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invisibleplanet
7th March 2003, 09:56
to all members
from the 'post your art topic' comes a question "what is the average age of the members of the no-future board?"
if u will, give your age, and we can work it out!
mine is 36
Weishaupt
7th March 2003, 10:03
26
Lady E
7th March 2003, 10:04
28
Basic 2: The Revenge
7th March 2003, 10:15
26
wheezer
7th March 2003, 10:19
21
phil
7th March 2003, 10:20
26
arar
7th March 2003, 10:21
42
Atarythm
7th March 2003, 10:23
21
aleks
7th March 2003, 10:33
23
Tomoki
7th March 2003, 10:42
24
Django
7th March 2003, 10:56
i am 6 and i love my lfe ;)
tsr_tomas
7th March 2003, 11:22
22
bitch one
7th March 2003, 11:22
30
decadnids
7th March 2003, 11:22
27
tsr_tomas
7th March 2003, 11:22
i´m guessing the average is around 20-26.
tsr_tomas
7th March 2003, 11:28
@ip: are you trying to build a Rang at the board.
coz as you know. Emma is our mother and cristian our papa.
wheezer is cristian´s super intelligent brother and ip, you are married to him. pille and me are the evil vegan twin´s. weishaupt is Ip´s son that drinks all the jager all day long from hes jager waterfall in germany. ruben is married to daddys girl and have kaoz as there only son. then has a screw loose and married aleks.
ah you know.. we´re all family !
debord
7th March 2003, 11:29
I'm slap in the middle of that with a 23 - a good number - I don't really want to get to 24.
Obivious the early twenties is synonymous with being a web mong?
marcel
7th March 2003, 11:41
hey ip i wanted to start that thread as well!
im 23
karitek
7th March 2003, 11:54
24
maudular
7th March 2003, 11:58
26
Weishaupt
7th March 2003, 12:00
Originally posted by tsr_tomas
@ip: are you trying to build a Rang at the board.
coz as you know. Emma is our mother and cristian our papa.
wheezer is cristian´s super intelligent brother and ip, you are married to him. pille and me are the evil vegan twin´s. weishaupt is Ip´s son that drinks all the jager all day long from hes jager waterfall in germany. ruben is married to daddys girl and have kaoz as there only son. then has a screw loose and married aleks.
ah you know.. we´re all family !
jeaaa................hahahahaa h.........great tomas......
then im McDonalds Childrean Party Superviser on a Bad Shift
platinumray
7th March 2003, 12:05
25 years and counting
aleks
7th March 2003, 12:07
tomas, you should write scripts for soap operas... :)
invisibleplanet
7th March 2003, 12:23
get on with it! lol
penciLneck
7th March 2003, 12:27
28.
old skool
7th March 2003, 12:28
26
Feeling like I'm 50.
Looking good though ;-)
JE:5
7th March 2003, 12:29
I am 24 1/2. just to make the calculations a bit more difficult because that's the way I am.
barry2604
7th March 2003, 12:35
22
pejot
7th March 2003, 12:37
fuckin 30 years old and getting older all the time ;~]
tsr_tomas
7th March 2003, 13:08
cousin aleks:
ah may be i should write a script... hmmm.
but then you all will have big problems. coz then you will know all dark secrets about each other.
i´ll think about it for a while.
wheezer
7th March 2003, 13:10
a no-future soap opera does sound psychotic enough to suit this place lol
Lady E
7th March 2003, 13:22
knid did an no future opera at one point...
wheezer
7th March 2003, 13:23
is that still available somewhere? sounds entertaining
Weishaupt
7th March 2003, 13:40
Originally posted by emma
knid did an no future opera at one point...
a opera sounds cool....supported by herberts big band.........
hm...we should write a script for this.............
amble
7th March 2003, 13:40
23.
you're not selling informations like this to buy new computers, do you IP?
invisibleplanet
7th March 2003, 13:41
hehehe
no not at all
i'm just a curious cat
FiST
7th March 2003, 13:49
twenty five
pille'ocheoni
7th March 2003, 13:50
21
Hiro
7th March 2003, 13:54
I'm 26... (still living the neverending story)
thetonewrecker
7th March 2003, 13:57
...like sands through the hour glass, so are the Days of our Lives.
American television is crap, early mornings at work are crap, and oh crap, I'm 30 (but I still feel a frisky 18 years old, so I think it's quite good).
What does that equate to in dog years?
Yer_Maw
7th March 2003, 14:38
20
mr franks
7th March 2003, 14:40
29
mattp
7th March 2003, 14:40
32 on Sunday ....... bugger ..... next stop 40 .... doom gloom :)
Mirsha
7th March 2003, 14:41
23
dirtyho
7th March 2003, 15:54
27, 28 on Monday - so a long weekend ahead.
invisibleplanet
7th March 2003, 15:57
Happy Future Birthday, dirtyho :)
guillaume
7th March 2003, 15:57
29 and almost hitting the big 3
piscaries
7th March 2003, 16:03
21
igniop
7th March 2003, 16:11
24 and counting backwards
dirtyho
7th March 2003, 16:11
Cheers IP, have a drink for me ;)
deccard
7th March 2003, 16:42
28 but i feel like 28
Sheridan
7th March 2003, 16:44
I will be 24 in two months.
actually come to think of it, my b-day is either a day or two before or after emma's. funny how things work.
jess-ssej
7th March 2003, 16:48
24
schlongfingers
7th March 2003, 16:48
23
grobelaar
7th March 2003, 17:02
I'm 28, going on 12...
darnymarfy
7th March 2003, 17:39
i can't believe i'm nearly 20 - dropped out of uni this time last year nearly 19...19 is acceptable, 20 is not. i should havfew ha d my fucking ALDSbum released by now. i'm going to have to think up some victimless scheme to raise the money i need to turn my garage into a fucking live- in studio - no way can i get a job at the moment. a year wasted.
well anyway, 20 this month. feel 15.
23... and soon 24... stop the time!
jukka
7th March 2003, 18:20
25
zombie ritual
7th March 2003, 18:22
31
Ruben A
7th March 2003, 19:21
23 - as always.......
Will O The Wisp
7th March 2003, 19:28
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wheezer
7th March 2003, 21:06
is that binary will o the wisp? lol
is somebody actual gonna run up an average of these ages? i say it would be 28..
dammit IP & arar.. u spoiled it for the rest of us! you too are older than dirt!
others: and mentioning how old you feel doesnt count.
LEFTHANDLOU
7th March 2003, 23:45
28 for a few more months AND I"VE STILL NEVER BEEN TO THE ZOO.
marcel
8th March 2003, 00:22
Originally posted by Ruben A
23 - as always.......
yes, we are THE generation!
the 23ers...
'79 rules......
aleks
8th March 2003, 07:47
yeah 79 rules big time...
invisibleplanet
8th March 2003, 08:11
Originally posted by LEFTHANDLOU
28 for a few more months AND I"VE STILL NEVER BEEN TO THE ZOO.
well done
don't go to the zoo
they are among the most depressing and miserable places on earth in my opinion
aleks
8th March 2003, 08:25
well, not the australia zoo...which is run by the coolest aussie there is. steve irwin...the croc hunter :)
wheezer
8th March 2003, 08:31
Originally posted by invisibleplanet
well done
don't go to the zoo
they are among the most depressing and miserable places on earth in my opinion
I do not concur - I love <a href="http://roadsidegeorgia.com/site/atlantazoo.html">the Atlanta Zoo</a> for example, a classic story of one of those total dumps that got turned into a real nice place...
plus I love public aquariums, been to many, many public aquariums over the years
aside from that zoos are important contributors to breeding programs of various endangered species, such as pandas (not tomas kinds of pands lol )
arar
8th March 2003, 09:29
Dont worry about getting older you lot...42 aint so bad..I still have all my own teeth (Well I only have one gap), Ive got a techno baldy haircut, my girlfriends 12 years younger than me, Ive got a job, and I get to listen to the best music in the world......things could be worse...I got to see lots of great bands when i was younger....Joy Division, A certain ratio, Gang of Four, Clash (supported by suicide)..the Human League live in about 1980..er so I suppose I cant complain that much!
Will O The Wisp
8th March 2003, 09:34
Originally posted by wheezer
is that binary will o the wisp? lol
i'm too old to understand that binary code, here's something that i'm more familiar with: cuneiform writing ...
invisibleplanet
8th March 2003, 10:12
Originally posted by wheezer
I do not concur - I love <a href="http://roadsidegeorgia.com/site/atlantazoo.html">the Atlanta Zoo</a> for example, a classic story of one of those total dumps that got turned into a real nice place...
plus I love public aquariums, been to many, many public aquariums over the years
aside from that zoos are important contributors to breeding programs of various endangered species, such as pandas (not tomas kinds of pands lol )
sorry, but i'm still not convinced. what if it's some vain attempt by modern man feel as though he has some company in his urban slavery? what if th eit's the end of wild animals. my bad zoo experience was baad . don't like animal circus's either. i think these still exist in the uk, which irks me.
originally by Geroge Monbiot, published in the Guardian, 17th December 2002Planet of the Fakes
Wildlife programmes on television, David Attenborough’s among them, perpetuate the dangerous myth of wilderness.
There are two planet earths. One of them is the complex, morally challenging world in which we live, threatened by ecological collapse. The other is the one we see on the wildlife programmes. We love these programmes not only because they show us how curious the products of evolution are, but also because they remove us to a parallel planet, the Garden of Eden before the sixth day of creation, when God went and messed it up by making Man.
Natural history programmes lie more frequently than any other documentaries. They film animals in cages and pretend they have been filmed in the wild. They import tame predators, and release them to hunt wild prey. They cut between uneventful sequences to suggest that animals are interacting. Most of the soundtrack is added to the film in the studio: the noise of antlers clashing is likely to be the noise of technicians duelling with broomsticks.
All this technical trickery, while dishonest, is harmless enough. But there is a far more serious and dangerous lie, which informs almost every sequence the programmes show. Except for a few shots of animals doing amusing things in people's gardens, and, occasionally, an indigenous person, stripped of his t-shirt, wildlife programmes present the natural world as a pristine wilderness, unaffected by humanity.
Some of these falsehoods are brought to us by the most trusted man on television. Sir David Attenborough, is, as everyone knows, an excellent broadcaster, and he appears to be a sincere and decent man. He has never, as far as I am aware, told a lie on television. But, for much of the past 50 years, he has allowed the camera to lie on his behalf.
His programmes' invocation of a fantastic, untainted world is dangerous for two reasons. The first is that they suggest that ecosystems remain largely intact. Attenborough has made one, fine series about environmental destruction. But those programmes belonged to the world we inhabit, compartmentalised and far removed from the other world he shows us. Their message has been undermined by almost every wildlife documentary he has made. Last week, for example, he explained how the harvest mouse has made its home in cornfields; but omitted the obvious development of that idea: the species has, in the past 50 years, been devastated by agricultural change.
He shows us long, loving sequences of animals whose populations are collapsing, without a word about what is happening to them. Indeed, by seeking out those places, tiny as they may be, where the habitat is intact and the population is dense, the camera deliberately creates an impression of security and abundance. Attenborough cannot tell us that this is false, for if he did so his fantasy planet would collide with the one we inhabit, and his prelapsarian spell would be broken.
More dangerously still, many of his hundreds of millions of viewers believe in the world he creates, and when they go abroad they expect to find it. There is a massive and well-financed industry devoted to ensuring that they will not be disappointed.
The construction of wilderness has always been a key component of the colonial project. Almost everywhere that European settlers went, they either proclaimed the land they seized to be "terra nullius" or, by expelling its people, ensured that it became so. The land which many of the richest colonists sought was that which harboured great concentrations of game.
The Normans, for example, were obsessed by hunting, and many of them joined the invasion of 1066 simply to secure new reserves. Hugh le Gros Veneur ("the fat hunter"), seized vast tracts of Lancashire, which his descendants, the Grosvenors, or Dukes of Westminster, own to this day. William I established several "forests", or royal hunting estates, whose inhabitants he cleared. This is one of the reasons why both "forest" (a word which has come to mean a place where trees grow) and the habitats of big wild animals have taken their place in our mythology of wilderness. The great "wildernesses" of Scotland were established for the same purpose and by the same means 700 years later.
But these reserves were tiny by comparison to the wildernesses the British colonists made in East Africa. At first the land they seized was set aside for hunting, but as the game ran out, they began to preserve it for the camera rather than the gun. After the Second World War, Bernhard Grzimek, "the father of conservation" in East Africa, announced that he would turn the Serengeti in northern Tanzania into a vast national park. This land, which is possibly the longest-inhabited place on earth, was, he declared, a "primordial wilderness". Though there was no evidence that local people threatened the wildlife, Grzimek decided that "no men, not even native ones, should live inside its borders." His approach was gleefully embraced by the British. Thousands of square miles of savannah in Kenya and Tanzania were annexed, and its inhabitants expelled. Only the whites could afford the entrance fees to the reserves, so only they were permitted to enter the new, primordial wilderness.
This project was, from the beginning, assisted by wildlife films. Grzimek's documentary, Serengeti Shall Not Die, generated massive enthiusiasm for his ethnic cleansing programme. Joy Adamson, who was one of the most viciously racist and brutal characters ever to carve a career in Africa, used the status afforded by her books and the films they inspired to wage war on the indigenous people. She drove the eastern Samburu out of their best grazing lands to establish what she called a "conservation project" (in reality an attempt to rehabilitate her pet leopard). She described the Samburu as "squatters" and renamed the prominent features of the land she had stolen after her pets. When she was murdered in this artificial wilderness, the inquiry was delayed for months by a surfeit of suspects.
Today, conservation officials in Kenya often concede that traditional grazing could be permitted in the parks and reserves without driving out the wildlife. But the local people must continue to be excluded because the tourists "don't expect to see them there". The tourists don't expect to see them there largely because the television shows them that healthy wildlife habitats are places without people. By presenting the natural world as something apart from humanity, it creates the impression that conservation means exclusion. If those who seek to venture through the back of the television and into the world which Attenborough has made find that it is, in fact, very much like our own, with all the conflicts and difficulties which arise wherever human beings live, they will complain. So the primary task of conservationists in the former colonies is to convert the real world into the virtual one which the tourists have seen on TV.
David Attenborough has become, in two respects, godlike. He can, in the eyes of all who worship him, do no wrong. And he has created a world which did not exist before. He's a fine man, but for 50 years he has perpetuated one of humanity's most dangerous myths.
Will O The Wisp
8th March 2003, 10:53
well, the average age is
25,5
wheezer
8th March 2003, 12:19
hmm ip with that whole wildlife documentary text (how exactly is that connected with zoos btw, apples and oranges, no?) you make another great point for zoos imho.
a proper zoo (and I've been to many) not only sets up a natural as possible habitat for the animals, but it also informs the visitor of the status the animal has in the wild, i.e. if it is endangered, why this is so, important background information, etc. zoos can and should be considered as a way to teach people about the importance of various animals - and it is simply easier to relate to any animal if you've seen it, mere meters away than if you saw it on your television screen.
a lot of studies and research has gone into producing comfortable habitats for animals where they are not just there to be presented to visitors. this is also a reason why circuses should not feature animals, because that really is unnatural, but to throw the two in the same pot is false.
as for the whole man's company in urban slavery theory, we had a pets thread recently, didn't we? a different topic again.
I used to be an avid aquarist, and have always had a keen interest in biology - it really seems to me like you still have the image of zoos as they were decades ago - and lemme guess, that's when you had your bad zoo experience..?
carbonizedeyesockets
8th March 2003, 13:03
im 27 but when i stand on my tip toes i can be up to 29..
spencer
8th March 2003, 14:01
30
deccard
8th March 2003, 16:01
i work for gzrimeks picture archive and saw some old b/w shots of africans in the zoo on the wrong side (very early shots of frankfurts zoo).
but what about domestic animals?
personally i hate it to see if people have cats and live in little shitty appartments and that cat has never put a foot outside cause it could get lost or some crap......and these are more than zoo animals i guess.
kungfoo
8th March 2003, 16:07
23
wheezer
8th March 2003, 16:26
Originally posted by deccard
i work for gzrimeks picture archive and saw some old b/w shots of africans in the zoo on the wrong side (very early shots of frankfurts zoo).
but what about domestic animals?
personally i hate it to see if people have cats and live in little shitty appartments and that cat has never put a foot outside cause it could get lost or some crap......and these are more than zoo animals i guess.
ok again, these are things that lie in the past, in this case way in the past. isn't it possible for something to redeem itself?
it just sounds to me like both of you haven't been to zoos for like 10+ years
deccard
8th March 2003, 16:52
yup..+10 years....
a golden cage is still a cage :)
Marolo
8th March 2003, 17:04
23
wheezer
8th March 2003, 17:12
Originally posted by deccard
yup..+10 years....
a golden cage is still a cage :)
well unlike humans, animals do not generally operate on principle, deccard.
it is a known biological fact that there are a lot of animals that set themselves a territory of a certain size after reaching maturity and never leave the aforementioned area again, for their entire lifespan.
for a lot of endangered species, captive breeding programs with stable conditions are one of the last chances to still save the animals, cases in point:
http://www.bio.davidson.edu/people/vecase/SeniorColloquium/Fall01/escaravage/CaptiveBreeding.htm
http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/GiantPandas/
I'll give you and ip the fact that there are still black sheep out there, coincidentally the uk seems to fare particularly poorly - for this purpose strict nationwide standards should be set and controlled, but it's just totally wrong and unfair to take experiences from 10+ years ago and just assume they hold true for every zoo in the world.
there are certainly plenty of animals which are very difficult to keep in captivity, because they require more space or have other requirements that simply cannot be fulfilled in captivity, e.g. various large sharks (they require constant movement for their breathing process and are extremely sensitive to electric fields).
how is a child growing up in some 500000+ population city supposed to have any relation to nature, through tv commercials and documentaries? or is the solution for everybody to take at least one 2 week trip to some remote jungle at least once in their life?
btw I agree with you that cats and dogs should not be kept in appartments in the center of some city.
phaedrus
8th March 2003, 18:34
26
Magnumforce
8th March 2003, 19:45
41
jukka
8th March 2003, 19:50
hahaha.......you mean you look like 41 !!??
lol :-p
7875
8th March 2003, 20:01
27
feel like im 50 sometimes
oh 23 years old people are the majority. 23... hm. weishaupt u know that figure! ;)
marcel
9th March 2003, 14:17
Originally posted by DsD
oh 23 years old people are the majority. 23... hm. weishaupt u know that figure! ;)
hehehe, mystel mystel
$eye
10th March 2003, 19:03
26 nearly 27
SGT
10th March 2003, 21:02
i'm 25
mali
10th March 2003, 21:23
52,and what???
LEFTHANDLOU
10th March 2003, 21:34
WOW I got you guys started on a heated debate on this whole ZOO issue. Its funny because everytime I bring up the fact that I have never been to a Zoo, I encounter the same two sides to the story, typically I get the DON"T go to the ZOO thing, that they are sad and poorly kept and that the animals are sad ETc. then there is the others who contend that it is a important institution. Frankly I fall somewhere in the middle, that is I can understand how it can be depressing to go to a see and see animals outside of their natural enviroment, and with very limited freedom, but i also think that they are important in learning about and protecting animals. They are an important part of our animal research and vetrenary education. I think people need to see animals in order to apreciate them and in order to move away from the Whole dangerous beast misconseption.
I think I still would like to go, and afterwards I will comment again on this issue.
bionoid
10th March 2003, 21:57
ha-ha i'm in the very middle
25,5
year77
tsr_fredrik
10th March 2003, 22:09
21
namshub
11th March 2003, 21:29
32.
bobsfantasy
21st March 2003, 22:20
30
I agree with wheezer. My zoo experience(s) have been fairly recent, some local some not so local but still, captivity all the same.
I've watched DA for years and never once given it a thought until I saw the creatures I'd seen on the box - in a cage. I was awe struck. The sounds, smells and size of these things.
I like zoos. I think they are double edged but you're right, how else can we get some perspective?
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