Feminism

[baba]

this is sort of a continuation of the xxx thread.
i was interested in the fact that IP stated that she isn't a feminist. This in turn made me wonder what you all think about feminism. What does Feminism mean to you? Are any of you feminists? (this applys to boys too you know) Do you know any?

[phil]

life aint nuttin but bitches and money...sheet.

[tsr_tomas]

Feminism, truly is a missunderstood word. should be Humanism.
But Female´s is still under payed and all that, that´s why it´s called feminism still i guess.
boys i know dont often know that it stand for equal society rights between the genders.

i´m a feminist, even have a little purple star on my jacket.
phil, no it´s not gay. it´s to take a stand !

[baba]

what about equal 'cultural' rights?

[enigmatic]

Most feminists are always after "equal" rights

"equal rights" for women

women should be treated "equally"

etc etc etc

but they never seem to realise that sometimes you cant treat the sexes equally it just doesnt work that way.

Do you see feminists complain if a woman gets a lesser prison sentence than a man even if they committed the same crime?

[pille'ocheoni]

i agree, the typical stero type of a feminist, is negative man hating lesbians.

everything tomas said is what i think. equal rights yeah sure, fight for what you want.

[phil]

_

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by baba
this is sort of a continuation of the xxx thread.
i was interested in the fact that IP stated that she isn't a feminist. This in turn made me wonder what you all think about feminism. What does Feminism mean to you? Are any of you feminists? (this applys to boys too you know) Do you know any?

yes, baba - i don't call myself a feminist. i don't know what i am :)


To me, feminism is a politico-scocial movement, led by women (and the men who support them), to redress the imbalance between how men are treated and how women are treated.
Historically, this movement has it's roots in the politcal and social inequalities between men and women, and has been pioneered in a society whose economy thrives on the inequality of pay and human rights issues across class and gender.

i believe that the western-hemisphere's emancipation of women has also freed men-folk, in more ways than they can probably realise, and i don't think the gay movement would be where it is today without the feminist movement.
The call for 'equal rights for women' has hopefully caused men to look more closely at their role and position in society

I had a friend who I don't see anymore, who was a radical feminist, and crusader for women's rights. She carved a role for herself in her community as educator of the downtrodden represessed woman, but was herself incredibly bitter towards men after having been abandoned by the father of her two children. She has been the most sterotypical feminist I have met, being now in her late forties, and active during the feminist movement of the 70's. Her strength and conviction appeared to be derived from this deep well of hatred for being left alone with two young babies, after two very difficult pelvis-splitting episiotomic/forceps births (she had very narrow hips), but her drive to assist to other women in the community was commendable, even if she sometimes appeared over-zealous and domineering to me. Her stance was understandable after what she had been through, and I learned alot from her, but did not adopt the title of 'feminist' even though i share some of her values.

I think we will see a rise in feminism in the middle east, due to the suffrage of women due to the extremist patriarchal/political islamic interpretations of the Qu'ran. Mohammed was not an abuser of women, and sought to prevent girl children from being abandoned by their fathers, and was himself a feminist, in my eyes. It's a real shame that his message was twisted.

[baba]

Ip - I am a feminist and I love feminism because it helps me love and respect myself in a phallocentric world that tells me that I am inadequate -subtly, almost silently at times but constantly nagging away from all directions. For me feminism is about so much more than equal pay although that is extremely important. it is also amongst other things about trying to see myself through my own eyes rather than via the male gaze - being a subject rather than an object. its a beautiful thing and just because you object to patriarchy does not mean you hate men themselves. men, like women are individuals full of complex idiosyncrasities ,views, opinions and feelings and lumping them together into one 'thing' is about the most unfeminist way of doing things. feminism works towards liberating everyone i reckon

[invisibleplanet]

maybe i AM a feminist?

i worked for years in an environment which was 95% male, studied male subjects at high school (being the first female to do so), and I did have to make some strong debates to be in that position.
yes - feminism is more than equal pay, and more than
being equal with a man.

i believe we all need to be subject to the same laws, not 'one rule for men, another for women'. I don't really see a difference between men and women.

[tsr_tomas]

you go girl´s !

[invisibleplanet]

have u read any Penelope Shuttle, baba?

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.marionboyars.co.uk/Specific%20title%20pages/wise.html

[baba]

Ip - no I haven't, Is she good? Any book recommendations?
I read quite a lot of feminist psychoanalytic and post-structuralist theory - I'm a bit of a nerd in that way.

tomas- why don't you come along for the ride ?-it aint just a girl thing you know?

[invisibleplanet]

yes, penelope shuttle is a feminist poet and author. In 1979, she wrote (with her partner, the poet Peter Redgrove) the first treatise on the female condition - menstruation.
Their book was/is a ground-clearing tome, full of intelligent theory and fact, and is probably stil the only comprehensive work on menstruation today.
I have the original, (battered) of this book, which I will gladly post to u to read, on condition it is returned so I can lend it to other women. It is a book which is permanently on loan :)
It is also one of those books which is hungrily devoured by both men and women alike, for the excellent understanding of nature's cycle in woman.

[invisibleplanet]

ps - i think tomas is already with us ;)
have u read germain greer's the female eunuch?
or naomi wolfe's 'the beauty myth'?

[baba]

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/english/English295/albright/main1.htm

the shuttle link reminded me of this film by Nick Zed called 'war is menstrual envy' - i just watched the news ...

[baba]

I've read parts of GG's The Female Enuch and all of The Whole Woman - which I thought was great - I gave it to my Mum. its very accessible and full of horrifying current statistics which show how sadly incomplete the feminist project is so far. I really like the emphasis on feminism and socialism being indissociable and support for motherhood.
Should be taught in schools

[baba]

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/english/English295/albright/main1.htm

sorry - other link may have been to nowhere - this ones good though

[invisibleplanet]

this film sounds great! war is menstrual envy by Nick Zedd, starring annie sprinkle (http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=5083133&domain_id=1877&ad=58339)

I haven't read 'The Whole Woman' yet, but I do admire Ms. Greers zest for life as a woman.

I would haved loved to have been taught socio-sexual issues at high-school, I believe the curriculum still lacks in this important area.
Shuttle's 'Wise Wound' should be compulsory reading for all girls as a preparation for menstruation!!

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by baba
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/english/English295/albright/main1.htm

sorry - other link may have been to nowhere - this ones good though

ok baba, i sped read that discourse on orgasmic myth and woman as a man-destroying monsterous beast(medusa).

i had always associated the medusa with the male-perception of a menstruating women....when u think about the powers of crop failure which a menstruating woman was imbued with by old-testament patriarch's. and the new testament shame upon women which the disciples of jesus promulgated against his actual reported teachings, it's easy to see how the females became so confused about their bodies and roles. Even to this day, women are at war with their bodies, seeking to regulate their natural physical functions by scientific methods.
I still find it sad to see that islam doesn't respect women as their prophet did, even though he made a big point of passing his wife a cup whilst menstruating, showing compassion and love for her over the social taboo of not touching a menstruating woman.

[baba]

i think the taboo on menstruation has something to do with fear of 'the bloody wound of castration'. As if 'becoming a woman' is contagious or a disease or something.
I strangely enjoy my periods - when they finally come I feel quite elated. i do become narky and quite wierd the week before but its really healthy - possibly the only week of the month i vent my anger at the world .

I chatted with my boyfriend today and we worked out that my pre menstrual grumpiness worked out to be approximate to his except mine is concentrated into one week whereas his is spread out. I just save mine up for effect. maybe PMT is an economical thing?

[minor tint_]

this is the best class ive ever been to

[tsr_tomas]

baba: i´m a Feminist !!
tjohoooo....

(thought that was pretty clear at the first post, with the star and everything).

[invisibleplanet]

PMT - gladly don't suffer from it anymore..but it used to be unbearable!
It's comes after the point where your progesterone kicks in, and tells ur womb it's not going to be rented to a new being for the next 10 months. Then the grumpiness kicks in, and wreaks its vengeance on your nearest and dearest, then, there's an unbearable horniness which aches to be fulfilled. Then comes menstruation and big knickers :)

This combination of conflicting emotions and desires it what I call 'screaming egg syndrome'. (although i can't rule out my having plagiarised this from Shuttle - I've read so many books, I don't think I have an original idea in my head anymore!)

I noticed that childless women in their twenties suffer more greatly with PMT, than thirty-something ladies like me, who have already contributed to the population...

[baba]

hey! There's nothing wrong with big knickers, I wear big pants a lot - guess this is where my sexuality resides (re: porn thread).
I know what you mean re: PMT - I'm trying to look at it in a positive way these days- which aint easy but is possible. catharsis? release? my true angry vengeful self- or at least one of my many selves - besides I'm allergic to eggs so its good to get rid of em...

[invisibleplanet]

*g ehem - I like big knickers too! I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with them!! Your current avatar shows just how sexy big knickers are!

I've been meaning to ask...what exactly is a freudian bunny boy?

[baba]

oops sorry Tomas - i was being all ranty and forgot to read properly.

[invisibleplanet]

oh yes, and another question...
where does the slogan 'beyond the pleasure principal' come from?

[baba]

I'm not sure ; i've got lots of Freud books on my desk, a bunny in the kitchen and a boy in my bed. they merged in my mind for a second back there during the porn thread. An erotic moment perhaps...

[invisibleplanet]

hehehe
it's a great turn around of the playboy bunny girl and freud's obsession with sex - I like it. It will catch on :)

[baba]

Beyond The Pleasure Principle is the title of an important essay by Sigmund Freud - relates to the connections between desire, repetition, death and absence.

[baba]

IP -I'll make you some freudian pants if you like. Find an essay title you like (has to be S Freud) and email me with your pantsize. You can have a pair for free cos you are nice. have a look below to see the sort of thing.


http://www.nuisance.org.uk/melanie/html/progress.html

[invisibleplanet]

I'd like to read that. I expect my sister has a copy from when she studied psychiatry :)
I have only a small collection of Freud's essays here, and that's not one of them.
http://www.nuisance.org.uk/textiles/freudpants.htm

I admit to preferring Jung when it comes to discussing the human condition.

[invisibleplanet]

rofl baba! I found pants too!
I;'ll read the related essay now :) thxal

[invisibleplanet]

I'd love a pair of freudian pants. Thankyou :)

[baba]

http://psychematters.com/bibliographies/freudbib.htm

this might help

[invisibleplanet]

I like these titles:
A Special Type Of Choice Of Object Made By Men
A religious experience
The Question of Lay Analysis
Medusa's Head

but i think, on my big knickers, i would like Medusa's Head :)
given that we talked of her earlier!

[baba]

medusa's head would be most apt - and i haven't done that one before. It would be a cool pair to do

[invisibleplanet]

cool! Medusa's Head it is!

[baba]

I'm off to bed now -goot to teach in the morning. i just found this though which is quite interesting -its a woman's critical response to a pornographic telephone message

http://www.freedonia.com/panic/obscenities/obscenities.html

[invisibleplanet]

thx - u have mail, and i'll read the response in the morning .
it's been a pleasure posting :)

[invisibleplanet]

moving on from freudian pants....

but staying with medusa's head, I wonder if u have read any Barbara Black Koltuv? (jungian analyst)
in particular, her work on the dark side of feminity.

[MUX]

what a sweet board we are nowadays..
guys talk porno & gals talk panties..
http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/yipes.gifhttp://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/eek.gif

[bitch one]

i was talkin shit

[invisibleplanet]

I was gonna reply to u b1
what u said is why i don't consider myself a feminist.

[bitch one]

sorry. pub lunch = hangover and consequent collapse of self-confidence

[invisibleplanet]

ok
so what do u think about feminism again?

[bitch one]

what i said (off the top of my head, without having read any clever books, and without having thought very deeply about it) was that maybe a lot of feminist thinking is logically flawed, being based on circular reasoning - the hardcore feminist automatically interprets everything as ammunition for the cause. and it is impossible to argue with her - because any argument against her point of view is based on oppressive male logic. in otherwords - it's the standard, dogmatic, oppressive 'you're with us or against us' argument, as used by george bush. and so it is just as oppressive to free thinking as all those bad men.

oh and i also said that the vast majority of men in the world are pretty inadequate and oppressed.

[invisibleplanet]

u have a valid point. my ex-friend the feminist was a vehement man-hater, and she used her venom to fight the feminist cause, and advise other 'downtrodden' women, and incite rebellion in their relationships. Overall, found her view rigid-minded and polluted and, and a feminist brand of mysogeny.

[baba]

oh dear, - but what you are talking about is just one face of feminism. There are so amny others. Rigid-mindedness is so un-feminist -which is about inclusion not exclusion for everyone. there are 'feminists' like Angela Dworkin for instance who do promote an oppositional man-hating point of view. Its unfortunate that they get the most media attention. its like watching Top of the Pops and assuming that all pop music is like 'Blue' or 'Gareth Gates' or summat. we gotta break apart those sterotypes if the worlds gonna get better.

[invisibleplanet]

Breaking apart the stereotypes may prove difficult - perhaps it's better that they remain as a reminder of the pre-made mould which many people force their personalities into whilst they are finding themselves.

i still don't feel comfortable with the term 'feminism', largely due to it's exclusivity of the male sex. I think that 'humanism' could be a better term, although i believe that 'humanism' already has a definition as a philosophical/sociological/psychological school of theory.

i feel that bitchone makes a valid point when he says that many men are also oppressed (by work, wife, family, fatherhood, and society's given role), and indeed, this oppression does not make a distinction by gender. it is my opinion that the vast majority of men, and a great deal of women are alientated from the term 'feminism', because of the existing negative connotations it has developed during it's growth in the 20th Century. Bearing that in mind, maybe a new term would be timely?

I wonder to myself if most of the 'oppression' we experience in our country comes from our own inherent lack of courage, low self-esteem, and lack of personal and social development, and surely, this cannot be exclusive to either gender, but a part of our human condition..

[Weishaupt]

im a feminist too
:-)

[MUX]

damn.. Then can i have the Womanizer title?

[pille'ocheoni]

im a humanist

[Weishaupt]

im a satanist

[pille'ocheoni]

i practice johnism

[Weishaupt]

budda was my last name

[pille'ocheoni]

embeded acended masters occupy my everything

[Weishaupt]

and suddenly a vision in pilles head:
"Im a door of a garden fence"

[MUX]

sounds good to me.
i will boycott this thread cause u chicks were talking some serious freud shit up there.. and i wouldnt wanna touch that topic with a ten foot pole gals. respect to the Breasted & Bleeding few of our little community.
may thy mood swings never interfere with thy thread!

[tsr_tomas]

i´m a BARKIST... and that´s for sure... even have my own star... the brown star, just like bark is.

barkismen is the youth to all life !
barkismen can´t be wrong, coz you do as you feel like, and if you like porn watch, but it´s good to know what you watch.
barkismen rule !

btw, barkismen can´t be wrong !

[enigmatic]

Originally posted by MUX
may thy mood swings never interfere with thy thread!

rofl

PMS is a part of life for us girls :D

[bitch one]

Originally posted by baba
oh dear, - but what you are talking about is just one face of feminism. There are so amny others. Rigid-mindedness is so un-feminist -which is about inclusion not exclusion for everyone. there are 'feminists' like Angela Dworkin for instance who do promote an oppositional man-hating point of view.

i think what i was trying to say is that perhaps the decision to make everything a gender issue is flawed. i think even a lot of 'mild' feminists do this. not everything is a gender issue. it seems to me from my limited experience of, eg, feminist critics that they tend to view everything through this supposition...which makes their reasoning circular according to dempsey's book of logic..correct me if i'm wrong, i'm wingin it here.

[MUX]

PMS?
my opinion?
the whole month of a female life is Crap & all PMS Attacks

PREMENSTRUAL SYNDROME (week b4), PRESENT PREMENSTRUAL SYNDROME (bloody week), and PAST MENSTRUAL SYNDROME (week after ) ... 3 weeks! and you know what? the other week is spent on diet !
:) god-damn !

[baba]

Ah bitch One- that's where we differ. My wide ranging experience of 'feminist's' tells me otherwise -most of the feminists I know are profoundly intelligent, free-thinking and open minded individuals ( the men and the women). i guess i've met a few more than you because of my education.

I think perhaps my awareness of feminist issues, theory et al may be rather too complex and intricate to explore/explain fully on this particular board as it does have a basis in some quite difficult theory. this is probably not the best place

I don't think feminism is purely a gender issue ( I think all us gals are a little boy and boys are never just boys) - I think it has more to do with attitude and a certain flexibility with regards to our identity. it has to be said though that we do live in a sexist society (this board reflects that to a certain extent) which does make assumptions based on our physical gender. Our culture does not treat boys and girls the same way and from the beginning of our lives there we are pushed (consciously and unconsciously) into what seems like fixed gendered roles. feminism isn't just for girls (i think i've said this several times now) but it does focus on women's rights because women are the ones who need them.

[baba]

Oh - and what is Dempsey's book of logic?

[invisibleplanet]

i understand your point about girls=little boy and boys=little girl, from a philosophical point of view, using the yin-yang as a graphic example, in that the male contains within it a small part of female, and vice-versa.

I'd like to see you skim the surface of these complex theorems and issues with regards to feminism, as it is not a subject which I feel clued up on.

[baba]

just to add to my last post

...in the same way that the Civil Rights movement in the USA focused on the rights of black people.

Ip - i'll need to think before i skim the surface. i feel i have to approach this delicately so as not to unwittingly bulldoze my way in

[invisibleplanet]

well - we could start at the very beginning, where little girls are in the womb, and either turn into little boys, or remain little girls....

[baba]

Ip - clean out your private message box - i've been trying for ages!!!

[invisibleplanet]

Done
Sorry for the delay
I've been away :)

[wheezer]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2919914905&category=1277

[tsr_tomas]

hahahaaaaa.. funny !

[aleks]

muhahaha that´s hilarious lol

[Weishaupt]

http://home.no.net/dogg/flash/fuckhergently.swf

[invisibleplanet]

baba, have u read any M Esther Harding?

[grobelaar]

This is complicated one - I think the feminist movement is ultimately doomed to failure - it is striving to achieve equality in what is essentially an unequal society...

Fundamentally our society is about winners and losers, and that is probably due to overwhelming male influence over the centuries. Feminism seeks an equal stake in that (is that true - I'm just guessing - please feel free to correct me) - and that is where it is flawed - it should be seeking to remould our society in a more matriarchal fashion , rather than compete in a patriarchal society...

I haven't read any of these weighty tomes, so please feel free to flame and call me an idjit...

[invisibleplanet]

i can see where you are coming from, but i don't think feminism seeks to remould our society in a more matriarchal fashion. (leastwise, i hope not!)

i can see that a part of the feminist movement is about equal stakes, but deep down, my gut feeling is there are at least 5 genders of human.

[invisibleplanet]

In a nondescript office block overlooking Cardiff Bay, an extraordinary moment of political history was played out this week. It passed without any great fuss or fanfare in the wider world, but, in the long history of women's struggle for proper political representation, it was ground-breaking, earth-shattering, almost incredible. Following last week's elections, the Welsh assembly, created in 1999 following devolution, has become the first legislative body in the world to be made up of equal numbers of men and women. read full story here... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,3604,952106,00.html)

[penciLneck]

@grobelaar


idjit!

[baba]

hey , grobelar you are right (i think so ) but feminism isn't some crass girls against boys thing ,its not about replacing or instilling a 'matriarchal' society in place of the trad patriarchy cos this would keep us trapped in a dualistic either/or position which changes nothing - puts another dictatorship in the place of the old one. Feminism is for the boys too . Its not a war -its socialism, its about friendship and respect, life and having a really good time with people you like - its about liking people. its about my mate Mick feeling really happy cos he's taken a few months off work to spend some time with his daughters - he's glowing because after just a couple of weeks of time together he's got to know them more than over the past year of bedtime stories. Its about being really proud of your girlfriend cos she's just completed her phd and that peculiar warm intimate feeling when you peg her knickers on the washing line. Its about respecting your mum and thinking about all the work she did to make your life as good as it can be with no financial or social recognition. feminism is just about the coolest thing

[Annefrankingmachine]

in my day we didn't have these feminists.
we women just knew our place and got on with it.
i rather liked it that way to be honest. i would stay home while my husband, jim, went out to make ballbearings at hoffmans and i had the whole day to do exactly what i liked.
Most days i just made jam but i've always had a passion for jam making so it suited me fine. Nowadays you see these poor girls with their see through dresses on and their nasty careers and you just think to yourself, "shouldn't you be at home with your arms in a twin tub or something."

[V Knid esq]

Chicks are, like, cool.

[invisibleplanet]

guys are, like, really cool too, but i've been thinking...
about the WHO statistics which projects that by 2030, men will outnumber women (globally) by 2:1....

[marcel]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
guys are, like, really cool too, but i've been thinking...
about the WHO statistics which projects that by 2030, men will outnumber women (globally) by 2:1....


ah, i believe we here in eastgermany have this already, its,hm, not cool..

[invisibleplanet]

yes, there is a strange statistical imbalance between north and south india too...more males are born in the north, more females in the south...

but yes marcel...2:1 ratio will certainly change many things.

let's talk about war...isn't this some kind of male-culling ritual? i'm just wondering if there is any correlation between the natural increase of males and the occurance and frequency of most outbreaks of war.

[V Knid esq]

are you surea bout that? I know there are more men in places like India and China where female foetuses are aborted or even killed after being born, but overall the natural birthrate is increasing for female and decreasing for male due to the hormone analogues pumped into the water supply by plastics manufacture etc.

[Annefrankingmachine]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
i've been thinking...
about the WHO statistics which projects that by 2030, men will outnumber women (globally) by 2:1....



As us ladies will be "rarer" in the years to come, Does this mean it would be okay for me to have two husbands instead of just one?
i think i'd like that.
I could have a virtual hareem like one of those African fellas.

Is it true that in the city of Nottingham, UK, there are alot more women than men?
Does anyone know why this is?

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by V Knid esq
are you surea bout that? I know there are more men in places like India and China where female foetuses are aborted or even killed after being born, but overall the natural birthrate is increasing for female and decreasing for male due to the hormone analogues pumped into the water supply by plastics manufacture etc.

fairly sure, yes. a nursey friend in the south of england told me about these figures. i'll ask her for the source so we can be clued up, although a well picked boolean search can bring up a variety of articles...

it's a scandal at child infanticide in china. seriously evil and brutal treatment of human young.

as for hormoans in the water supply, surely it could be more to do with women taking the female hormones?

and could those female hormones be in some way responsible for britains 30% lone female of marriageable age figure, as apparently they're unable to sniff out the right mate as well!

tsk - i think artificial hormones are a lousy way to regulate the population.

[baba]

I too heard that women out number men in the west. Read it in that Michael Moore book ' stupid white men'. I know that its usual and normal for there to be more females who survive infancy (less female still born babies than male). In the last 22 years my family has only produced 1 boy (my bruvva) yet 7 girls.

[grobelaar]

Hmmm, only just noticed this resurfacing.

@Baba, yeah, I know what you mean, I thought about what you said and ended up writing a big rant about how we are fucking slaves to computers and the ruling classes and how this probably accounts for any perceived inequalities between genders - (ie women don't get top govt and corp jobs for the same reason I don't that my parents are nobodies) but figured people don't want sit listening to me whinging about sitting in offices being sapped of my creativity.

So I'm not posting it, cos I should be going home sorting my fucking life out and getting on with doing some of things I procrastinate about...

Right, I'm off...

[bitch one]

Originally posted by baba
hey , grobelar you are right (i think so ) but feminism isn't some crass girls against boys thing ,its not about replacing or instilling a 'matriarchal' society in place of the trad patriarchy cos this would keep us trapped in a dualistic either/or position which changes nothing - puts another dictatorship in the place of the old one. Feminism is for the boys too . Its not a war -its socialism, its about friendship and respect, life and having a really good time with people you like - its about liking people. its about my mate Mick feeling really happy cos he's taken a few months off work to spend some time with his daughters - he's glowing because after just a couple of weeks of time together he's got to know them more than over the past year of bedtime stories. Its about being really proud of your girlfriend cos she's just completed her phd and that peculiar warm intimate feeling when you peg her knickers on the washing line. Its about respecting your mum and thinking about all the work she did to make your life as good as it can be with no financial or social recognition. feminism is just about the coolest thing

i don't think what you describe is feminism. it's just being sound.

call it feminism if you want i suppose.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by baba
IP -I'll make you some freudian pants if you like. Find an essay title you like (has to be S Freud) and email me with your pantsize. You can have a pair for free cos you are nice. have a look below to see the sort of thing.


http://www.nuisance.org.uk/melanie/html/progress.html

big thanks, baba! here's the finished product! (http://www.no-future.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=59172#post59172)

[Reese]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


big thanks, baba! here's the finished product! (http://www.no-future.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=59172#post59172)


How many times are you going to link to that picture??

What are you trying to achieve?? This is a site about music, no??

[invisibleplanet]

i have no idea how many times in total, i will link to this picture.
the idea for medusa's head pants (http://www.no-future.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=59172#post59172) originated from this thread.

What was i trying to achieve? answer= a link!

this IS a site about music, yes, aye

Here is where u can find information about the No-Future Art Collective!

U like it?

What are your views of Feminism in the 21st Century?

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by baba
I too heard that women out number men in the west. Read it in that Michael Moore book ' stupid white men'. I know that its usual and normal for there to be more females who survive infancy (less female still born babies than male). In the last 22 years my family has only produced 1 boy (my bruvva) yet 7 girls.

I was reading that the reason more girls survive to adulthood than males, is based on three factors.

1) more male babies than girl babies are born with defects. This could have something to do with the transition into male by the foetus.

2) more male children die in infancy due to birth complications (see above) and more male children die in childhood (due to male-behaviour such as risk-taking

3) by 2030, globally, women will be outnumbered 2/1. This prediction has ( i believe) been made because there are more males surviving infancy and childhood to adulthood because of modern medicine, and because normally, a large war would kill millions of men, but this traditional male-cull isn't predicted to happen by then.?!

[baba]

http://www.ladyfestbristol.org/

Ip - here's a site you might be interested in (it is bristol based but I think there are other franchises in other places too)