the americans are so blind..........

[Weishaupt]

http://www.germanystinks.com

[invisibleplanet]

i am already aware of the us eagle and the ss similarity

but....
it's not representative of the american people @bush or this site, as bush came to power by foul means.

and all the americans i have ever met, north or south have not been 'blind', they are just like u or i, or any iraqi...subject to their govts. machinations, and powerless to prevent the escalation of insane world events.

[invisibleplanet]

one of my favourite american sites is http://www.totse.com/
temple of the screaming electron :)

[Weishaupt]

than........they have to choice a new president.
basta!

[wheezer]

Originally posted by Weishaupt
than........they have to choice a new president.
basta!

I wouldn't mind somebody else in power in germany either, despite my agreement with germany's stance in the iraq conflict - but there are no better alternatives... a problem haunting many democracies, leading to people losing faith&interest in their government imho...

[invisibleplanet]

there is no true democracy without constant referendum to the people...on all details of law, and social policy.

so - we have oligarchy, and plutocracy, but no real democracy in the west.

maybe switzerland is close.

[Weishaupt]

tz...i prefer feudalism..........
:-)

[invisibleplanet]

even feudalism is an impossibilty in many parts of the world, because the rulers want the land for themselves.

[phil]

burn america burn.

[Weishaupt]

here a pic of my fav german women..................angela merkel. she is thge leader of the oppostition in germany and bushs new feetkisser..................

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
well at this point there is nothing i can do. bush is fucked and all are going to fell his rath. even us. economy, relations, treaties, trade. all will be fucked and we will all die in america.

before this we should go fishing.............

[pille'ocheoni]

and we will buddy, soon i will leave this country and become a refugee, maybe europe,maybe canada, soon we will go to the wald and fish for a bit, and see some great castles

[invisibleplanet]

what about the native north americans, who, after being herded into reservations, have local councils denying them the right to make permanent repairs upon their homes in an attempt to cause ruin and decay, and drive them from their given land?

fuck the economy.

[decadnids]

there is always anarchy.
and before people bleet on about lawlessness and all that, thats not what anarchy is about.

anarchy is about the absense of centralised governmental control.
its a system that has never been tried, and I doubt it ever will on the large scale, as the majority of humanity can't handle the idea of it.

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by pille'ocheoni
and we will buddy, soon i will leave this country and become a refugee, maybe europe,maybe canada, soon we will go to the wald and fish for a bit, and see some great castles

cool cool................i will show you my secret place in the forrest.............hihihi

[invisibleplanet]

anarchy a la Malreaux?

[wheezer]

Originally posted by Weishaupt

i will show you my secret place in the forrest.............hihihi

is that a threat or a promise? :)

[invisibleplanet]

there is a entire disused village in dorset we could squat, for any real self-rulers with a will!
:!

[Weishaupt]

@whezzer

both
:-)

[decadnids]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
there is a entire disused village in dorset we could squat, for any real self-rulers with a will!
:!

really, am up for that. where is it? are there people there?

[decadnids]

http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/

[decadnids]

Anarchy ie Kropotkin, Malatesta et al.

[invisibleplanet]

nope - no people at all - still disused since

http://www.thedorsetpage.com/locations/place/T210.htm

it's a crying shame at what has happened.
it's owned by the f-ing armee now, so there may be some serious implications in taking it over :!

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.bath.ac.uk/~lismd/dorset/churches/tyneham.html
http://www.accesslanguages.co.uk/pb2k/tyneham.html
http://www.accesslanguages.co.uk/pb2k/west_purbeck8.html
http://www.dorsetshire.com/old/tyneham1.html
http://www.fairmounthotel.co.uk/PURBECK/Tyneham.html
http://website.lineone.net/~thecartwrights/tyneham.htm
http://www.twinning.org.uk/tyneham_gallery.htm
http://www.twinning.org.uk/range_walks.htm

it's a shame, and an impossibility to squat here really :frown:

[decadnids]

yeah that is a shame, there are loads of abandoned villages in spain also.

do the army use it for manouvers? test street battles.

[piscaries]

most americans are not blind. there are many who are ignorant, and many who beleive whatever the government says. but the majority of us are against the war, but our voices are kept quiet. the media does not report what the people say, rather what the government and their corporate controllers wish to be said. the international war demonstrations got less news coverage than the nightly weather reports. the problem is that most americans don't get all the information. it is up to a small amount of people to really dig in and get the real information and try to distribute that to the rest of the population. this is a difficult procedure in these days because there is the fear of being considered a traitor or an "enemy combatant". our government will do what it wants as long as it knows it has the upper hand. for now they do, but i feel a swelling in the american people that is half fear and half anger. i feel within 5 years time the american government will not be what you know today. either the american government will become the oppressive big brother dictatorship that it has sold until now as evil and worked towards in the dark, or the people will rise up and make things right. i hope it's the latter. until then i pray (even though i'm not religious) that the world stays in balance and we do not kill ourselves off, and that the good people of the world will soon be able to live with peace of mind and international relationships will not be ones of aggression and distrust.

[pille'ocheoni]

word im with piscaries

[invisibleplanet]

yes, they still do use it. it was first used by the usa and uk armies. the pledge to return it to the villagers has not been realised, and the village was evacuated in 1943, with the war ending two years later, the entire village remains unoccupied to this day.
There have been numerous campaigns to restore Tyneham to the people, but to no avail.

this heart rending message was left on the church door.

"Please treat the Church and houses with care. We have given up our homes where many of us have lived for generations, to help win the war to keep men free. We shall return one day and thank you for treating the village kindly."

[decadnids]

Shit, cheers IP for bringing this to light, as this sort of thing gets my goat.

I am checking all the links out you posted, and it is fucking typical.
poor fuckers loosing their homes, and it goes totally un-noticed by the rest of the UK.

I will be telling more people about this for sure.

[invisibleplanet]

well put, piscaries

but u are not 'fucked' as u say.

it aint over til the fat lady sings.
war has not begun yet

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by decadnids
Shit, cheers IP for bringing this to light, as this sort of thing gets my goat.

I am checking all the links out you posted, and it is fucking typical.
poor fuckers loosing their homes, and it goes totally un-noticed by the rest of the UK.

I will be telling more people about this for sure.

kewl

it would make a good documentary, yes?
if u make any protests, be sure to tell me, and make it in school hols plz.
:)

[piscaries]

well i never really said we were "fucked" but we may be something close to it. but we will probably go to war tomorrow. if not then within 2 weeks. once that happens we may all be fucked.

[invisibleplanet]

no
there will be no war

why does the usa govt not spend it's money donating an electoral system to promote democratic selection of leader.

the fat lady won't sing whilst logic and reason are so fraudulently flaunted.

[piscaries]

we'll see what today brings. today is a bg day.

[decadnids]

@IP - it would make a really good documentary. definately.
protests, to be honest, dunno if that would do shit, but a documentary, would do a hell of a lot more.

I might try and get down there this summer, seeing as it aint too far from brighton, see for myself, and see what / if anything can be done. I am sure there are plenty of people who would be more than happy to talk about it.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by piscaries
we'll see what today brings. today is a bg day.

there will be no war today
planets do not want to play
we passed the point some time ago
when mars conjunct pluto

there will be no war today

[mr franks]

of course bush is going to war, with or without un backing, he dont give a shit, he talks like its already foregone conclusion.

[piscaries]

i hope the planets are stronger than bush, IP

[mr franks]

ip - do u really think bush will not go to war without UN backing? - i think he will, he dont care for the UN, he would rather see the end on NATO

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by piscaries
i hope the planets are stronger than bush, IP

well - the way it looks right now...

britain will dump usa like a hot brick,
and stand with the un to protect the resolution of the world against war

please don't be worried

britain is not going to ally itself with this mad act against the un.

[mr franks]

ip- i like the positive attitude

[pille'ocheoni]

yeah no shit..........like i said before, bush does not care about jack shit! he will break all ties and treaties with everyone to go through with this. we does not give a flying fuck........war will happen

[Yer_Maw]

what about saddam, isnt he bad too? i dont know though, he sounds like a really nice guy. your all right he should stay in power! keep saddam, youve convinced me. what a top guy!

:)

[bitch one]

my body is an autonomous self-governed zone.

unfortunately i use it mostly for testing chemical weapons

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by mr franks
ip - do u really think bush will not go to war without UN backing? - i think he will, he dont care for the UN, he would rather see the end on NATO

NATO is a bunch of old war-gamers in carpet slippers drinking port and lunching with the old boys 'what ho'! ha!

positive attitude it is not.
realistic it is.
away put your weapon.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Yer_Maw
what about saddam, isnt he bad too? i dont know though, he sounds like a really nice guy. your all right he should stay in power! keep saddam, youve convinced me. what a top guy!

:)

lets get bush

vote rigging
war criminal
terrorist supporter

what a good guy *fg* (frech grinsen)

[mr franks]

ip - i think it is more realistic to think that bush will go to war without UN backing, if you think bush will back down infront of the un i think you are mistaken. I dont want war, i have no weapon out to put away.

[invisibleplanet]

well, seeing as usa already ignored the un in keeping their terrorist training camp, the School of the Americas open, by closing it down for a short while, and reopening under a new name 'WHISC'. and seeing as the trainees of WHISC/SOA caused something like 43 out of the last 48 coups in South America, (these figures not entirely accurate-pulled from memory), and seeing as the USA causes destability of the South American economies...and seeing as they don't give a fucking shit....why do u think they would want to go to war against russia, china, and the rest of europe.


tell me why they want to go to war against all of us.
cos that will be what will happen.

[mr franks]

ip - i remember reading that USA big companies all pulled out of argentina before their economy fucked, well bad, and it was USA who suggested tagging the argitinian currency to the doller - well shifty.

I know america ignore UN, thats why they will invade no matter what. sorry but i dont get what u r saying about USA at war with europe, china etc, that will never happen, money, money, money.....

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0%2C1361%2C583254%2C00.html

""If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents," George Bush announced on the day he began bombing Afghanistan, "they have become outlaws and murderers themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril." I'm glad he said "any government", as there's one which, though it has yet to be identified as a sponsor of terrorism, requires his urgent attention.
For the past 55 years it has been running a terrorist training camp, whose victims massively outnumber the people killed by the attack on New York, the embassy bombings and the other atrocities laid, rightly or wrongly, at al-Qaida's door. The camp is called the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, or Whisc. It is based in Fort Benning, Georgia, and it is funded by Mr Bush's government.

Until January this year, Whisc was called the "School of the Americas", or SOA. Since 1946, SOA has trained more than 60,000 Latin American soldiers and policemen. Among its graduates are many of the continent's most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. As hundreds of pages of documentation compiled by the pressure group SOA Watch show, Latin America has been ripped apart by its alumni"

Campaign to Close School of
the Americas (http://www.spectrezine.org/war/HendrikFile.htm)

u americans - read this campaign - and join it. - please!

[phil]

bomb america

[piscaries]

it's nice to hear such optimism IP. my friends and i have nothing but fear and frustration right now. it's very refreshing to hear your side.

[invisibleplanet]

GORE VIDAL FOR PRESIDENT!

sorry :! couldn't help that...he is one of the most inspiring americans to speak out against this whole war on terror poppycock

[Yer_Maw]

its quite amusing to think that there is so much emphesis on post war iraq while theyre forgetting about their very own power. war or no war there is going to have to be a MAJOR change in the way the US and UK are governed. i dont think blair or bush will survive this. far too many people will see that they have no say and maybe then thay will be provoked into doing something about it. maybe even create a party they can vote for!

i feel a bit sorry for blair. i really do think he is doing this to try and make up for the mistakes of Neville Chamberlain. Oh and don't forget the french and german govenments are only anti-war to get the popular vote NOT because they are morally against it! IMHO

[invisibleplanet]

i think u are forgetting about the historical ties between iraq and france and germany here...

however, i think they are morally against the war, the germans more so than the french.

[mr franks]

ip - what are the historical ties with iraq and france, germany? i know that russia have a big money trade thing going on with iraq.

[invisibleplanet]

historical time line of iraq from global security.org (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/timeline.htm)

christianity in iraq (http://www.medjugorjeusa.org/Iraq.htm)
" Since the Turkish Empire joined with the German, Britain promised the Christians homeland if they joined with the allied effort against the Ottoman Empire. (Every body knows the promise of Lawrence of Arabia during the WW1) The horrors of the World War 1 forced scores to flee their homeland. Between 1915-1918, the Ottoman Turks massacred more than 50,000 Christians in Mesopotamia. Thousands died in Cholera epidemic of 1918.

The Assyrian Church of the east suffered the most. Half of their congregation, including, priest, bishops, men, women and children were murdered or died of diseases.

Since the Christians joined the British and the French during the war, the Moslems distrust the Christians and called them pro- west. When the war was over, the British double-crossed the Christians and they created the country of Iraq for Prince Faisel who wanted Syria, but the French wanted to control Syria. They divided again Syria (mainly Moslem) and Lebanon (mainly Christian)."

the iraqis (http://www.megastories.com/iraq/kamran/html/the_iraqis.html)
"One always remembers what the founder of modern Iraq King Faisal the First said - which he wrote in a letter actually - in which he said that there is no such thing as an Iraqi people. In Iraq we have different ethnic groups, tribes and so on but we still do not have a united or integrated Iraqi people."


i'm still working on the early 20th century german links.
the germans have the stargoddess gate in one of their musems.

[maudular]

war has not begun yet ?? I would say a kind of war has never stopped there...

ip, when you say there will be no war... well I suppose in our countries, European ones, it's gonna be difficult... but over there, thousands of people are probably gonna be killed... and the consequences of this pre-war in Irak are already quite alarming...

[piscaries]

true. from what i understand we drop at least one bomb a day or so over there

[Yer_Maw]

ip tried to send you a pm about something there, yer mailbox is full.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by decadnids
@IP - it would make a really good documentary. definately.
protests, to be honest, dunno if that would do shit, but a documentary, would do a hell of a lot more.

I might try and get down there this summer, seeing as it aint too far from brighton, see for myself, and see what , if anything can be done. I am sure there are plenty of people who would be more than happy to talk about it.

The village of Tyneham could be viewed as the UK's only remaining evidence of the effects of war upon our shores. Although it has been made ruinous by our own country's military efforts, it serves as a poignant yet forgotten reminder of war upon ordinary folk.

All around the planet, in many, many countries, villages have been made uninhabitable by bombs and unexploded munitions and people's displaced for generations, and culture crushed by multinationals.
i remember Srebenica, and Nato's big funk up. If the world wants to recognise Kurdish rights to their land, then my opinion is this should be the next port of discussion for the un, NOT whether iraq is free of arms. if the world recognises Kurdish rights to land, how does this affect the Palestinian Plight?

I don't know if there are abandoned towns/reservations like this in the USA? guys? can u provide some infos?

feel i should apologise for being so opinionated today.

[7875]

i heard from someone last night that the real reason all this shit is going down is not for oil or as some imaginary "fight" against terrorism but is because Iraq and other OPEC nations are considering changing over to the Euro dollar and would thus make the American dollar worthless except within America. does anyone have any leads on this??

[aleks]

i reckon that ain´t true cause the war on iraq has be planned long time ago even before the bloddy euro and wtc attack.

[DsD]

1. the war on iraq has some reasons... one of them is oil second one is that george (without w) bush couldn`t finish the war years ago . (my opinion!)
now the second thing that i want to say... "German: don`t buy it" sounds like "kaufe nicht bei juden" what means: "Jewish: don`t buy it". there is a lot of stuff that reminds me to the old nazi propaganda. germans are weasels <-> jewish are rats and so on...
thats pure hate propaganda as we have seen in our history books.
i don`t hate america and i don`t think all of the us people think like that... but i realy hate assholes like this cause they write bullshit.

[DsD]

äh and sorry for my bullshit but i am realy angry about stuff like that at the moment ;)

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by 7875
i heard from someone last night that the real reason all this shit is going down is not for oil or as some imaginary "fight" against terrorism but is because Iraq and other OPEC nations are considering changing over to the Euro dollar and would thus make the American dollar worthless except within America. does anyone have any leads on this??

yes - this is a true consideration, but as for being the 'real reason'...
there are so many agendas here....it seems to be impossible to determine which are valid, and which are 'red herrings'.

[aleks]

go and ask georgie boy president@whitehouse.gov