displacement

[piscaries]

ever wake up one day and find that you feel alien to everything you were once comfortable with? it's been hapening to me lately and i can't quite figure out what to do with it. it's not really a state of depression, but a feeling that everything has become detatched. anyone else go through this?

[jukka]

no, not really.
sometimes i just think about my whole life and the way it will (probably) or should go.

[jukka]

and sometimes i have the feeling (mostly when i had some days or one/two weeks off ) that i am totally displaced there.but the feeling allways leave me one or two days later...but i think it is normal, isn't it ?

[grobelaar]

I feel detached all the time... (someone mentioned something about this recently - but I can't remember...)

[grobelaar]

Although it has been worst recently - I think it’s the war, its having a bad effect on everyone.

[piscaries]

yeah, i'm sure that does have a bit to do with it. i think all of the human race is sad right now because of it.

[jukka]

it is just unbelievable and totally sad what is going on

[jukka]

and i think it's macabre that they show the war all the time on tv___you can see dead people in the afternoon and every child can watch this :(

[piscaries]

but it's so entertaining! i guess they gotta get their ratings somehow. as long as i geet to watch the simpsons, i'm okay.

[grobelaar]

I think the coverage is disgusting... They are saying that opinion polls are saying that the majority of the UK supports the war - I know people think this is propaganda - but I can believe it...

A few pictures of some fast jets, attack helicopters and battle tanks with a few soundbytes from the boys in the Gulf and people are easily swayed... I think a lot people are attracted by the alure of the 'means of war' as opposed to just war itself...

It is this that has got me questioning the ethics of writing and designing war games...

Any way here's some stuff that isn't on the news - not very pleasant...

http://chapelhill.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/3370.php

and here's some arab cartoonists take on the war too... (a bit more light hearted)

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Cartoons/2003%20cartoons/March%202003%20cartoons.htm

[piscaries]

those pics are brutal. a wonderful pick-me-up.

[Triptonizer]

Originally posted by piscaries
i think all of the human race is sad right now because of it.
Wolfowitz seemed pretty pleased with himself.

[piscaries]

pardon my lack of knowledge.. who's wolfowitz?

[DsD]

ähm sorry but the war stuff they show is not hard enough. not enough blood, dead people, crying children and all the other stuff.
they show clean pics... not the full brutality for the people there. all people have to see how evil this f* war is...

[jukka]

Originally posted by piscaries
those pics are brutal. a wonderful pick-me-up.
brutal and macabre...seems like people dig this today....
oh my god the world is full of shit...we will be the first race which is gonna kill itself.

[jukka]

Originally posted by DsD
ähm sorry but the war stuff they show is not hard enough. not enough blood, dead people, crying children and all the other stuff.
they show clean pics... not the full brutality for the people there. all people have to see how evil this f* war is...

i can't agree on this one dsd !

[DsD]

hey look what they show. that isn`t all. that war is much more ugly than that.

[tsr_tomas]

i´ve sleept 14hour´s lastnight... it´s a new personal record. i´ve been so happy today.. i must be a alien.

[Triptonizer]

Originally posted by piscaries
who's wolfowitz?
http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/depsecdef_bio.html
one of the ultra hawkish architects of current foreign policy in washington

[piscaries]

ah, thanks trip

[Lady E]

piscaries - read 'metamorphosis' by kafka
i think it encapsulates that feeling of displacement really well.
i really know how you are feeling i have felt it many times. it will pass, but i guess exploring it might be interesting too

[owain_k]

I think i go through phases of feeling more or less detached ....

Is this possibly a planetary/cyclical thing....?

The war has definately left me feeling low though....cheated by the sysytem....

[bitch one]

could be sinusitis

[piscaries]

thanks for the tip emma. i guess this type of mood is a good one for settling in and reading, and why not make the reading good? i'm off to the library tonight ;)

[JE:5]

I have recentley had a couple of attacks of sleep paralysis which have been really frightening, I have also been lucid dreaming recently aswell.
All of this is for the first time, I have never done either of these two things before.

[piscaries]

those can be really frightening at first, but if you learn to relax while they're hapening you can really explore those phenomenon. it seems to take a bit of effort to feel comfortable in those situations though.

[Marolo]

I had a lot of those when I was taking ketamine on a daily basis.

Here is something I got from a Karl Jansen paper on ketamine(2001):
"Ketamine use has been linked with sleep disorders such as sleep paralysis and night terrors. The sleeper wakens from deep stage 4 sleep with a loud scream. They may report being either trapped in a small space or in a place without co-ordinates. These are not nightmares as they do not arise during the normal dream REM periods. A woman had 'a trip to Hell' on ketamine, and screamed very loudly. Several weeks after stopping ketamine, the night terrors began. They continued for several years, stopping when she was taking drugs (including alcohol), and restarting when she had been drug free for several weeks. The condition gradually faded. The screaming may not have appeared during periods of drug use as these provided a conduit for buried parts of the psyche to communicate with 'the surface' in other ways. When she stopped using drugs, these parts may have been 'entombed' and only burst through during deep sleep by means of a penetrating scream. Nevertheless, the wall-weakening effect of the initial ketamine may have triggered the condition. There were predisposing personality features and a family history of mental health problems (Jansen 2000). Ketamine may have also disrupted the 'wetware' / 'software' of sleep mechanisms (Feinberg & March 1995)."

[pille'ocheoni]

i feel like that some times also....................recent ly since my desire for the spirtual box has left me, the more unconscience fluid actions of a day to day environment has become more befinicial than i could possibly amagine.

a bit spacey i know

[Lady E]

sleep paralysis is a KILLER. i hate it.

[karitek]

what exactly is sleep paralysis?

i have had a handful of lucid dreams and i love them - some of the most interesting things i have ever experienced, with the added benefit of feeling totally refreshed and well-rested the next day.

i kinda know what you mean piscares...i have been having to rethink loads of parts of my life recently and still havent figured out my place in it all. i think it is a good thing - i like trying to figure it all out - atleast it feels like i am heading in the right direction.

[piscaries]

yeah. today i decided to completely redo my studio setup. i'm pretty much starting from the ground up again, but i feel it will help me in the long run. i'm going from a path of time-consuming in-depth creativity to a path that allows more for spontinaeity and less time restrictions all the while allowing me to use a new thought process. i have a good feeling about this move. now if i can just fix the rest of the world...

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by Marolo
I had a lot of those when I was taking ketamine on a daily basis.

Here is something I got from a Karl Jansen paper on ketamine(2001):
"Ketamine use has been linked with sleep disorders such as sleep paralysis and night terrors. The sleeper wakens from deep stage 4 sleep with a loud scream. They may report being either trapped in a small space or in a place without co-ordinates. These are not nightmares as they do not arise during the normal dream REM periods. A woman had 'a trip to Hell' on ketamine, and screamed very loudly. Several weeks after stopping ketamine, the night terrors began. They continued for several years, stopping when she was taking drugs (including alcohol), and restarting when she had been drug free for several weeks. The condition gradually faded. The screaming may not have appeared during periods of drug use as these provided a conduit for buried parts of the psyche to communicate with 'the surface' in other ways. When she stopped using drugs, these parts may have been 'entombed' and only burst through during deep sleep by means of a penetrating scream. Nevertheless, the wall-weakening effect of the initial ketamine may have triggered the condition. There were predisposing personality features and a family history of mental health problems (Jansen 2000). Ketamine may have also disrupted the 'wetware' / 'software' of sleep mechanisms (Feinberg & March 1995)."

I used to have a similar experience when I was a kid, quite regularly - it was really scary - my parents had to buy me one of those night lights cos they thought I was scared of the dark... Didn't make it go away...

[grobelaar]

...without the ketamine bit - obviously - unless my parents we're slippin' something in my food - when I was kid they put whisky and brandy in my milk... so who knows?

[piscaries]

geh? why'd they slip you a mickey?

[JE:5]

I was taking these herbal valerian tablets but they weren't working at the recommended dose of 4 so I was taking about 10, maybe that had something to do with the sleep paralysis but I'm not sure.
I ran out of those tablets (which incidently smelled like horse shit)
but my girlfriend says she gets it when she has hayfever, wonder if there is some link between hayfever and sleep paralysis?