is techno dead?

[Weishaupt]

hm....the electronic "scene " is not the best................techno died in cologne since the old warehouse closed.

[decadnids]

techno died everywhere !!! ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

techno is alive,its just becoming something differnt

[Hiro]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
techno is alive,its just becoming something differnt

right on.

[aleks]

and is that change positve or negative?

[Weishaupt]

i hate techno

[pille'ocheoni]

depends on your perspective

[aleks]

well, imo it is not becoming something different...so it is none of both. i wanted to know what you or anybody else thinks...

[pille'ocheoni]

im not the biggest fan of striaght techno....that shit is the easiest stuff to write.............what a kick drum on a 4/4 count....a couple hi-hats, a bass line..that goes over and over...........waaawaaa.

now techno like cristian's/ruben/tsr tomas/gunjack/ischo for sure...........but thats not really "techno"

i guess i like intelegent tech"no"

oh and i love the detroit ambient techno shit, that choice

[pille'ocheoni]

i think its getting better, farther form the 4/4 floor bullshit.............more technical,more versatility,more elements,more transitions. techno will soon become a new genre of fucking amazing beats and ryhthms. soon it will revamp itself to something never seen before, and cristian is going to be a legend in the midst of the new" school " about to be reborn

[aleks]

there is no intelligent techno... and why is cristian´s or ruben´s etc stuff not techno? because it is harder to write?

[invisibleplanet]

in central england, techno is very much alive -

leeds, wakefield, sheffield and nottingham are all centres for this progressive genre.

[jukka]

techno is dead___long live techno

[Weishaupt]

jes

[decadnids]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
in central england, techno is very much alive - leeds, wakefield, sheffield and nottingham are all centres for this progressive genre.

there was something last frinday I wouldn't have minded going to in sheffield, shame it is too far away... ;(

[Irrungenwirrungen]

'Techno' is what you want it to be, as long as it is forward-thinking music. Hence the reason why what we understand by the term 'stadium techno' to be long dead. 'Techno', I suppose, first appeared as music ahead of its time, even though that sounds very contradictory. I think there has been so much stuff churned out over the years, that the quest for freshness & originality has been knocked out of the beast that we love. Dig deep enough though, and there are producers who are still pushing the envelope.
Part of the problem is the constant compartmentalisation of music & that everything is labelled as 'techno' or 'electro', rather than 'good music' & 'shit music'. Unfortunately in the advent of the media saturating all walks of life, we are hardly going to see the breakdown of this pigeon-holing.

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by decadnids


there was something last frinday I wouldn't have minded going to in sheffield, shame it is too far away... ;(

Was that the Dust - Sheffield vs Detroit night???

Dust boys have been trying really hard to get some techno into sheffield, and rescue them from the evil clutches of corporate clubbing and hard trance...

Check it: http://www.dustclub.com

[decadnids]

grobelaar,
thats right mate!!! did you go???

from what I hear it was pretty damn fine

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by Irrungenwirrungen
'Techno' is what you want it to be, as long as it is forward-thinking music. Hence the reason why what we understand by the term 'stadium techno' to be long dead. 'Techno', I suppose, first appeared as music ahead of its time, even though that sounds very contradictory. I think there has been so much stuff churned out over the years, that the quest for freshness & originality has been knocked out of the beast that we love. Dig deep enough though, and there are producers who are still pushing the envelope.
Part of the problem is the constant compartmentalisation of music & that everything is labelled as 'techno' or 'electro', rather than 'good music' & 'shit music'. Unfortunately in the advent of the media saturating all walks of life, we are hardly going to see the breakdown of this pigeon-holing.

Longtime no hear Mr Irrungenwengernenenenen :-)

heh, heh, I love the term Stadium techno, you're the only person I've heard it use it - it conjures images in my mind of some cheesy cross between techno and glam-rock.

I can just see someone like Umek or even good ole DC all dressed up in Van Halen style chequered spandex tights - doing a scissor-kick over his eighteen decks (playing 17 copies of Loudboxer and one tune), five 909s and a couple of 303s...

Another ten years and it'll be happenin' the big superstar DJ comeback tours - at Wembley Arena - I can't wait... loads of grown up ravers, kids at the childminders, running around trying to score a pill for old-time's sake...

[marcel]

the music is getting better, but noone is listening. thats the real prob

[pille'ocheoni]

that can be a good thing..................nobody listening makes things hidden and dense..............gaining power i guess.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by marcel
the music is getting better, but noone is listening. thats the real prob

too true.
shame crying shame.

[Marolo]

I don't know if techno is dead or not, but what I'd really like to know is who came first, the chicken or the egg?
the egg i say

[Weishaupt]

i say nothing

[Irrungenwirrungen]

Is it because the vast majority of people who are listening to so-called 'techno' are listening to Schranz? That seems to be the case in the UK. Where all the commercial clubs and primetime dance music radio shows seem to have been taken over by looped techno. It is said that it is a good thing for music to reach a wider audience & I agree, in so far as the listener is influenced in such a way that it will go away & make something more positive out of the experience.
By the way Grobelaar, I feel the way that I use the term 'Stadium techno' has to stop. The way I've been guilty of this pigeon-holing is dreadful. From now on, it'll be referred to as a simple 'ST'

[zombie ritual]

I think marcel has hit the nail. So many good records out there, but nobody plays it...

[piscaries]

techno (in my opinion) is one of those genre's that's for the people and by the people. the people that listen to techno make techno, and the people that make techno listen to techno. not many other people are into the music. and usually those who are into techno and don't actually make tracks or spin are usually friends of people who do. it's a "takes-one-to-know-one" kind of thing. but that's strictly on observation. it's not as easy a sound to get people to like as something like hip hop. if it takes effort, chances are people will pass by it. herd mentality.

[KaOz]

techno is schlager. :)

[grobelaar]

I wouldn't stop using the term Stadium techno, sorry I was making a crass attempt at humour and missing the debate...

Schranz, Stadium techno, warehouse techno, acid tekno/hard trance confuses the issue because people's make assumptions that its all techno and as a techno fan you must be into all - after all its just music to go out at the weekend and fuckin' avit, innit... I've heard people say, who cares what it is, as long as its avvinit...

Well that as maybe and I certainly don't begrudge anyone having that attitude, after all it's their weekend and they're free to do what they want.

However, I think people who are truly into techno have a bit more respect for the music though - its a bit more important than merely a soundtrack to have a party to...

[gunjack]

techno doesn't die, it multiplies.

[marcel]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
that can be a good thing..................nobody listening makes things hidden and dense..............gaining power i guess.

well, pille first that means no more good fulltime musicians, because they cant live from their music, thats not what i want, do you? i believe you know how long it takes to make good music

second, this view is very snobish
good music has to be spread

[pille'ocheoni]

yeah your right................music should be spread and i do want to be able to live a humble life off of my music........so iguess your right, im just scared.

[phdbob]

things do not get better when many people attend to them...the thought of plenty is capitalistic conditioning...

[marcel]

@pille youre scared because im right?
chemnitz people can be sometimes right, nothing to be scared of..

@phdbob you still live at your parents home?

[phdbob]

hehe...i wish i had parents. but i admit i´m a freetime musician so i can afford snibbishnessity...if you have to survive on your tunes it´s more madonna stylee...?

[Lady E]

its certainly not easy.

[Mirsha]

Schranz is to techno as pop is to rock.


Techno is not dying, the waters are being made dirty by filthy trance neds.

[Marolo]

Originally posted by Weishaupt
i say nothing

precisely the answer I wanted ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

marcel, im not afraid of your rightness, im afriad of the mass's............coruption,de gredation,left over dumpster shit.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by Marolo


precisely the answer I wanted ;)

aha...u like i when people say what u want...soso......:-)

[tsr_tomas]

i like electronic music.

still Looptechno is more and more becomming know and Crap techno. not real techno anymore.. it´s almost as crapy as psytrance.
we´ll all laugh at the uninteligense 5years from now. hehhe.

[marcel]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
marcel, im not afraid of your rightness, im afriad of the mass's............coruption,de gredation,left over dumpster shit.

pille,i thought that. that was a joke by me

@bob whats the madonna stylee about? fucking everyone?

[phdbob]

@ marcel good one! didnt think about that in particular but yes why not?

[gunjack]

Originally posted by marcel
whats the madonna stylee about? fucking everyone?


maybe masturbating in a pointed bra?

[piscaries]

hell i'll wear a pointed bra just for a fucking free meal!

[thetonewrecker]

blip blip..transmission denied..room is full..

*spots open crack in wall leading to another great hall.*

*goes to find crowbar to smash hole open *

[JE:5]

Techno hasn't died, it hasn't even been born yet........

[tsr_tomas]

ah well... to be very honest.. i like good electronic music.
my hear´s either like´s it or not.

peace !

[DsD]

techno is alive. only the partyscene is dead.

[Irrungenwirrungen]

Originally posted by grobelaar
I wouldn't stop using the term Stadium techno, sorry I was making a crass attempt at humour and missing the debate...



I was joking as well. I will give it its proper title again
STADIUM TECHNO.
I wonder who originally coined the phrase?

[aleks]

the people who go to parties have changed a bit...

and of course we are too spoilt and perhaps a bit bored...been to some many parties that all that excitment has probably gone and people tend to say it used to better blah blah. i am like that, but a couple of weeks ago i met someone who has been to a techno party for the very first time and he was freaked out... maybe just us getting older and all that. well, who knows ?!

[marcel]

Originally posted by piscaries
hell i'll wear a pointed bra just for a fucking free meal!
hahaha. i have a free meal for you! come over

[piscaries]

do you really want to see a man in a pointy bra??

[marcel]

hahaha, no, i want to see YOU in pointy bra...

[invisibleplanet]

what's techno again?

[big raff]

techno is on a constant rise. aka an only upward rollercoaster. these people who moan about 4/4 kicks and sawtooth basslines? what the fuck do they know? write one you'd let your mom listen to, and if she likes it, then maybe you're getting somewhere. all these haters and purists. get a grip. music is fun .full stop. if it doesn't make you smile, go and weed your dandelions or buy a pair of driving slippers from halfords. techno is alive and well and living in the front bedroom.
"you're a long time dead"

[ischo]

i agree wif big raff here.....

it's just gotta make me smile..... and whiggle my arse

RIGHT?

[goinz]

Techno will never die! I think none-straight techno wander more and more from the floor (partys) to the home, because most listeners make there own music.
The tipical hoppel hoppel 4 to the floor techno like rush and C0 runs in every club and all crowds are screaming. what does it tell us?




simple stuff is better for the crowd in our time! not nice in my eyes

[invisibleplanet]

I can't sit still when I listen to techno - the very nature of it is active - I find it great to listen to when I'm on the move, whether walking and listening on my PS, or dancing at home or in a club, or working late into the night at my PC. For me, it sets a pace which helps to keep things moving forwards, however, it's NOT the type of music I choose to relax to.

I thrive on it's energy and rhythm...however, it's not the only genre which has these qualities, and it's not the only genre I like.

I have heard some 'techno' which is just badly-structured cacophony, or uses stolen sampled sounds in an uninspiring way, or so repetitively structured that I become bored after the 4th bar, and I try to avoid this formulated style when I'm at home, and don't find it inspiring to dance to when I'm out with the girls

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Saddam finds it inspiring to dance to when he's out with the girls

http://www.hazza316.co.uk/b3ta/mcsaddam.gif

[bitch one]

Originally posted by grobelaar


heh, heh, I love the term Stadium techno, you're the only person I've heard it use it - it conjures images in my mind of some cheesy cross between techno and glam-rock.


there actually is a cross between techno and glam rock happening based in cologne and i love it - check out kompakt, speicher and shitkatapult labels - michael mayer, superpitcher, wasserman/love inc/mike ink, t raumschmiere, jurgen paape, etc etc. these geezas are having a right laugh making daft techno with a definite glam shuffle

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

I have M. Mayer "Speaker" for sale if you want it...unwanted mail order item. I think I played it once.

[bitch one]

i've got it too, it's fuckin shit.

[bitch one]

charity shop job

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Fuck that! I'm determined to get something for it if it's the last thing I do!! I'm also looking to get rid of a Gabriel Ananda rec on Trapez as that is another I wasn't wanting to hang on to, but dunno if you would have it already.

[bitch one]

hmm, i might want it. but assuming you are a man of taste then perhaps i would agree that it was shit.

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

I'm not sure it if it was shit, or I just wasn't as deeply into my click/glitch/etc etc as strongly as I am say perhaps electro or house. That's why I can't tell, but I know I wouldn't play it as I would have done so by now. I could play it down the phone if you like. lol

[bitch one]

why don't you just stick an mp3 of it in the public library?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Hmm, because I can't. Not until Apr 12th - B-Day!!

[bitch one]

for anyone interested i just stuck a wee snatch of a slightly drunk shoddy dj mix in the bitch one folder of the public library and the second half contains some stoopid glam techno like i am talkin about

[bitch one]

oops

[platinumray]

techno is not dead to me, it's just moved on a little. it's also a fact that if you really like music you won't be into a single genre. so after the fashion thing finished those folks who were into it used it in other forms of creative endeavour, whether it be music or art. this dilution of techno is inevitable, who wants to listen to the same sound for ever. where i come from electronica is the thing every one is talking about, but to me that's just techno/electro/house/whatever.

[Martin23]

For me, Techno is about shades of grey not black and white imprints points of view held by the masses - I can listen to Juan Atkins and then slap some wonky stuff on and be just as happy. Some stuff is for CD listen and some is purely for the dance floor...

I'm working hard, putting on events to bring new music and new DJ's to people that normally wouldn't get a chance, I do it because I love the music - I certainly don't do it for the money, there isn't any....

Check out http://www.dustclub.com

Martin Dust...

[Lady E]

good to hear martin23!

[goinz]

that is really cool

[decadnids]

Yeah - True.
when people do do things for genuine love, you can generally tell from the energy that is there. be it what ever form of musick.

[Martin23]

"Berry Gordy built the Motown sound on the same principles as the conveyor belt system at Ford's. Today their plants don't work that way -- they use robots and computers to make the cars. I'm probably more interested in Ford's robots than in Berry Gordy's music."
[b]Juan Atkins[b]

"I'm just as interested in the robots but I'd like to give the workers who spend 50 weeks a year in the factory working something to look to for inspiration and vision, nothing loosens the girders of the soul like music".
[b]Martin Dust[b]


:)

[arar]

...and while we're at it, hip hop must die!

http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/archives/miscellaneous/hip_hop_must_die.php

[Andreas]

thats bullshit, techno is not dead and will never die...

i see it as following:

right now it has been the boom of techno and dance music in general, and i think now the calm is comin and only the ones who really believe in his shit and really does it with the heart, they will stay around, the rest will vanish, just like in any other kind of music... they will follow the trend!

currently a lot of people are afraid and talk about a crisis and shit like that. i say: bullshit! The underground is really motivated, everyone is experimenting risking and really motivated i see a lot of forums, where people are doing projects together.

i say mainstream culture are the ones who are really having da crisis, a cultural crisis and lack of ideas... u just have to watch the tv and then you see what is going on...

[CV]

techno can't die ... this music is genetic ... the accentuated pulse, and the physicality of the music, helps the human mind comprehend and feel in rhythm the unstoppable progress of time. Its the clicks of the big wheel. Commercialisation of music , can only ever be something apart from the message within music itself , because music , recorded or live, is a special form of non-linguistic communication unique to us , and part of our human essence. . .

as for schranz and schlagerbeat - well , thats good when you're pissed and bored... That cologne sound was all about breaking through the boredom threshold to feel a strange, temporary, mildly psychotic high... It didn't define anything... AFX, on the other hand, has made music that sounds likes its a portrait or model of an intelligent mind having a hyper-activating drug experience... What an amazing sensation to capture in sound! the loud beat club is something that will be with us for a very long time , as it has , in some way, always been with us.. For example Tresor is a very futuristic space , in my opinion.

Here's a photo I took after the 12th Birthday party.

http://www.no-future.com/siteimages/tresorglobus.jpg

[bitch one]

Originally posted by cristian
That cologne sound was all about breaking through the boredom threshold to feel a strange, temporary, mildly psychotic high... It didn't define anything...

funny, i thought it was about having a laugh and using triplets

[goinz]

Cool the SAT.1 balloon in the back

[wheezer]

I don't really see on what people that say things like "techno is dead" base their claims - what styles of music have really DIED in the last 100 years, i.e. nobody listens and nobody produces it anymore?

[phil]

but techno is dead bwoy!!!!!!!! its all about hiphop.

[bitch one]

skiffle will never die

Wait for Men Records to [save] the date. nanoo nanoo.

[decadnids]

Men Records - is that for girls?

[phil]

thats not aphex twin.

[decadnids]

i thought it was you phil ;}

[phil]

not this time.

[wheezer]

Originally posted by bitch one
skiffle will never die

http://www.google.fi/search?q=skiffle

[wheezer]

hell there's even a festival in hamburg! I expect detailed coverage c s!

http://www.skiffle-festival.de/

[marcel]

Originally posted by cristian


Here's a photo I took after the 12th Birthday party.



that friday was a hell of a night. nice pic, with the ballon from sat.1, a german tv-station...
also nice text you wrote
the clicks of the big wheel

[Lady E]

sadly phil is posing as aphex twin but that's by the by. old habits die hard eh phil?

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by emma
sadly phil is posing as aphex twin but that's by the by. old habits die hard eh phil?

You're kidding - but I just posted Phil my entire collection of Aphex Twin records for him to autograph...

[zombie ritual]

Someone asked whether there are types of music that have really died already. I think there are. Nobody listens seriously to Schlager music of the 20ties to 50ties, maybe except those who are old enough to have been young at the time and maybe some very obscure people who love to be nostalgic. So, of course it could happen to techno as well to sink into oblivion - theoretically. i don't think the rhythm itself is so essential that it can prevent techno from dying. But then - what else really fresh is coming instead? I see nothing.