'Free' library music

[dan gulberry]

Anyone know where I can get hold of a copy of a music library to use in some TV programme?

These idiots I've done a music job for have decided they 'hated' what I spent a whole month working on, and so won't pay me anything unless I make or find them some other music. Annoyed.

cheers
dg

[Yer_Maw]

definitely needs more cor anglais.

www.archive.org?

[KuffDam]

sounddogs.com have royalty buyout music, but check the license cos I can't remember what the deal is....

[bitconductor]

i'm in no way saying it's any good, but pump audio have an online library you can get music from. of course the broadcaster will have to pay the royalty fee.

[dan gulberry]

cheers all - good leads

[christtjj]

get a deposit and a withdraw/kill fee sorted next time and i bet they won't try and stiff you.

[bitconductor]

or hire you at all even.

[christtjj]

well what would you rather? find someone who actually wants to pay you and use your music, or someone who wants to cheat you out of your fair due AND disrespect you?

artists really need to stand up for themselves and getting a fair contract is the first step.

[KuffDam]

Sometimes it just doesn't work out, contract or not.

[proober glombat]

um, me.
http://www.acousticwallpaper.co.uk
we'll sort something out...

actually, i'll pm you now...

[christtjj]

Sometimes it just doesn't work out, contract or not.

well, that's why you have a contract so if they are fucks, you don't get screwed out of money for your labors. and if they try something you can take them to small claims court. not having a contract just sets you up to be taken advantage of. if they are unwilling to do a contract, it's probably all the best not to deal with them in the first place.

[KuffDam]

I'm not advocating not having a contract. I'm saying that sometimes it just doesn't work out. Music is a very subjective thing. No one is going to give you a contract stating they will pay you regardless of whether they like what you deliver. The best route is to get a small fee for a paid submission and then take it to the next stage when both parties are reasonably confident that everyone will end up happy.

[dan gulberry]

Well...I've never been stiffed before with music for picture. I haven't yet been for this job. It would be a huge shame since it's a mate who hired me. But I am frustrated about it, whether or not I get the money in the end. The brief was misleading, the comments back from the company it's for are utter crap. I understand that there's no way of convincing someone to like a piece of music if they truly 'hate' it (whatever that means in terms of a corporate video context). But everyone involved has an obligation to everyone else. They should at least try and specify what they don't like - especially given that it's 12 minutes of wall-to-wall music - about 6 separate pieces of music. To simply state that they want the whole thing done again is ridiculous and childish, like they're playing the role of producer for the first time in their lives.

I'm extra frustrated by the fact that it took two people about a month to put it together. This is because the editor wanted the final vid to have music that was 'super synced' - you know, scoring tiny visual events. That would be fine on its own, but he was also not prepared to re-edit the picture, and expected that we could just make music which both *made sense as music* yet matched all the key edit points he'd already established with temp music.

Ah, fuck it. I'm never working for stupid corporations or mates again.

[KuffDam]

Ah, fuck it. I'm never working for stupid corporations or mates again.

Yeah it's sound advice, they are both completely irrational in different ways.. get them together and it's moider :)

This sort of thing is the reason I only do Sound Design for money, not music.