Techno metal

[V Knid esq]

I've just been listening to a couple of really good bands that incorporate jungle and thrash/death metal - http://www.myspace.com/tedmaul666 and http://www.myspace.com/walkoff - plus there's that Enter Shikari band been in the charts who like, er, screamo and trance.

Anyway it got me thinking about metal/rock + techno/d&b crossovers... lots of people tried it but it never seemed to end up sounding like metal - just dance with metal samples on the whole... or else just like industrial.

Examples I can think of

KLF - What Time Is Love Techno Gate Mix (I know it's Hendrix, but it sounds like metal guitars) / What Time Is Love America

Alec Empire - Intelligence & Sacrifice album

Apollo 440 - Stop The Rock

Hoodlum Priest - Capital Of Pain

there's a d&b track, think it's Andy C, on one of those Ram mix CDs with thrash riffs and screaming

etc... anyone name any others that have actually worked? I don't really know much about Tool, they're sposed to fuse electronics and metal, right? I'm just looking for more stuff that actually manages to be both metal AND dance rather than one with elements of the other tacked on.

[big raff]

what about chris mccormack - erase techno ?

[FiST]

mindflayer. drummer fae lightning bolt with another guy doing electronic stuff over the top of it.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.view profile&friendid=39237070

[Loz]

I used to be really into Pitchshifter. Their early stuff was industrial, all guitars, shouting and drum machines, but as they got older, they combined techno and drum n bass into their sound, along with punk. I'd recommend checking out W.Y.S.I.W.Y.G., Please Sir, Genius, Un-united Kingdom.

They also did a brilliant cover of Kerosene by Big Black.

[bracket]

there's a d&b track, think it's Andy C, on one of those Ram mix CDs with thrash riffs and screaming



You are thinking of Nightbreed who had a track out on Ram Records called 'Pack of Wolves'.....bloody awful.

Andy C also made a track called 'Screamer' which samples Led Zeppelin if i'm not mistaken..

[fortycoats]

drumcorps stuff is good

[bracket]

Actually, Ed Rush & Optical now have a live band which is kind of a dnb/metal crossover. Sorta like a dnb supergroup with Ed Rush, Optical, Matrix and RymeTyme...

[V Knid esq]

You are thinking of Nightbreed who had a track out on Ram Records called 'Pack of Wolves'.....bloody awful.

Andy C also made a track called 'Screamer' which samples Led Zeppelin if i'm not mistaken..



Haha I can out-dork you here - it actually sampled the vocals from Goldbug's cover of 'Whole Lotta Love'.

I suppose Ministry came close... but again they're industrial more than techno.

[V Knid esq]

Actually, Ed Rush & Optical now have a live band which is kind of a dnb/metal crossover. Sorta like a dnb supergroup with Ed Rush, Optical, Matrix and RymeTyme...



Sounds fucking hellish. ER & O haven't made a good track in about 10 years.:(

[soulcheck]

Sounds fucking hellish. ER & O haven't made a good track in about 10 years.:(

Wasn't one of them deaf or sthg?

[V Knid esq]

Here's the Ted Maul demo - as it's a demo I reckon it's ok to share...

www.whistleposse.com/recordbox/Promo_2007.zip login - nice1 / pw - s0rted

Track 2 is the closest I think I've heard to real breakbeat metal - though their drummer doesn't play at all on that one. The whole thing's got a technoheads' sense of production tho - listen to the way the singer's voice comes in on Track 3.

[bracket]

Wasn't one of them deaf or sthg?

I think they both ended up with severe tinnitus after recording Wormhole.

Know what you mean knid - I really rated them but they have done nothing good for years....Optical was meant to be producing for a ska band called 'The Worms' which sounded promising but I could never actually find any more info about it (other than what i read in a copy of Knowledge magazine)..

[[sik]]

one of my favorite artists..she does a sort of breakcore deathmetal crossover thingy.
http://myspace.com/hecate

[big raff]

i don't mind a bit of metal. but the vocals tend to bug me after a while. why don't these bands save a bit of cash and get an old tramp/alkie mic'ed up instead?
or even a bit of young girl vocals, like annie for example.
just my 2p worth.:)

[emef]

i wish they'd use drum machines
or electronic drum kits at least
real drums sound shit on metal records imo

[shuttlecart]

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[V Knid esq]

Fuck yeah I forgot about MCM! They R0o0o0o0oL!

[[sik]]

whats that? awsome...what about
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[V Knid esq]

;407949']whats that? awsome...


Mad Capsule Markets from Japan... think they used to perform dressed as robots!

;407949']what about
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Aw man Big Black are the best - BUT they're not really techno... or metal... they're their own thing!

[[sik]]

mad capsule...slsk' right now.
cool

[emef]

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i like that
slsking too

[love_tempo]

i wish they'd use drum machines
or electronic drum kits at least
real drums sound shit on metal records imo

I heard a lot of them use triggered samples now but I know what you mean.

I tried and failed numerous times to record a kind of drone metal idea I had.

But I could never get it to sound the way I imagined it. I've given up for a while. . I'll try again and maybe someday :) Anyone know a good metal producer?

[mdk]

generally metal and 'dance' is shit. the first pitchshifter record is great because its got some good grind but after that they went shit. im yet to hear any combination metal and electronics that i think is really good, well anything past using a drum machine..and as far as that goes you just want mortician.

they use a drum machine

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[Yer_Maw]

the bass drums sound so shit because theyve detuned their guitars so much that they clash.

[V Knid esq]

I saw Napalm Death last week, their drums were perfectly in tune with their guitars.

And their current singer looks like

http://www.corrieblog.tv/images/roy_cropper.jpg

:illin:

[thembuzz]

i know atr are kind of covered by alec empire, but

ATR

[mdk]

lol

he does look like him now he has short hair. fucking great vocals though, definitely one of my top vocalists along with george corpsegrinder fisher and john tardy.

[V Knid esq]

Did you check out that Ted Maul link Mart? Like to know what you make of them? Like I say they actually apply techno dynamics to death/grind, I think.

[Loz]

isn't Ted Maul the reporter off Brass Eye?

[love_tempo]

wait a second, is knid trying to make up a genre that doesn't exist for an article? I've already bought the domain name ;)

[pille'ocheoni]

Phantomsmasher
Drumcorps
us - Eustachian
Fantomas
new Ladyscraper
Curse of the golden vampire
Baltonizer

theres are tons, i mean tons of electronic versions of metal, thrash, grind coming about now.

[Sheridan]

etc... anyone name any others that have actually worked? I don't really know much about Tool, they're sposed to fuse electronics and metal, right? I'm just looking for more stuff that actually manages to be both metal AND dance rather than one with elements of the other tacked on.

tool use electronics for more ambience and added layers.
they don't fuse styles of dance music with their music.

[mdk]

Did you check out that Ted Maul link Mart? Like to know what you make of them? Like I say they actually apply techno dynamics to death/grind, I think.


not yet...i'll check it out later and report back so you know what to think ;)

[Ladytron]

Knid, did you ever listen my metal mix. maybe you'll like it... at least you would like the first song which is from Mortician :-)

[big raff]

http://download.yousendit.com/A1DFB5D840A33EFF

this thread inspired me

[namshub]

the berzerker - the fastest and most brutal.

[V Knid esq]

Oh yeah that's true Berzerker is supoib.

[JonnySpeed]

I love Digital Hardcore

[love_tempo]

Ben Frost's - Theory of Machines had some grind metal type stuff mixed with electronics. It's pretty good but didn't really do much for me.

[pille'ocheoni]

oh yeah who can forget the berzerker. anybody see his auto-bio DVD? pretty interesting.

[mdk]

ted maul are quite good, their metal stuff is really good, the electronics is a bit weak..bad sounds..bad production (from the myspace stuff)

they remind me of cephalic carnage, not quite so fucked up..but similar vibe.

you should check em out joe. 'exploiting dysfunction' is great.

anyway, you know the best death-metal dance tune is on my spy 12" ;)

[JonnySpeed]

what about DAVE the Drummer and Geezer?
?
hahahaha