View Full Version : Are we going to get a Tory government
V Knid esq
7th May 2007, 15:04
The Scots and French election things reminded me... it's looking tragically like the Conservatives could beat Labour at the next UK General Election... I mean, Gordon Brown doesn't exactly have loads of personality and I suspect he's a psychopath - but then the Tories are truly fucking useless, and Cameron is a wet twat... Lib Dems no use and there's no other potential for a protest vote really. I'd love to not vote Labour as our MP is fucking Tessa Jowell who's a lying, evil Blairite scumbucket - but then what's the alternative? It's a mess :(
vote BNP
it's what every right minded Englishman in your situation would do
terminal viscosity
7th May 2007, 15:22
a wet twat
mmmmm...
my mum told me today the cons got control of blackpool :(
ckpqerjwrpwp
7th May 2007, 16:44
If they don't get in next time they'll probably get in with a 97 labour style landslide in the one after.
I don't really know how much difference it makes though anymore.
V Knid esq
7th May 2007, 16:48
Well there's the question isn't it. I've never felt so disenchanted with politicians as now. But for all their warmongering, Private Finance Initiatives and other fuckups, Labour HAVE narrowed the poverty gap somewhat, extended equal rights for gay people, made some improvements to the NHS (e.g. junior doctors' hours reduced etc), which the Tories would never have done.... It's a choice between the total cunts we've got now and the total and utter incompetent bigoted cunts that are the Tories :(
Yer_Maw
7th May 2007, 17:21
youre all just jelous that we had something to vote for.
ckpqerjwrpwp
7th May 2007, 17:38
I demand independence from Essex.
yeah, but Knid, would the Tories have ever got away with bringing in Tuition fees? Or Foundation Hospitals? Or Academy Schools?
Labour have managed to slide in some majorly right-wing policies because of their MPs voting with the whips, and getting Tory support enough to avoid any problems with backbench rebels
ckpqerjwrpwp
7th May 2007, 17:40
but what's the but Loz?
youre all just jelous that we had something to vote for.
your not far wrong... although its still all guff. Not meaning to be belittling. ;)
JonnySpeed
7th May 2007, 22:14
due to electorial boundaries the tories need atleast a 10 point advantage to be on a par with labour. this reflects a migration to urban areas (more likely to understand the need for social justice) from rural areas (lots of tory daily mail reading cunts). Tories have always been against PR so fuck them
whatever 'new' labours issues and shift to the centre right, after what Maggie did tp the country and our society is never, ever forgiveable. She rode the economic boom supported by massive North Sea gas and denationalisation windfall - and still fucked it up. Evil.
the left maybe demoralised by Blairs government but there is no sign of defection to either LibDem or Tory scum
Spandex
7th May 2007, 22:16
there's no other potential for a protest vote
i've really come round to the idea of spoiling ballot papers. was very much against it at one point... but i think it's the way, or else you're either endorsing some cunt, or (if you don't vote) dismissed as "apathetic".
IMO, the only time u can make a case for voting for "evil power grabbing cunt A" is if you live somewhere marginal and have a real chance of stopping "even worse power grabbing cunt B" from winning.
thembuzz
7th May 2007, 22:19
i don't think there's any question of labour winning the next election, and i don't think there has been for a couple of years. i reckon it's a dead cert the tories are going to win. fuckwads. all of them. the conservatives for being, like, the conservatives, and new labour for being like the conservatives
I've spoilt my paper the last 3 times I've voted. I wrote bollocks on one, WHICH TAUGHT THEM. Well, taught the people in the Electoral Registration office, anyway. Who were actually nice people. BUT NICE PEOPLE WHO WERE TAUGHT.
I didn't vote last week, though. I went to see Have I Got News For You instead.
V Knid esq
8th May 2007, 00:10
Why does this thread keep bouncing to the top over and over agian?
V Knid esq
8th May 2007, 00:11
oh - is it every time someone votes?
JonnySpeed
8th May 2007, 00:50
yeah, but Knid, would the Tories have ever got away with bringing in Tuition fees? Or Foundation Hospitals? Or Academy Schools?
or 15 years of malicious under-funding of education, NHS, public transport? I'm quite surprise at what Labour have achieved with the self-centred society and cripled infrastructure the Tory's left them with.
Spandex
8th May 2007, 07:58
or 15 years of malicious under-funding of education, NHS, public transport? I'm quite surprise at what Labour have achieved with the self-centred society and cripled infrastructure the Tory's left them with.
I was *very* surprised. Back in May 97 I expected Labour to improve things, not just continue (and accelerate) the Tory policies. Silly me.
JonnySpeed
8th May 2007, 08:50
i think alot of people had unrealistic expectations. with a massively tory press, globalisation of economies and fuckwitts running all of our public services. Check the NHS... billions more investment spunked up the wall by idiots. France is fucked from following heavy protectionism within its labour laws while we have had the longest period of economic stability since the end of the war. Iraq is wrong but the tories were more than complicit in the affair.
I'm not a new labour fan but they are a shadow compared to the hell more tory policies would inflict on the country.
Spandex
8th May 2007, 09:17
Iraq is wrong but the tories were more than complicit in the affair.
Do you think that's a sane response to a war crime? Pointing out that the Tories would also have committed the same crime?
Tory.. Labour... Tory.. Labour... the full spectrum of political debate.
V Knid esq
8th May 2007, 09:52
Well what are you suggesting then? Green government? Violent revolution? Ming for President?
Yer_Maw
8th May 2007, 10:05
what exactly is wrong with the lib dems?
marcel
8th May 2007, 10:10
we here in germany have a great coalition of the 2 biggest parties. cons and supposedtobeleftwings. the power they have together is scary. and they are going on installing a fucking bigbrother like system that just fuckin reminds me of good ol' gdr and its stasi. they are even most likely going to change our constitution(!) for that (because our judges told em 'no!no!').
my point is this: you all don't deserve to have it any better than we have. ha
marcel, we have ONE party in Government, and until very recently, they had all the power in the country. That is more scary than having two parties from different angles having all the power
Spandex
8th May 2007, 10:53
Well what are you suggesting then? Green government? Violent revolution? Ming for President?
I didn't suggest anything. I'm pointing out that, if we start arguing about who's best out of Tories and Labour then we've both already lost the argument :)
Not sure what I'm doing about it. I dunno what you want to do about it either. But sneering at the idea that there COULD be an alternative isn't a good start.
marcel
8th May 2007, 10:53
@loz can this one governing party alone change your constitution or would it have to work with the opposition to do that?
our recent government can do that alone if they want to.
JonnySpeed
8th May 2007, 10:58
lib dems are weak and have no basic foundations to their policies. Its like putting a hippy teacher who has no experience or clear ideas in charge. oh lordy.
Yer_Maw
8th May 2007, 11:06
lib dems are weak and have no basic foundations to their policies. Its like putting a hippy teacher who has no experience or clear ideas in charge. oh lordy.
id rather have the hippy teacher rather than the same old cunts who only seem credible with power because they are in it or have been recently. this is the reason why nothing ever changes. in england.
@loz can this one governing party alone change your constitution or would it have to work with the opposition to do that?
our recent government can do that alone if they want to.
even worse.. we don't have a written constitution. So effectively, every time they get a new law through (and got a load of laws through with just their party's votes) they are changing how this country works.
marcel
8th May 2007, 11:27
well, then you're effectively fucked. it's a wonder your country still has some sort of democracy.
my point is this: nelson: HA HA!
;)
soulcheck
8th May 2007, 11:55
Funny i thought that all EU countries have constitution.
ckpqerjwrpwp
8th May 2007, 12:54
Having a constitution doesn't necessarily make any difference though, for a start it has to be a GOOD constitution.. I mean look at the US...
Yer_Maw
8th May 2007, 13:00
do you not think it was a good constitution? not that it makes THAT much difference, imagine what theyd be like if they didnt have the separation of church and state bit. A christian caliphate?
there was a funny thing i read this morning, apparently some atheist organization has managed to 'out' an atheist congressman, some 127 years after the first openly atheist mp in britain. haha, bloody hell.
marcel
8th May 2007, 13:07
Having a constitution doesn't necessarily make any difference though, for a start it has to be a GOOD constitution.. I mean look at the US...huh? besides the gunmadness I think of the US constitution to be a quite good one.
what do you consider being not good there? or is that just your daily everythingsshit-post? ;)
marcel
8th May 2007, 13:10
besides that constitutions make imo a big difference btw.
they can make sure that fundamental laws like human rights can't be changed just out of pure activism. it usually should take time, power and a lot of people to convince to change a constitution.
but well, you just can't know that because you don't have one. lol
:)
Yer_Maw
8th May 2007, 13:16
it is kind of an old fashioned system, but i suppose thats what happens when your first to do something, while the rest of europe exists as a bunch of pricipalities and the holy roman empire. Its easy to do things better with hindsight, that why our rail system is so crap.
god im bored.
the only thing we have protecting us is the House of Lords, and their powers are limited these days, soon to be even more so
Jeniffer Mills
8th May 2007, 18:42
Tory, Labour......Whateva you want to call it ....Yer all ruled by the QUEEN! ;)
ckpqerjwrpwp
10th May 2007, 15:03
besides that constitutions make imo a big difference btw.
they can make sure that fundamental laws like human rights can't be changed just out of pure activism. it usually should take time, power and a lot of people to convince to change a constitution.
but well, you just can't know that because you don't have one. lol
Doesn't seem to stop people getting shat on in france.
JonnySpeed
10th May 2007, 16:24
Tory, Labour......Whateva you want to call it ....Yer all ruled by QUEEN! ;)
who else would you have as your leader?
http://overthetop.beloblog.com/archives/MUSIC%20FREDDIE%20MERCURY.JPG
Queen just look mardy. She not make law.
When I was driving down the A1 yesterday morning, I passed a 4x4 with a print of Freddie Mercury on the spare wheel on the back.
I thought it was him, but thought that it couldn't be, so got closer for another look, and yes, it was Freddie Mercury.
Man about in his 50s driving.
Fairly random.
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