Is it dangerous to go in to a trance?

[invisibleplanet]

originally by phil
Is it dangerous to go in to a trance?


I don't think that 'trancing out' on the dancefloor is a particularly deep state of trance.

various depths of trance are purported to be reached by:

watching tv for long periods of time
repetitive mundance tasks
undergoing a course of hypnotherapy
particpating in sex with a partner
meditation
religious fervour - such as shamanistic ritual and dervish dance
ingesting psychotropic substances


can't think of anymore at present..can anyone add to knowledge here?

has anyone here reached a state which they considered 'trance'?

what purpose do u think 'trance' holds for an individual?

what do the no-future folk think of trance and trancelike states?

[owain_k]

Personally i find them quite enjoyable, either drug induced or ones reached through meditation.....as for whether they are "good" or "bad"....surely those are sociaetally prosrcibed evaluations....

Correct me if i am wrong though ...

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

I walk about in a trance the majority of the time. It saves me having to bring myself back down to the level of the prolataria and, god forbid, actually deal with them.

[invisibleplanet]

..daydreaming is a form of trance, yes :D

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Don't patronise me, prole

[invisibleplanet]

sorry, say that again! I was day-dreaming in my out-to-lunch hour lol

[mr franks]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
..daydreaming is a form of trance, yes :D

...if this is true i am in a trance most of the time. wearing my slippers and litening to miles davis sends me into a bit of a trance. Sometimes when i am talking to people i go in a trance, i then have to pretend i have been listening to them.

[invisibleplanet]

ooooh neuro linguistic programming!!

tell us what the connection between this is with trance?
mantra?

[phil]

tranceformers

[Weishaupt]

n`sync

[phil]

apache devil dance

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by phil
tranceformers

superb!

[Marolo]

Plato described a trance state as a form of madness which was highly desirable.
Trance states can be achieved though the use of stress and deprivation, repetition and hypnosis, boredom and solitary confinement.
I recommend 'Genesis P-Orridge and Z'ev - Direction of Travel' CD.

[decadnids]

NLP - beware!!!!
I personally, have a big thing about NLP - I guess it is due to the fact that I have studied quite a lot in the occult world, and know the sources from where these people have gathered their knowledge, and then they bandy this in the corporate world!.

I employ trance like states quite a lot of the time, generally using visualisation techniques.

[phil]

What do u mean decadnids? tell us more..

[Marolo]

tell me more about NLP please.
I aim for trance states but go into convulsive fits instead.

[decadnids]

NLP - co created by Richard Bandler.
to me, and some people might not see this as a problem, NLP takes techniques that have been around for ages and packages them into a nice consumer friendly, ready to go $$$$ for the NLP (tm). sell it to the corporate masses, arse wank! like life coaches and life style guru's.

I do not agree with any form of money making from this sort of thing. it is a personal thing, and people will probably argue different.

NLP is one of my pet hates, like scientology is a pet hate of mine, and the term electronica and idm. We all have them.

go and discover for yourself, and judge as you feel fit.

[phil]

What techniques does it borrow from the occult deca??

[decadnids]

http://www.purenlp.com/

check that.

BusinessMagic (tm) -fucking arse wank!!! I tell you.

[invisibleplanet]

ok
i mostly agree with you , decadnids, re: nlp,
however -
i think the phrase - 'neuro linguistic programming' is wonder-ful, and as far as i know, the practice of simliar techniques exist in a non-commercial form in the applied psychology 'realm' of cognitive behavioural therapy.

our language/thought do affect our state of mind and consciousness (anyone here read Ouspensky?)

With regards to Bandler selling 'language and thought techniques' to managerial types, well, I guess there has to be something for them to spend their training budget on :|

As for nlp 'borrowing' techniques from the 'occult', i personally find this term (which means 'hidden') a little misleading. I thought these techniques were borrowed from tibetan tantra?

Can anyone clarify further, please?

[invisibleplanet]

i loved the punnery phil made (tranceformers)....
but can we get back to talking about trance now please?

[JE:5]

No.

[invisibleplanet]

Have u seen this?!
They've TRADEMARKED the phrase NLP™ !!!

charlatans! meme-peddlars!

as far as i know, NLP has little to do with trance states

the words 'trance' means
'a state of dread, doubt, or suspense'
'prolonged suspension of consciousness',
'hypnotic condition'
'An intermediate state between sleeping and waking'
'a stunned or dazed state'
'a state of mental abstraction from external things'
'absorption'
'exhaltation'
'ecstacy' (from the Greek ex-stasis , meaning ‘outside of yourself’)

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet

the words 'trance' means
'a state of dread, doubt, or suspense'


fuck, then I too am in a trance all the time.

seriously,
I trance out sometimes. sometimes when I dj I get really into the music and I block everything out and I will forget what records I just played. I just go with it. as for meditation, I have always wanted to get into it and I have tried it so many times but I just can't quiet my mind. my mind is always going. I am always thinking about a couple things at once and I can never slow it down. and when I tried to meditate I would always just sit there and relax a bit, but my mind is saying "ok, I am meditating. yup I am still meditating. and now I continue to meditate." and I know that you are supposed to clear your mind. I think I need some coaching.

[invisibleplanet]

the meaning for 'dread n' doubt' was first used in the middle ages, and has fallen out of common usage now :) (yes, i ate a lexicon)

nowadays, trance refers to the other meanings :)

[MUX]

ever heard of the famous no-future tshirt regarding trance?
[rant]
i think trance should be banned from the world myself...
but pop a Lsd tab, and you'll feel like yr flying in a goa trance floor, you body feels like it moving itself... it funny cause with all those analog twiddling ( like acid) it always jumps to mind that it really tunes you into the music when yr off yr face.. you mind hears what your ears dont... like in many situations but with trance i assume it kinda works naturally , dont know why.. dont know if this is pshysically possible... and trance is more of what that actual meaning of the word discribes... in that case...
i kinda all makes sense, trance being all waveforms and alagorythms repititive rubbish

The trance word can easily be used to divert the topic though, with it being so vast.. like nowadays u get goa trance, isreal trance, pysch trance, ambient trance. do you know some serious trance heads? the fuckin listen to music accroding to time of day..! some albums are morning albums, so they only get heard in the morning....like morn evening, afternoon, right after teaa, dinner, midnight snack etc. albums... either that or they have nightmares of Ganesh and Krishna

my post means.. that trance is what ppl musically advance to.. after techno, dance, ethnic music etc. and it's a damn bad direction to move..
oh.. and going to india? that so '99! thailand? hope u meet leonardo! cape town? they dance with lions down there!
TRANCE IS FASHIONABLE BUT IN BAD TASTE WISE
[/rant over]

ps. this discussion leads to the same road that mp3's cross.. good & bad all at once.. matters who you are, where and how

[pille'ocheoni]

trancing out is a good thing sometimes, esspecially if it has to do with you getting to know yourself better through whatever route you take whether meditation, our prayer, our whatever.......i think that is good..............and daydreaming about the future and goals are good too............

[invisibleplanet]

MUX - loved the trance-musik rant...

tranced-mind however is different thing altogether...
in a tranced state, your suspended between unconscious and conscious, between dreams and waking...
in a state of trance, you're susceptible to suggestion...
or open to everything that you're not
and in some ways, and some environments, this could be dangerous.

trance could be dangerous if u enter it whilst ur in the wrong environment

[MUX]

damn my posts seems off topic, i was thinking were talking bout trance music wise...
tanceing in this sense is normal to a non-frequent drug user... every happen to 'lose seconds' in dancefloors? i kinda stick in one second and continue around 2 secs after... very regualry but i blame acid (lsd) and stroboscopes ( both make ya blind :) )

[MUX]

and another thing.. on the trance state mentally:
this is gonna be hard for all you people to believe but down here is a very very catholic country.. and they have preachers making crippled people walk and blind people see .. they had cancer tumours disappear and so on... and it aint bullshit.. they all fall into a similar trance b4... it is generally tested medically afterwards and the doctors can only use the word 'miracle' to explain some of this stuff...
it's Faith.. and faith alone in my head. if you give a cancer riddled 80 year old a stone and tell them to wash thiers hands with it everyday not to die, and they are scared of dying... they would live

slighty off topic
i've once seen seen a church possesion with a patron saint ( the child madonna in this case ) once...it was raining by bucketloads all day... and these statues are full of gold, so the rain stopped a few seconds before she left the church doors, and restarted seconds after she re-entered ( 2 hours later )... explaination? where there's a will there's a way?

ps. im not a active catholic, i was baptisted as one and dont follow relligon nowadays

[Marolo]

shame on you MUX. Do you really think we'd be talking goa trance music (yuk) in this here board (god forbid) ;)

[MUX]

well... it can easily be the step after 'techno' in some people musical tastes... and as u seen by my mistake.. i hate it anyways

[DsD]

daydreaming is cool. i realy like it. for example in trains and in the bus.
trance music realy sucks cause it`s boring tralala music.
goa or psy trance is funny sometimes...

[MUX]

funnily horrible...

[DsD]

@ MUX: some tracks are realy good. HALLUCINOGEN_-_gamma_goblins_part_2 for example ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

trance blows donkey dicks

[MUX]

hahaha.. HALLUCINOGEN_-_gamma_goblins_part_2 great filename...
at least i know 4 sure that you only downloaded trance music and didnt buy it

[DsD]

buy trance music? are u nuts? even downloading is a big prob for me. there are not much things i can listen to more then 20 seconds ;)
and the track is a goa track... not a pure trance track like in german charts ;)

[DsD]

@ pille: i like to hear trance... sometimes... just to remember how pure some people are who think that this is real techno ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

trance = dookie shithttp://www.plur.cheekfreak.com/images/etards3.jpg

[aleks]

trance music makes me vomit...it was always shit and will always be shit.

[pille'ocheoni]

trance is vomit dookie donkey shit

[DsD]

hm i`m not sure if it is all right to say it`s shit. we don`t want that people call the music we like shit. sure... it is crapp from our point of view but i`m lucky that this music is out there cause the stupid people go to parties with that music and not to our parties ;)
i can`t find something positiv in that music but i think we have to accept it and hope that we never have to hear it on a party or something like that. ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

yeah your right............feed them more shit, they like shit and keeps the mass's away.............thats what its made for:)

[invisibleplanet]

musik: i liked an 'eat static' trancey album from the 90's - i think it was classed as trance by the genre-lists.

[aleks]

well, trance music is no good at all...and it is alright to say it is shit. and if people don´t like the music i like they can call it shit, i don´t care.

[aleks]

Originally posted by DsD
... it is crapp from our point of view but i`m lucky that this music is out there cause the stupid people go to parties with that music and not to our parties ;)


but if the stupid people listened to "our" music because there would be no trance music they wouldn´t be stupid anymore, would they? or they would listen to other crap music because they are stupid, huh? btw not everybody who listens to good music is not stupid...

well, i feel sick now because i used the t-word way too much...

[invisibleplanet]

have u heard any trance music which is used in ritual by african shamans (drumming/chanting) ??
how about the sufi dervish music - that's trance music

i don't think people ought to call trance music shit! and if people don't like the music, they might call it shit, but in my opinionated opnion, they'd be wrong
lol

[pille'ocheoni]

hehe

[pille'ocheoni]

well thats differnt ip...............that stuff is good.......but paul oakenfold trance sucks

[actionjetzon]

eye-Q trance rocks! good times

[aleks]

if i talk about t-musik i don´t mean music by shamans... everybody knows what we are talking about. and yes, i might be wrong but t-music is shit period i accept every different style and genre of music and would never be that much of a prick to call it shit, but t-music isn´t music anyway it is just disgusting and utter bullshit.

[invisibleplanet]

sorry? who's paul oakenfold? if he's a popular dj and ur about to slag him off..i don't wanna hear. i can go to another music forum to hear gross slatings of the popularists
:harumpf:
lol

[invisibleplanet]

some of eno's music can induce a trance-like state in me when i listen to it

[pille'ocheoni]

hes a english bloke as you guys say..........in the guiness book of world records for the most payed dj ever..............cheers ip

[aleks]

i would never slag anybody off, because i already feel sorry for them being that retarded...

[actionjetzon]

than you´ve never heared any trance...its not only shit, because you don´t like it.
The music is mostly really hard to produce and it needs a lot of time
I speak about trance, and not the nowadays prollo, stupid, dream dance.

[DsD]

äh ip i think all the others talked about the electronic "music" people call trance ;)
Didgeridoo sound is nice too. ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

i own most of eno's work on vinyl and im a die hard fan, thats intellegence...............mas termind stuff.............

as well as many other ambient esque` artists

[aleks]

no...it was always crap back then and nowadays.

[actionjetzon]

don´t talk shit spencer....lol

[aleks]

man,i never do but i spit when i talk...

[actionjetzon]

don´t worry mate...nobody is perfect lol ;)

[invisibleplanet]

yeah - didgeridoo has a wonderful sound
i don't know much about the history of this instrument. perhaps someone knows of a better, non-
commercial site?

[invisibleplanet]

http://aboriginalart.com.au/didgeridoo/

[Weishaupt]

hehe
i remember a party in bavarian. i played old hybrid records and a guy tok a microfone and put it on his didgeridoo...that was great..lot of fun.........

[DsD]

weishaupt that realy sounds great. things like that realy rock ;)

[decadnids]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
Have u seen this?!
They've TRADEMARKED the phrase NLP™ !!!

charlatans! meme-peddlars!



this is my point exactly IP!.

by occult, I mean the wester mystical tradition, the great work - which covers a lot of eastern beliefs.

they also (TM) business magic!.
anything, for personal growth, for me, that is (tm) is bollocks!.

[phil]

best trancehttp://hardhouse.aromadome.com/NormalisationMockUp.jpg

[invisibleplanet]

Museum of Kazakh National Musical Instruments
The Ykhlas museum collects kazakh musical instruments. The most ancient exhibits are referred to the end of the 17th century. One of them is military drum. This first musical accompaniment in the life of a person gave the rhythm of collision. Under the measured magic sound wizards predicted good luck or failure falling into the trance. Shaman's drum was connected with something bestial. And it symbolized association of a person with the nature. The main Spirit of Shaman's protection was the bestial Spirit. During the actions Bakhsy (shaman) Spirit (protector) penetrated into the shaman soul and led the whole ritual. The Second instrument is dombra. Only dombra, unlike drums, accompanies some sides of human life. Speaking dombra advises, sings and speculates, not hurrying in relatively calm rhythm. It sounds meditatively. Sometimes dombra gives a very clear rhythm, assonant tympanums. Later dombra went from shamanism more and more and gained aesthetic value. Many centuries ago somebody possessing fine musical hearing heard a nice music in a sounding bowstring. For a long time those sounds penetrated deeply into souls of people and as a result string instruments were invented.

http://www.asiatravel.kz/kaz.html

[jukka]

Originally posted by aleks
i would never slag anybody off, because i already feel sorry for them being that retarded...

lol lol lol