is it art?

[Sheridan]

I am a general lover of art and am open minded about a lot of art that may be described as not being art, but this shit is just stupid.
read this:

http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2007/09/13/on_and_off/

[thepigjockey]

That's nature, not art, surely... And they actually look like saddo-tourist-standing-in-front-of-something pictures..

[Tec]

If that was a tsunami, it rose and froze fucking quickly.

I think thats just the front end of a glacier.

[Sheridan]

sorry, that was the wrong link.
I didn't notice I made a mistake.
right link is up now.
so my post makes sense now.

[joe pinapples]

this is the same cunt who does the crumpled up paper ball and the bit of blue tack on the wall of the gallery - a giant fandan.

[joe pinapples]

this is art however:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8838/1487d8fe817fb62d225144cot2.gif

[Loz]

I could watch that for hours

[joe pinapples]

its mesmorising



"to me - to you"

[emef]

its art if someone says it is

rubbish art
but then again it gets people talking about art dunnit

[Sheridan]

its art if someone says it is

rubbish art
but then again it gets people talking about art dunnit

yeah, good point.

[thembuzz]

in fairness, though, conceptual art isn't really supposed to be about technical mastery and deft execution, is it?

[adsr]

This guy got 20,000 pounds for demonstrating the same artistic talent as a defective circuit breaker," columnist Dave Barry wrote after the prize was awarded.

This world is going to hell in a hand basket, I tell ya...

;)

[emef]

better lights that switch on and off than guns eh, keeps the kids off the streets ;)

[Yer_Maw]

i 'saw' this at MOMA in new york.

I was absolutely pissing myself laughing.

[adsr]

They gave the man 20,000 gbp!!..
That's like what almost 40,000$$!!..

for switching a light on and off!!...
fuck off...
kids need to go fucking work...
@ YM - it's funny up until the moment you realize that you are perhaps
in some way paying for this shit...(well at least we do here in the US..thru taxes...a portion goes to artistic stuff...)

[emef]

and dont forget the electric bill for that nonsense... what a jip

[adsr]

I'm gonna make my own art and it's gonna be
a sign - plain white back ground w/ my own handwriting on it saying,
fucking flick this switch on and off and I'll beat your ass....
and hang it nicely by the light switch...

(where's my fucking 40 grand!??!)

[emef]

is that the classic i could make it meself linda?

people dont though do they :)

[adsr]

is that the classic i could make it meself linda?

people dont though do they :)

no..that's the classic, i could make it better

[garew]

the art world is more about making a point than about making something beautiful.

[Patrick]

I'm starting to warm to it the more it seems to be annoying people.

[thembuzz]

I'm gonna make my own art and it's gonna be
a sign - plain white back ground w/ my own handwriting on it saying,
fucking flick this switch on and off and I'll beat your ass....
and hang it nicely by the light switch...

(where's my fucking 40 grand!??!)

why don't you? a piece of conceptual art critiquing another piece of conceptual art? that's so post-modern it'll make andy warhol come back from the dead and have a quiet wank next to a tree before going to the council to put his name on the housing register so he can spend the rest of eternity watching jeremy kyle in his underpants

[skosh]

i'm gonna say no its not art before i even look at the link because i think if one has to ask such a question then it cant be art

just my umble op

[adsr]

the art world is more about making a point than about making something beautiful.

Please tell me the point in flicking a light on and off...

[thembuzz]

what's the point in a painting of some sunflowers?

[adsr]

why don't you? a piece of conceptual art critiquing another piece of conceptual art? that's so post-modern it'll make andy warhol come back from the dead and have a quiet wank next to a tree before going to the council to put his name on the housing register so he can spend the rest of eternity watching jeremy kyle in his underpants

:P

[adsr]

what's the point in a painting of some sunflowers?


Historically, what has been the purpose of art??
to tell a story, for worship, for visual beauty, to comemorate something,
to teach...etc...communication at a higher level...

[adsr]

i'm gonna say no its not art before i even look at the link because i think if one has to ask such a question then it cant be art

just my umble op


no opinion is ever humble...;)

[emef]

what's the point in a painting of some sunflowers?

hehe

i know, its not like they do owt good like people is it? they just sit there all yellow and gormless, fuckin rubbish

[adsr]

hehe

i know, its not like they do owt good like people is it? they just sit there all yellow and gormless, fuckin rubbish

well, for you it wouldn't really be art...
more like porn..

[emef]

well, for you it wouldn't really be art...
more like porn..



nah you're way out on the linda

indian wedding dress catalogues... thats my porn ;)

[V Knid esq]

The lightbulb thing won the turner prize too, like YEARS ago. Americans are so behind the times.


Everything is art.

[adsr]

nah you're way out on the linda

indian wedding dress catalogues... thats my porn ;)

you're a really sick, twisted man...

[emef]

jeezo!!!

a guy likes a bit of hand crafted sari fabric, some lovely gold jewellery, a nicely designed bindi, the idea of a beautiful dark haired doe eyed maiden waiting for me at the altar

and he gets a bad name

i dont understand this world :-p






chortle

[adsr]

The lightbulb thing won the turner prize too, like YEARS ago. Americans are so behind the times.


Everything is art.

oh,

..shut up...

[adsr]

jeezo!!!

a guy likes a bit of hand crafted sari fabric, some lovely gold jewellery, a nicely designed bindi, the idea of a beautiful dark haired doe eyed maiden waiting for me at the altar

and he gets a bad name

i dont understand this world :-p






chortle

you should watch the movie
kama sutra then...

that sounds right up your alley..
http://cdn-4.nflximg.com/us/boxshots/large/664274.jpg
lol...
The light switch in emef's brain just switched to on...

[emef]

read the book, ended up in traction for months

still need to wear a pelvic harness (whatever one o them is)

[adsr]

read the book, ended up in traction for months

still need to wear a pelvic harness (whatever one o them is)

lol










sicko...

[emef]

ya bring it out in me :D

[garew]

Well, the man is an idiot if he needs to use an entire laptop to turn a light off.

[adsr]

Well, the man is an idiot if he needs to use an entire laptop to turn a light off.



LOL!!..
I thought from your 'trying to make a point' post you
were into it....'feelin' his artistic endeavor and what not..

[garew]

I personally would have put a plastic orange in the center of the room and have a mutli colored spotlight on the fake fruit change color every 10 seconds. (controlled by a laptop of course).

Art to me is about skill. Not just anyone should be able to do what you do if you are a great artist.

Its the emperor has new clothes mentality. No one wants to say "I don't get it" at the party

[adsr]

I personally would have put a plastic orange in the center of the room and have a mutli colored spotlight on the fake fruit change color every 10 seconds. (controlled by a laptop of course).

Art to me is about skill. Not just anyone should be able to do what you do if you are a great artist.

Its the emperor has new clothes mentality. No one wants to say "I don't get it" at the party


I'm not so much on the "not anyone can do it" mentality w/ art..
but I do think it definitely has to have some form of expression/feeling/depth or even uniqueness in cleverness(whatever)...even shallow depth for that matter..but some kind of substance...
which is why my art is the simple - sign on the light switch, threating to kill anyone who fucks w/ it...

;)

[garew]

I guess I said if you are a great artist. People can make pretty things and evoke feelings and be fairly good artists, but great artists that everyone remembers through time usually display a true gift. But we've all read art history books detailing the history of modern art. All the works, like the lights going off, in Art History books that seem simplistic usually set off movements in the art world and philosophies about art and are credited and remembered for the change they have made rather than for the appreciation of the pieces themselves. Maybe I'm being a master of the obvious

[adsr]

I guess I said if you are a great artist. People can make pretty things and evoke feelings and be fairly good artists, but great artists that everyone remembers through time usually display a true gift.


not necessarily... because sometimes an artist isn't remembered or even liked and then because of a change in style or the zeitgeist of the time an artist who was nothing can then be viewed as a particularly "great artist"...
but I do get your meaning...

[thembuzz]

Art to me is about skill. Not just anyone should be able to do what you do if you are a great artist.

yeah, anyone could turn a light switch on and off, but not everyone could give it a purpose

not that i know the rationale behind the light-switching, but i'm guessing there's one

[AVX23]

the art of bullshit is the only art I see here - total rubbish.

conceptual or not, I think it needs a little more substance.

But I do agree it's got people talking, and I like his comments about how it's down to individual perception to find meaning, but I think he could have made more of an effort.

[thembuzz]

the art of bullshit is the only art I see here - total rubbish.

conceptual or not, I think it needs a little more substance.

But I do agree it's got people talking, and I like his comments about how it's down to individual perception to find meaning, but I think he could have made more of an effort.

if you want 'substance', conceptual art is the wrong place to look for it. it's the original medium-is-the-message artform. totally anti-aesthetic

funnily enough, the anti-aestheticism thing came about as a reaction to more traditional forms of art, because it was felt that such artforms, where technical skill was key, were bourgeois and elitist. and much as i'm defending it here, i can't think of any artform more bourgeois and elitist than conceptual art

if it makes you all feel any better, i do feel like a fucking ponce

anyway, as knid touched on earlier - what is art? if any of you can actually, verbally define art for me, then you can tell me what is or isn't it. otherwise you all just sound like your grandma listening to autechre and going, "this isn't music"

[kams]

People who say art is bullshit are right... it's just interesting how inventive, witty and strange people's bullshitting can get. It's also quite right that art annoys and challenges people - thats what it should do.

[adsr]

The only bullshit I can see from this whole thread is paying
this guy 20,000gbp for this...

[JonnySpeed]

"It is art if it is in an art gallery" Damien Hirst on Pharmacy (1992), a life-size recreation of a chemist's shop.

[Sheridan]

"It is art if it is in an art gallery" Damien Hirst on Pharmacy (1992), a life-size recreation of a chemist's shop.

so then why is "art" put in office buildings?

[thembuzz]

then it is "office"

[dom_90]

He beat Mike Nelson (http://www.peeruk.org/html/projects/nelson2.html) at the turner prize a few years ago.
this probably isn't the best article but his work is well good.