say.

freely freekin is available as a repress on the neue heimat 13 double pack.

subhead 1-9 have all been repressed and you can order it from the boys at www.discto.co.uk

that site has been quite finiky recently, so i think that trakheadz has them as well - www.accessallareas.org

[Lady E]

thanks kari - i think im going to have to invest in those subheads. didnt pick them up at the time, no cash and cristian had everything anyway...

[yastin byrd]

aaaaaaahhhhh, a lost threat!

i have a question:
what is the official speed to run this record?
...if there is one...

it seems to run on 45rpm, coz there it has a better sound...
but on 33rpm it´s much better... lol really great work!

check it!

[Atarythm]

For those who are intersted, the Sativae 13 Repress is still available at Humpty records (http://www.humpty-stuttgart.de) ... I also saw it in a record shop here last week..

[yastin byrd]

@ Atarythm: thx, but that didn´t rellay help me... :)

[wheezer]

mosquito 08 freely freekin ep is no longer available - we may repress but its not imminent


man if you guys would've repressed that before the neue heimat double ep came out.... I still think a lot of people would be willing to buy that ep though.

[Eva]

i like this one ... i bought this one...

don't know whats wrong with it...

(e)

[actionjetzon]

i think many people just expected s.th. other...have not bought it yet too, but i will! but frankly its not really what i want to hear. i´ll give it a try and more time!

[alex cortex]

finally bought msq20 (had to come to germany though, it´s impossible to find in seville...). this record is fucking amazing. and who said it´s nothing to play at the club?! on my hifi at home the pressing seems to have quite low volume, though i recognize a lot of pressure. i guess some frequencies i only gonna hear playing it out loud... dear mosquito-records, please don´t stop surprising me!

[amble]

i agree. one of the best mosquitos ever! to be honest i didn't buy all of the latest ones anymore but this one gives me trust again. as phdbob said: pure funk!

i played it to a friend the other day and although he is not that much into jamies other stuff he said he would get this one. we speculated that if you would print 'Aphex Twin' on it you would reach 20000 easyly and a lot more people would suddenly like it - mind it doesn't sound like afx at all but you don't necessarly have to tell them..;)

oh yes and i played it in our radioshow last week (the track that came as mp3) and someone was calling telling us to go on playing such "geilen Schranz"!lol

[marcel]

Originally posted by amble
we speculated that if you would print 'Aphex Twin' on it you would reach 20000

even for afx a little bit too much,not?
or does he sold that much with _eps_?(besides windowlicker)

Originally posted by amble
oh yes and i played it in our radioshow last week (the track that came as mp3) and someone was calling telling us to go on playing such "geilen Schranz"!lol [/B]
not really?!?

[phil]

afx is the man. his early stuff he did when he was on his own in cornwall was beautiful.

[gunjack]

yeah but wtf happened to him?!

[MUX]

it all went to his head....

[marcel]

i liked (and still do) drukqs

[phil]

hanging around too many people man. Thats what happens. Richard should fuck off on his own for a few years, go and sit in a cave in cornwall and get back to basics.

[gunjack]

Originally posted by marcel
i liked (and still do) drukqs




its a good record.

[marcel]

Originally posted by gunjack

its a good record.
you dont hear this that much these days.
dissing afx is cool nowadays

[phil]

Afx still pisses on everyone i else. hear the acid edit for window licker. The guy has a fuck load of style and soul in his work.
Have u heard his new EP. hes done a load of wicked Ragga shit.

[V Knid esq]

Ragga shit? Is that his Bug remixes?

[phil]

hes releasing on his joint label with tom Men records!! hahahah
using bug the beanie man on some steal some blackerrys from the hedge shit.

[MUX]

window licker was actually quite a good track too...
a very very tight production from he's side.. if not his best...

[amble]

yes aphex is always worth a check. i didn't find 'drukqs' that overwhelming, it's still a good record though.

my favourites are the 'hangable auto bulb's. and that slow upbuilding acidtrack on 'digeridoo ep'(flap head) is a monster! one of the best technotracks ever imo.

[phil]

confused about life??

Listen to "Alberto Bsalm" from i care because you do.

everything will make sense.

[old skool]

I'm unable to comment as I don't buy vinyl.

I'm now sick of hearing myself say this and I'm deciding at the moment whether to buy a turntable (or two).

I'm thoroughly pissed off about missing out on decent stuff cos its only on vinyl.

[goinz]

Vinyl is the best medium fuck all digitals

[jukka]

i made it to listen to g. lister at least.......and i must say that i like it a lot.....its definately a good one .....not what a lot of poeple may expected....but you allways gotta expect the unexpected ;)

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by old skool
I'm unable to comment as I don't buy vinyl.

I'm now sick of hearing myself say this and I'm deciding at the moment whether to buy a turntable (or two).

I'm thoroughly pissed off about missing out on decent stuff cos its only on vinyl.

If you're not mad keen on mixing - just get down to the record shop and get a turntable...

Akai do some crappy thing for about £50 that's actually an add on for a midi system - perfectly servicable just makes you look like a student...

But if you can stretch to a ton...

Projekt Debut turntable is only about £100 and its a decent turntable - have to fiddle about changing the elastic band - as its not got gears in it -to keep the cost and complexity down...

[OMEN]

I bought it like every mosquito record, without any pre listning!
....
.... It´s a real Mosquito Release !!! Even not something for the mainstream techno-people,i think ! But it´s acool record for me and for many of us NF-Boarders !!!

But i missed jamie´s mickey mouse rapping at one of the tracks ! The mickymouse-rapping he use many live-set times, you know which i mean ! ...the words are from sugarhill gang i think !?

I hope that the next 20 mosquito would be so great as the first 20 !
I love every mosquito release and i´m very happy that Mosquito refreshs our techno community everytime if there is a new mosquito-release comin out !

Great work since 1995 ! thanks Emma, cristian, si and every Mosquito-artist !

[goinz]

thank you Omen!

[old skool]

Originally posted by grobelaar


If you're not mad keen on mixing - just get down to the record shop and get a turntable...

Akai do some crappy thing for about £50 that's actually an add on for a midi system - perfectly servicable just makes you look like a student...

But if you can stretch to a ton...

Projekt Debut turntable is only about £100 and its a decent turntable - have to fiddle about changing the elastic band - as its not got gears in it -to keep the cost and complexity down...

Cheers for the info there mate. I dunno if I'm mad keen on mixing cos I've only ever done it about twice. I'm actually thinking hard about saving some pennies and getting some Technics or something like that and doing it proper. I'm just scared of what'll happen when I start buying vinyl, cos I'm totally addicted to buying cd's !!!

Bloody expensive hobby though if I start shelling out on Technics and the like !!!

[emef]

Originally posted by wheezer


man if you guys would've repressed that before the neue heimat double ep came out.... I still think a lot of people would be willing to buy that ep though.

the neue heimat lp only has the freely freekin track i think.

for me the , c note track is the barnstorming classic on that ep.

[old skool]

Crackin avatar there emef....

Proper advert for staying off those cheeky lines isn't she !?

[emef]

well they say sometimes the after effects never wear off.
shes off the old marching powder but still gurning up a storm.
i`d be proud to shake her hand in any club in the land and ask her where shes from and whats she ad:)

[old skool]

Originally posted by emef
well they say sometimes the after effects never wear off.
shes off the old marching powder but still gurning up a storm.
i`d be proud to shake her hand in any club in the land and ask her where shes from and whats she ad:)

Yeah but as soon as she starts mentioning her bloody kids and husband, I'd poke her in the eye.

And then run off.

And feel really bad about what I'd just done.

[Ava]

i've got the rekkid and i like it - its nce and rumbling.

on the more general point about finding records, i've never seen a mosquito record in the shops (i shop in bristol and sheffield) i've spoken a number of times to my local techno record shop (can't remember the name), and they don't want to know about any (even slightly)experimental/wonky/bassline techno. maybe someone should set up an online distributer/shop for the uk in the same style as boomkat but for techno vinyl and cds

[invisibleplanet]

yes Ava, I have had great delays and trouble trying to buy Glist and Go from my local electronic music record store, and after waiting weeks without even so much as an email to inform of why it's taking so long, I have now ordered the GLister from http://www.warpmart.com

can't wait! I loved the promo mp3.

[Lady E]

well we are back with our previous Uk distributor now, SRD which is good. so it should be easier to get hold of mosquito stuff from now on.

[Tomoki]

nice to hear, spread the music worldwide...

[invisibleplanet]

well, i ordered on Sunday evening, and MOS20 arrived bright and early this morning! superb service from warpmart :)

G Lister rides again will be played on the debut night of EMIT..who will delight in deviating from the mainstream :()

[Acidrocka]

I have Bought it and I think it was one of the best realeses I had ever heard on mosquito 8-()