Photo ID for glastonbury tickets [Archive]

grobelaar

5th March 2007, 14:01

Yeah, I was out the other day, first time in ages and all the clubs in Portsmouth insist you have ID to get in.

When they wouldn't let us in, I started calling the bouncers a bunch of fucking fascists.

Then while we were waiting for a taxi, my mate was chatting idly with one of the bouncers and he was genuinely upset that I'd called him a fascist.

Well, sorry mate, but a key element of a fascist society is an ignorant populace - so if you're gonna go around enforcing this shit, then you're a fascist.

Any way no doubt loads things in this country will require you to have photo ID over the next few years - and lo and behold, when the National ID cards come out, people will be lapping the fuckers up...

Mugs!

Orang Utan

5th March 2007, 14:27

As long as it keeps the unwashed out....

JonnySpeed

5th March 2007, 15:03

I'm guessing this move is gonna sanitise Glastonbury even more. Suppose that makes weekends like BLOC much more important and a feature of the events calendar.

Its all about psytrance this season :)

Loz

5th March 2007, 16:54

Glastonbury has become a victim of its own success, really.

I'm sure Michael Eavis would like not to have a fence, and be able to charge people only a quid to get in still, if he could. Unfortunately due to its popularity, they need a big fence to stop it getting swamped by millions of people, and they need security to police the fence and festival.

I'll still go, because despite all the sanitisation and corporate influence (which I'm quite happy to ignore) I still have a great time when I go. When I stop having a great time and a laugh with all my mates, I'll stop going.

grobelaar

5th March 2007, 17:41

Hah, it wasn’t glasto, but last year I was watching some telly coverage of one of the big festivals and the security had built little watch towers out of scaffold – fuck me – talk about Stalag Fun – Spiele Macht Frei.

Pay to come to our festival, drink our sponsors beer, eat our sponsors food, shit in our sponsors bogs, peruse the sanctioned hippy bollocks to keep the vibe innit, listen to 99% total shit mediocre commercial dross, three days of fucking dull four piece bands who all think they’re at the vanguard of some great new musical movement, yet sound suspiciously like a crappy pub/student band that can’t quite shake off their all too obvious influences!

No, thanks – they should be paying people to come to that…

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th March 2007, 19:18

I'll still go, because despite all the sanitisation and corporate influence (which I'm quite happy to ignore)

ignore it, yet support it and make this kind of thing more likely.

Loz

5th March 2007, 19:29

I don't support any of the commercial stuff at glastonbury, really

I don't buy any drinks from any of the budweiser sponsored bars, I don't charge my phone in the orange phone charge place, and I don't shop at the greenpeace stall.

M H

5th March 2007, 19:54

fuck me – talk about Stalag Fun – Spiele Macht Frei.

Pay to come to our festival, drink our sponsors beer, eat our sponsors food, shit in our sponsors bogs, peruse the sanctioned hippy bollocks to keep the vibe innit, listen to 99% total shit mediocre commercial dross, three days of fucking dull four piece bands who all think they’re at the vanguard of some great new musical movement, yet sound suspiciously like a crappy pub/student band that can’t quite shake off their all too obvious influences!

so it should be "Kaufte macht frei" then maybe??

nempsey

5th March 2007, 20:23

should they stop glastonbury altogether then cos it's too successful? that sounds a bit stupid.

fookin hardline anti capitalists sitting there typing on your expensive macs.

the photo thing seems like a good way to stop all the ebay nonsense...can you think of another way?

penciLneck

5th March 2007, 20:39

fookin hardline anti capitalists sitting there typing on your expensive macs.?

lol

thepigjockey

5th March 2007, 20:41

If capitalism's so wrong, STOP BUYING FOOD!!!

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th March 2007, 21:42

It's not an issue with capitalism, it's an issue with civil liberties and what is acceptable as the 'norm'...

thepigjockey

5th March 2007, 22:02

It's protecting revenue (which includes stopping resale of tickets and ensuring that a licence is obtained). Yes, it has something to do with £££, but no it has nowt to do with civil liberties.... How the hell are my liberties going to suffer if I have my photo on a festival ticket?

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th March 2007, 22:25

It's just another step down the slippery slope of what personal information it's acceptable to demand... and it's in the context of Glastonbury ffs...

soulcheck

5th March 2007, 22:57

Id's are cool. You'll know it once you have it.

Loz

6th March 2007, 00:20

It's just another step down the slippery slope of what personal information it's acceptable to demand... and it's in the context of Glastonbury ffs...

it's not really the same, is it?

I already carry photo id on my person all the time - my driving license has my photo, name and address on, and I don't really object to that. If the National ID Card scheme was just that, I doubt many people would object to it, either. What I object to is the database behind it, the data collected, stored, without me being able to access it, and without knowledge of who else has access to it, and when they accessed it. I object to the biometric data on the card, because of the problems with biometric data, and the extra invasion of privacy.

The Glastonbury ticket system just wants your name, address and a photo, all data I'm not that bothered other people have (in fact, in my case, anyone could find out my name, address and what I look like quite easily on the internet if they bothered), and it is data that only has limited profiling use. I wonder how many people who object to id cards on principle have a Tesco club card, for example? (I don't, nor Nectar or any of the others)

And the festival organisers say the entire database will be destroyed after all the tickets are printed and sent off, unlike the governments id card database.

ckpqerjwrpwp

6th March 2007, 00:58

thepigjockey

6th March 2007, 04:11

UK ID cards = bad
picture on a festival ticket/other ID cards = so what

Loz

6th March 2007, 07:58

It's self-centred suspicion and distrust. It's easier not to trust people and just rely on technology so why bother trying to trust people anymore, they just let you down right?

Still, bigger is better I guess. Hedonism by any means necessary.

I'm not sure whether you're missing the point deliberately or not. Glastonbury couldn't get smaller now if it tried, simply too many people want to go. Yes, not everyone wants to go, but I still enjoy it, have a laugh, and even get to see some acts I really like as a bonus. I guess that is all about hedonism on some scale.

As for trusting people, the fact is that people do my concert tickets for the sole purpose of reselling them on ebay at a grossly inflated price. I've seen Glastonbury tickets sell for over £1000 on ebay, and you can't think that's a good thing, can you? If this stops people like that, yes it's a pain, and yes it would be better if it wasn't needed, but until it's made illegal to tout tickets for more than their face value (which is a new law I would fully support) I can't think of another way to stop it.

JonnySpeed

6th March 2007, 08:13

I want a barcode on me nob... that will stop them damn scallywags from over charging and nicking me tent.

Hand on the Plow

6th March 2007, 08:30

Glastonbury couldn't get smaller now if it tried

It obviously couldn't get better if it tried either.

£145 to feel truly free in the ring of steel patrolled by helicopters.

Loz

6th March 2007, 09:16

who said anything about feeling truly free? I don't think you could feel truly free at any organised event, there are always rules, and nearly always security/police to enforce them.

Like I said, it's just about having fun. If you need to be in an empty field with nobody telling you what to do to have fun, then that's what you have to do. I can still have fun within a organised festival like this, as most of the security are concentrated on keeping people out, and leave you alone once you're in, totally unlike the security at the Glade festival.

kams

6th March 2007, 09:18

i dont think people go to "feel free" these days though do they? They go to take drugs and get pissed and listen to Muse with 100,000 other types.

Loz

6th March 2007, 10:03

it's actually hard to describe what is so great about Glastonbury. Something about the atmosphere, you have to be there, I think. But it isn't for everyone.

decadnids

6th March 2007, 10:25

i am no fan of glastonbury, last time i went there it was full of total cunts. glad i didn't pay.

Loz

6th March 2007, 10:34

that's the positive side of the fence

hardly any cunts in glastonbury now, 99% of people are really nice and friendly

decadnids

6th March 2007, 10:38

Loz, i was helping someone with a tent in the green fields, it was when the fence was there. - still a sea of cunts. - but then i don't like big festivals - so that's probably why i didn't like it.

Loz

6th March 2007, 10:46

ah, I see

maybe I don't think people are cunts because I'm a cunt myself, and hence feel at home

although I tend to avoid the greenfields, as I'm not a hippy and actually the least spiritual person I know.

decadnids

6th March 2007, 11:12

i found the greenfield the best place out of the whole of the festival. - i am a cunt, but i am not a hippy cunt.

thepigjockey

6th March 2007, 11:26

I'm a hippy AND a cunt. There, I've said it and I feel better already.

Loz

6th March 2007, 12:31

admitting you have a problem is the first step on the road to recovery

grobelaar

6th March 2007, 13:06

Sea of Cunts!

Is that a band?

big raff

6th March 2007, 13:15

glastonbury=PISH

edit

6th March 2007, 13:42

Sea of Cunts!

Is that a band?

Nah, it's a film.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r114/3d1t/B00008CMRK.jpg

thomas hooked

6th March 2007, 13:51

generally i would say that having a good time is incompatible with being surrounded by the sort of people who would send off a passport photo months in advance and then wait by the interent for tickets to come up. no thanks

turning up on the day at butlins with a car full of booze, a dodgy press-pass and a friend with a chalet is a lot more fun

Loz

6th March 2007, 14:21

decadnids

6th March 2007, 14:30

but we like moaning loz, that's the whole point - i love moaning about stuff. it's brilliant, a good old moan sorts you right out!

you'll enjoy glastonbury, i am sure you will.

edit

6th March 2007, 14:30

to all the people who think it's shit - don't go

we could all moan about stuff we don't like, I could moan for hours about how I don't understand why anyone would want to see Robbie Williams in concert, but in fact, I find it easier just not to bother.

Well that's put a stop to a perficly good Gastonbury bitch thread... that's what this place is for init? having a winge. go on, have a winge about Robbie and what a cunt he is... You'll feel better after...

don___quixote

6th March 2007, 14:33

why don't we all talk about when Robbie played at Glastonbury???

edit

6th March 2007, 14:35

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/121654.stm

... Perhaps it's him that's missing....

Loz

6th March 2007, 14:44

why don't we all talk about when Robbie played at Glastonbury???
I'd much rather moan about Paul McCartney playing Glastonbury. Fucking bland stuck up cunt. Any talent he did have has long since washed away into dire pop ballad nightmare. And yet thousands of people went to see him. And not one person I know who did make the effort to see him thought he was good. Bland cunt.

There are plenty of shit acts that play Glastonbury, but there is usually plenty else going on so it doesn't matter.

Sorry for ruining everyone's moaning fun, don't know what I was thinking. I guess I just get tired of everyone on here every year saying how crap it is, so I end up having to defend myself for going, and having a great time about it, too.

And usually the people who moan have never been, or went years ago (decadnids accepted). I always enjoy myself there, I always have a laugh, some of my best stories come from there. I don't go in for all the hippy and fake-hippy stuff. I go their for a party. Camp out with my mates, take drugs, get drunk. Have a laugh, don't think about real life for a week, and maybe even watch some music I like.

I think the thing is, I reckon that most people who moan about it, would actually end up having a good old time if they came.

But don't let me stop you moaning and telling me it's shit soul-sucking corporate crapness.

edit

6th March 2007, 15:06

http://www.chanelamour.com/Chanel/Handbag.jpg

...but you're absoulty right about McCartney. And tbh I think it's not the-laugh-one-might-have at Glasto being contested here, merely the increasing-regulation-and-security-and-shite-music-wot-mirrors-our-very-society that is in question.

Patrick

6th March 2007, 15:10

did you go years ago, Loz ?

decadnids

6th March 2007, 15:19

Sorry for ruining everyone's moaning fun, don't know what I was thinking. I guess I just get tired of everyone on here every year saying how crap it is, so I end up having to defend myself for going, and having a great time about it, too.

why do you need to defend yourself, if you like it go, really you don't even need to defend it, if you don't like people slagging it off, don't reply to the posts and just go and enjoy the festival.

Loz

6th March 2007, 19:00

did you go years ago, Loz ?

I went the horrible year when about 20,000 people jumped the fence, and after that, always been with the superfence, and really liked the calmer atmosphere.

I'm only defending myself because I feel as if people are not just having a go at the festival, but the sort of people who go to it. But I don't see how having your picture on a ticket is an erosion of civil liberties. I have more information on my passport and driving licence.

ckpqerjwrpwp

6th March 2007, 19:48

right that's that sorted.

Next up:

http://www.pc-wallpapers.co.uk/wallpapers/Animals/aquatic/baby_seal_1024.jpg

Loz

6th March 2007, 19:49

www.pc-wallpapers.co.uk?

Patrick

7th March 2007, 10:09

I went the horrible year when about 20,000 people jumped the fence, and after that, always been with the superfence, and really liked the calmer atmosphere.

Fair enough. I don't think I know anybody who went regularly 'pre fence' who still goes now, and vice-versa, so it's difficult to get a clear and objective appraisal of how the festival is better or worse. People always seem to be comparing it to what they think the festival was/is like, without actually having any personal experience of what they are dismissing. That's why I was asking, I thought maybe you'd been years ago so might have been able to elaborate. I don't think the year you went with the 20,000 fence jumpers is in any way representative of the old festival. Nearly everyone seems agreed that it was an aberration and massive departure from what the festival had been like, so I don't think it's a useful year for comparison.

Looks shit on the telly, mind ;)

ckpqerjwrpwp

7th March 2007, 10:39

Julian Cope wrote an article on his website recently trying to persuade himself that Glastonbury was still good against all the odds, mean fiddler etc. Wasn't very convincing.

Patrick

7th March 2007, 10:51

I think my biggest problem with it these days, and I'm aware this is my own prejudice, is that I tend to instantly switch off and lose interest in anything that radio 1 get excited about. Especially if they send DJs like Edith arsehead Bowman, Colin fucking Murray, Scott cunting Mills & So Whiney to cover it. I just know it ain't for me.

JonnySpeed

7th March 2007, 10:58

burning man anyone?

thepigjockey

7th March 2007, 13:16

Julian Cope wrote an article on his website recently trying to persuade himself that Glastonbury was still good against all the odds, mean fiddler etc. Wasn't very convincing.

That site's wicked, but I missed that article. I guess it was one of the Druidion things. There's a good article on there about the Worker's Beer Company (staple of Glastonbury/alternative festivals)- pretty shocking how they don't care about workers, or beer :
http://www.headheritage.co.uk/uknow/features/index.php?id=76

thepigjockey

7th March 2007, 13:26

Fair enough. I don't think I know anybody who went regularly 'pre fence' who still goes now, and vice-versa, so it's difficult to get a clear and objective appraisal of how the festival is better or worse. People always seem to be comparing it to what they think the festival was/is like, without actually having any personal experience of what they are dismissing. That's why I was asking, I thought maybe you'd been years ago so might have been able to elaborate. I don't think the year you went with the 20,000 fence jumpers is in any way representative of the old festival. Nearly everyone seems agreed that it was an aberration and massive departure from what the festival had been like, so I don't think it's a useful year for comparison.

Looks shit on the telly, mind ;)

I've been both pre- and post- and I know that there isn't as much violence as there was previously (friend got fingernails removed with pliers, other acquaintance chased out by gunwielder). But it's not all positive changes.

edit

7th March 2007, 13:32

Julian Cope wrote an article on his website recently trying to persuade himself that Glastonbury was still good against all the odds, mean fiddler etc. Wasn't very convincing.

The mere fact that an american christian-right international outdoor advertising company now owns the largest stake (alongside Carling) in the UK entertainment industry is scary enough as it is, and certainly enough for me to boycot their events. Absolute bollocks to Glastonbury.

Loz

7th March 2007, 14:24

Looks shit on the telly, mind ;)

most things look shite on telly, though

I remember Orbital playing there a couple of years ago, everyone I know who saw it on telly thought it was a really crap gig, and yet everyone I know who was there thought it was great.

atmosphere never translates over telly

I know I don't have a good point of reference to the good old days - to be honest, I was too young to go when it was really good - but I think since they cleaned the festival up from 1998, it's been really nice and chilled out atmosphere, although I do have to say that that does seem to be slowly changing, the hippies are going, and the townie/booze crew seem to be taking their place, so I know I won't want to keep going forever.

Patrick

7th March 2007, 14:40

I remember Orbital playing there a couple of years ago, everyone I know who saw it on telly thought it was a really crap gig, and yet everyone I know who was there thought it was great.

atmosphere never translates over telly

But unfortunately Orbital's music does, so I think I'll continue to believe the "it was crap" version of events. They haven't done anything interesting since about '93. Student-bothering-mini-maglite-cellotaped-to-their-glasses twats. ;)

Loz

7th March 2007, 14:51

I was on a lot of mdma at the time, which may have helped, but the atmosphere in the crowd was fantastic

plus one of my best stories comes from that show

edit

7th March 2007, 15:01

But unfortunately Orbital's music does, so I think I'll continue to believe the "it was crap" version of events. They haven't done anything interesting since about '93. Student-bothering-mini-maglite-cellotaped-to-their-glasses twats. ;)

agreed, but for two exceptions: Girl With The Sun In Her Head & PETROL - both quite reminiscent of the old shit. otherwise: >'92 >= shameful wank

...but they were quite good live in '96 after enuff mdma...

thepigjockey

7th March 2007, 15:03

Before loz tells you all his Glastonbury story, can I quickly tell mine?

Thanks.

Walking through one of the 'main streets' when I saw a naked dude. Nothing unusual about that. BUT... he was wearing a gimp mask. And carrying a crate of beer on his shoulde. Yeah, big deal. So what? He had the word 'hot dog' painted on his chest, and an arrow pointing down. I looked down. Oh no. He'd skewered a slice of white bread on his cock. By the way, he was selling the beer, but weirdly enough no-one was buying, which was odd....

:( :( :(

Took a lot of drugs to wipe that sight out of my mind that weekend I tell you.