mysticism,magick - the great old one....

[decadnids]

Out of interest how many of you on the board are into mysticism, magick, the occult etc?

[mr franks]

...as u know dec, i am not into the beast or his onions, although i have fucked aboot with the ouiji board, phil spectors girlfriend told me she left the oven on...

ps - get the shed built!!

[decadnids]

Originally posted by mr franks
...as u know dec, i am not into the beast or his onions, although i have fucked aboot with the ouiji board, phil spectors girlfriend told me she left the oven on...

ps - get the shed built!!

wasny talking about the beast, for he is only a drop in the ocean.

[mr franks]

Crowley and his onions!

[tsr_tomas]

if i say that i´ve ate tulips in a kitchen, screamed stranges words from a handbibel, had mixed Multivitamine Juice with vat-69 (horrible drink tip i most say), had a friend of mine freebazing some muschroom´s and we all sat in a room watching omen 1... i think all felt like party from time to time, but i bet there was someone watching us from above.

[decadnids]

interesting story tsr_tomas, and what did you learn?

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

People close to me were brought up with "witchcraft" to use a broader term. I personally don't give a feck as everyone has there beliefs, but I do believe everything is cause and effect and some people just set themselves up for some mental terror. It's deserved in these cases.

I wouldn't advise people to dabble as you never know do you. Trust me, I have seen people get themselves into all sorts of mental states and it ain't good for you. You need to be really assured of your own mind and it's capabilities, let's put it that way.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by Basic 2: The Revenge


I wouldn't advise people to dabble as you never know do you. Trust me, I have seen people get themselves into all sorts of mental states and it ain't good for you. You need to be really assured of your own mind and it's capabilities, let's put it that way.

good advice...

the history of mysticism (lets look at that as that doesn't suggest any form of "BLACK MAGICK") is interesting, going all the way back to ancient sumaria, and the ideologies of the ancient egyptians, to the phonecians, then on to the greeks.

with the continous problem in the middle east, i find it fascinating that the mystical parts of the three main religions of this area all have harmony in their systems, be that the mystical jewish QBL, the islamic sufism, or the christian mystics of old (take thomas aquinas)

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Originally posted by decadnids


with the continous problem in the middle east, i find it fascinating that the mystical parts of the three main religions of this area all have harmony in their systems, be that the mystical jewish QBL, the islamic sufism, or the christian mystics of old (take thomas aquinas)

Unfortunately human nature has superceded these beliefs and we are down to something more primeval in these instances!

[wheezer]

I was fascinated by the occult in my early teenage years...read a lot about all types of supernatural phenomena. then x-files came out and that kind of killed it for me lol

it's not something I consider particularly useful.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by Basic 2: The Revenge


Unfortunately human nature has superceded these beliefs and we are down to something more primeval in these instances!

not all of humanity, as there are a great number of people who still follow these belief systems,
granted that a lot of humanity have forgotten the knowledge that was once blessed to us.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by wheezer
I was fascinated by the occult in my early teenage years...read a lot about all types of supernatural phenomena. then x-files came out and that kind of killed it for me lol

it's not something I consider particularly useful.

fair enough

[tsr_tomas]

well, i´ve learn that the occult is scary. i´m all flower´s and joy. i like to dance on a green field and have all happy things around me.
i guess the tulips made me feel these wounder full things.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by tsr_tomas
well, i´ve learn that the occult is scary. i´m all flower´s and joy. i like to dance on a green field and have all happy things around me.
i guess the tulips made me feel these wounder full things.

fair enough - I dont find the occult too scary, i find, like everything, it is the people that cause the problems....

[tsr_tomas]

well... i don´t think it´s scary, SCARY, coz some occult things are of course intressting... like ritual´s. how do you come up with unideá to kill chiken´s and drink there blood ? and for what reason ?

cheers
tomas

[decadnids]

if you read the old testament, the people who worshiped Yahweh (the old testament GOD) used to use sacrificial animals. It is quite an obvious think to do. There is definately something strong in the act of killing another living entity.

animal sacrifices occur all over the world, in all sorts of belief systems, it is not something unique to the occult.

people still have their weekly sunday roast, which is a modern day equivalent, I believe, like turkey at christmas etc etc.

[carbonizedeyesockets]

yahweh or da hiway!

[namshub]

techno is the occult.

[bobsfantasy]

The 'occult' is a vast ocean of tubulance and fear. It can be the greatest passage of your life.
I've had great experiences some tradtionally devasting while others have just been wierd. Life's magick for me.

[bobsfantasy]

Originally posted by Basic 2: The Revenge
People close to me were brought up with "witchcraft" to use a broader term. I personally don't give a feck as everyone has there beliefs, but I do believe everything is cause and effect and some people just set themselves up for some mental terror. It's deserved in these cases.

I wouldn't advise people to dabble as you never know do you. Trust me, I have seen people get themselves into all sorts of mental states and it ain't good for you. You need to be really assured of your own mind and it's capabilities, let's put it that way.

Abosolutley. But you usually have to go through those mental tortures to delve into your mind.
Its all a game really.:-p

[$eye]

was crowley a gay?

[$eye]

does it matter?

[$eye]

phil's been to Sirius

[phil]

This is true i have been to Sirius, i met gary wilmots grandad. hes awight mate.

[grunder]

hey phil if you go back could i get garys autograph

[phil]

Grunder you gay brighton cunt fwack off

[grunder]

hey $ye good weekend?

[grunder]

phil when you go back to daddys house do you still share a bed with your mother....

[phil]

Yeah i share a bed with my mum and both brothers, shits real in the field nah' mean, we aint all born with a silver spoon in our mouths, used to sleep with john he wet the bed.

[grunder]

yeah fine in me pant playing wiv de ants

[phil]

i remember back in chelmsford years ago when u made that felt robin hood style hat with a feather in it. do u still have it?

[grunder]

i dont wana die........... i am only playing please dont kill me aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh

[phil]

R U BITING YOUR LIP SONNY SHIN SPLINTS??

[grunder]

have just shit my self thanks

[grunder]

have you got the biscut killer vid ......
that was so funny uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

[phil]

i dont wanna know you poo sniffing rusty sheriff badge.

[phil]

funny u shoyuld say that, nick is sending me it 2morrow!!!

then i will put it on the net

[grunder]

if he sorts it out!!!!

[phil]

no im paying the fed ex money!!! so its 100% will digitise it for saturday.

[grunder]

hey you want to get down here and play with tommys box
this week would be real good!

[phil]

what his mpc4000?

[grunder]

no the eventide he got his 4000

[grunder]

tho they are pritty fly

[phil]

o right, um yeah well thursday could be good, dunno bout the rigmarole of exporting shit out seperatly that could be a chore, what about doing the whole file?

[grunder]

well its up to you it would sound better.
could chuck it through any way

[phil]

if your bored

http://www.closetmystics.com/itm00036.htm
http://www.mmssoft.force9.co.uk/kkeys/kkeys98.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/uk/newsid_1976000/1976930.stm

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by $eye
was crowley a gay?

bi-sexual
or
hedging his bets
or
confused
or
libido controlled him

he was brought up in Plymouth Brethren...extremem sect of Christians who believed that sex was a sin...etc.(u all know the extrem Christian beliefs on sex)

so he rebelled against religion and formed his own
with Edward Gardner,together formed 'modern wicca'
wrote erotic prose
was a heroin addict
climbed everest
probably had a hand in helping the sixites to swing..
was quite a sad rebellious genius imo

[phil]

arther daily?

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by phil
if your bored

http://www.closetmystics.com/itm00036.htm
http://www.mmssoft.force9.co.uk/kkeys/kkeys98.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/uk/newsid_1976000/1976930.stm

i'm never bored
bored is having nothing to do

[phil]

yeah well u dont have a boring job then do you.

[dirtyho]

Crowley lived in the town I work in, full of cat-murdering weirdo's ;)

[invisibleplanet]

²dirtyho: do they make a Tourist Industry from his Life?

[$eye]

grundar is here....how's home life negroette?

[grunder]

shit brother shit

[grunder]

how yar bird
yu have a nice couple of days

[phil]

been palpating your brother?

[grunder]

craping on him

[invisibleplanet]

we apologise for the interruption in this topic on magick/mysticism and the old one.
we are experiencing continuity problems, and will resume abnormal service in another thread.
:illin:

[$eye]

why home life shit?
better than being where i am...languishing in agony having arisen at 6.45am travelled from croydon, werkin til 8pm...and then i gotta play fookin soccer like. It's a blow. Syringe shaped sweets eh? I like the sound of them...they should make some bong shaped ones aswell

[$eye]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
we apologise for the interruption in this topic on magick/mysticism and the old one.
we are experiencing continuity problems, and will resume abnormal service in another thread.
:illin:


that's the nature and beuaty of the types of do's....sorry tho...right now back to the talking about shitting one's self...so yeah it just went everywhere, the whole place smelled terrible and i had to hide away in shame

[$eye]

real bad grammar on that last one eh. Oh for touch typing skills. God and the next thing i knew there was poo everywhere it was dispicable. I was nearly sick.

[grunder]

now were talking

[dirtyho]

@IP not that I'm aware of

[phil]

poodle

[$eye]

there's nothing like a nice poodle to welcome you back when you get home...it's lovely fluffy hair all messy like dreads, it's delightful posture and pose, The way it holds it's legs up when you touch it. Oooh poodles.

[phil]

http://www.mosquitonet.com/~ghbga/grooming/poodle.jpg

[invisibleplanet]

bored?
fed of of talking worthless drivvel? (crap)
feelings of futility rolling over u?
feeling like the luck has passed u by?

then maybe u need to contact the spirits of lucky hoodoo!

http://www.techniciansofthesacred.com /

[decadnids]

Crowley is pretty interesting. it a shame that even today people see him as "the beast" (which his monther named him when he was 6 years old).

but not the be all and end all in the occult, def. a main player, but lets not forget

Eliphas levi,
Austin Osman Spare
SL MacGregor Mathers

the gnostics, the cathars, the knights templar.

[phil]

Dont forget victoria woods husband. the great suprendo

[bracket]

PiF pAf PooF!!

[Lady E]

ex - husband now, sadly

err can you chelmsford chat amongst yourselves in your own thread, nice as it is to see u. you know we like to keep it neat round here

[phil]

robotic flip flops

[decadnids]

Originally posted by emma
ex - husband now, sadly

err can you chelmsford chat amongst yourselves in your own thread, nice as it is to see u. you know we like to keep it neat round here

I been sticking to topic, its those other goons!.
;P

[Lady E]

decadnids - im very interested in gnosticism. i often feel like my life is a cosmic joke. i studied it a bit at university, kafka and blake are famous gnostics right? but if you know any good books on the subject then i would be interested to read them

im also fascinated by the templars / alchemists etc, really enjoyed Foucault's Pendulum, but as with most Eco books im always racing ahead for the plot and not getting allt he deep and meaningful.

finally, have you read "from an occult diary" by august strindberg? i love that book

[phil]

I think anyone who plays with Magick won't get in to Sirius when they die. they will be with all the adulterers, murderers and other nasty people. it's bad news. stay away.

[Lady E]

decadnids, i know.

[decadnids]

emma,

http://www.gnosis.org/
thats a great resource on gnosticism. really usful, month, years of information to be read!

my main interest really ,lies with the cathars, who took a lot of influence from the gnostics of old.
the cathars where a sect in mainly situated in the LangueDoc region of france, and north italy. They were the only "christian" sect that the "holy roman empire" decided to have a crusade against.

Eco, Foucault's Pendulum is a great book - if you like that you should read name of the rose, as that is equally interesting.

Blake, a major influence on me, always.

not read "occult diary" - sounds interesting.

[grunder]

decadnids are you coming round for a cuppa

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
I think anyone who plays with Magick won't get in to Sirius when they die. they will be with all the adulterers, murderers and other nasty people. it's bad news. stay away.

dont want to go to sirius anyway ;P

"Magick can be fun"

you a fundimental christian or summing?

[MUX]

I dabbled alot when i was 17 or 18.. but i have trouble speaking about all of it.
I was blinded by the materialism of it all, and still dont know to this day how half the things i saw could have happened, let alone be explained.

[grunder]

hey emm how your day going

[decadnids]

grunder :: yeah in half an hour or so, got to finish up some work.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by MUX
I dabbled alot when i was 17 or 18.. but i have trouble speaking about all of it.
I was blinded by the materialism of it all, and still dont know to this day how half the things i saw could have happened, let alone be explained.

dabbling in anything can be extremely dangerous. the mind is a powerful thing, and must be used with care and respect.

[invisibleplanet]

it's those hoodoo spirits...
they won't work for u unless u pay them!!

[MUX]

it just really temporarly fucked up my head. you lose logic to everything simple, and you try to over-understand everything.

I also do agree a bit that dabbling was the problem.
I guess if i dived in head first it would have made more sense at the time.

[Lady E]

grunder: pretty hungover thanks, jamie cris paddy paul ed and i got extremely pissed last night. i fell over and scraped both knees very badly.

decadnids: ive read the name of the rose, and loved it. couldnt get into "the island of the day before." from an occult diary is an account of an alchemists descent into madness.its definitely worth checking out.

[phil]

stay clear of it, its bad news. if it was something u needed it would be apparant. whats the deal with gnostic, sum it up for me? cant be bothered to find out on my own.

[decadnids]

emma, I havn't been able to get into "the island of the day before"...
another good book you should look out for is call the Annointed by Zev Ben Shimon Halevi, it is set in the 12 C. in Spain, and described the persecution of a Jewish Converso (a jew who converted to christianity), and his study group, loads of kabbalistic references etc.

[phil]

how does poodle dynamics relate to the occult?

[invisibleplanet]

we'll let u explain that one, phil ;)

[phil]

i dont see the interest in things like this. i read crowleys biography and just thought he was a wind up merchant.

[Lady E]

basically gnostics believe that the world was created by a demiurge, a kind of demonic creator, acting alone or possibly in collusion with God. the material world we live in is evil and tedious but there is another spiritual realm / world to which gnostics go when they die...they know whilst they are living that they are not of this earth and feel out of place on it...and believe there is another, better place, but cant be sure of that. gnostics are therefore beset with anxiety.
kafka's figuring of the world as full of impenetrable bureaucracy and random acts of disempowerment (the trial, before the law, metamorphosis) marks him out as a gnostic. gnostics also often have a sense of being out of time, like william blake who had no peers and whose work came out of nowhere really

its quite elitist really but i feel it adequately explains the feeling of total detachment from the world i sometimes feel

anyway my explanation is probably rubbish

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Crowley was nothing more than a man adept at manipulating those around him. Devious, clever, whatever....

[Lady E]

what are poodle dynamics, and where can i buy them?

[MUX]

oh now i remeber reading about all that stuff just forgot what it was called
interesting opinion...
i guess cant import books on subjects like that into malta even if i wanted to... there pretty tight about hat shit here.. were the most catholic country around i think

emma.. pity about yr kness :)

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by Basic 2: The Revenge
Crowley was nothing more than a man adept at manipulating those around him. Devious, clever, whatever....

blame the tools. all ritual magicians from Catholic Priests to Kali-sects use ritual to cause a change in the partakers or the environment.
ritual magic is the art of the manipulation of metaphor in the moment..

manipulation is not necessarily a BAD thing. or out of place.
a musician manipulates the emotive state of the hearer.


'drink from this cup, this is my blood'

[dirtyho]

Who do you reckon built the Hypogeum Mux, you been there? got any pics?

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by emma
anyway my explanation is probably rubbish

no, really superb explanation :!

[phil]

remember Wizbit? wizadora was a bender.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by phil
remember Wizbit? wizadora was bent.

apo pantos kako daemonos :illin:

[MUX]

i have no idea dirtyho
yes i have been there , how do know about it?

It's was burial chamber, a 'necropolis' or something like that and is around 6000 years ago..

If im correct, it features a room, were one could sit and talk, and it echoes around the chamber, probably used by a high priest to fake a 'god' attempt of some sort.

We also have the oldest two stone temples known to man.. which work as a seasons calender

im gonna try to find you some pics.. dont have any myself

Phil can you please stop using this thread for your silly shenanigans

[phil]

À minha mão esquerda Daemonos biscuits bourbones upan me bumma

[grunder]

yo phil i saw your mum last night.
on crufts she won!!!!

[grunder]

your quite big for a picanise......

do think that was magik.....

[dirtyho]

I read about it in a graham hancock book and was fascinated by the antiquity and megalithic apperance. He says most of the skeletons were removed and have disappeared originally there were thousands. He theorises they were built in the last ice age when Malta was still part of mainland europe along with sicily.

[grunder]

his theorys can kiss my ass.
finger prints to my bum hole..........

[dirtyho]

his theories are interesting but flawed, much like many archeological theories

[grunder]

arnt they mearly speculation?

[phil]

yeah, arnt they just like speculation man..i mean like totally no one like believes that.mann

[grunder]

yo phil
have you heard of the goat suckers from south america

[phil]

I used to live near Temple farm Industrial estate, on a side note.

[grunder]

the knights templars, although they had many strong holds in the Languedoc region, where not only from there.
as far as I am aware, the templars had no "king", as they were a cast of warrior munks to protect the pilgrims in the holy lands.

some people believe that they worshiped something called Baphomet, a bearded headed figure.

the templars refused to join in with the crusade that was against the Cathars.

[phil]

nice copy and paste grunder

[grunder]

word up

[phil]

Also The Templars, imprisoned and awaiting death in the Castle of Chinon composed a prayer to Our Lady acknowledging Bernard to be the founder of her religion. In addition to the numerous hymns and sermons he addressed to her, he wrote about 280 sermons on the theme of the Song of Songs, the epithalamion of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, whose versicle 'I am black, but I am beautiful, O ye daughters of Jerusalem' is the recurring refrain of the Black Virgin cult.

[grunder]

nice copy and paste phil

[phil]

i knew ..i knew it already urrrrrrrrrrrrr.

im a bender

[invisibleplanet]

the templars had with them a skull. this skull was said to be the skull of the meringovian king, Dagobert II, who was assasinated in 679. Dagobert was from a bloodline which spawned many of the 'Kings' of Europe in what we now historically call 'the Dark Ages'.

[grunder]

people have accused the Knights Templar of being benders.

their emblem was two knights riding on one horse....

[phil]

nice copy and paste Invisibleplanet

[phil]

my emblum is ted rogers fingers tapping davros bum hole

[grunder]

the skull stuff about the templars is more speculative, in my opinion.

depending on what sources, you can get a very different view of the templars. a lot of the documents that are in existance are from the inquisition, a lot of these, I feel, are false - the inquisition wanted to destroy the templars, and prolonged torture can make people say anything, or sign anything.

[phil]

you dont find signing for a giro that hard so Im dammed it i believe that.

[grunder]

prick

[invisibleplanet]

it wasn't - it was from memory
i've read the Holy Blood, and the Holy Grail., by Michael Baigent et al.

[phil]

yeah and my names Indiana Jones

[grunder]

Who Were The Knights Templar?


The Knights Templar were a monastic military order formed at the end of the First Crusade with the mandate of protecting Christian pilgrims on route to the Holy Land. Never before had a group of secular knights banded together and taken the monastic vows. In this sense they were the first of the Warrior Monks. The Templars fought along side King Richard I (Richard The Lion Hearted) and other Crusaders in the battles for the Holy Lands.

From humble beginnings of poverty when the order relied on alms from the traveling pilgrims, the Order would go on to have the backing of the Holy See and the collective European monarchies.

Within two centuries they had become powerful enough to defy all but the Papal throne. Feared as warriors, respected for their charity and sought out for their wealth, there is no doubt that the Templar knights were the key players of the monastic fighting Orders. Due to their vast wealth and surplus of materials the Templars essentially invented banking, as we know it. The church forbade the lending of money for interest, which they called usury. The Templars, being the clever sort they were, changed the manner in which loans were paid and were able to skirt the issue and finance even kings.

They were destroyed, perhaps because of this wealth or fear of their seemingly limitless powers. In either case, the Order met with a rather untimely demise at the hands of the Pope and the King of France in 1307 and by 1314, "The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon" ceased to exist, at least officially.

Although originally a small group of nine knights, they quickly gained fame largely due to the backing of Bernard of Clairvaux and his "In Praise of the New Knighthood". Bernard at that time was often called the Second Pope and was the chief spokesman of Christendom. He is also the one responsible for helping to draw up the Order's rules of conduct.

In European political circles, they became very powerful and influential. This was because they were immune from any authority save that of the Papal Throne. (Pope Innocent II exempted the Templars from all authority except the Pope.) After the crusades were over, the knights returned to their Chapters throughout Europe and became known as moneylenders to the monarchs. In the process many historians believe they invented the Banking System.

The secret meetings and rituals of the knights would eventually cause their downfall. The King of France, Philip the Fair used these rituals and meetings to his advantage to destroy the knights. The real reason for his crushing the Templars was that he felt threatened by their power and immunity. In 1307, Philip, who desperately needed funds, to support his war against England's Edward I made his move against the Knights Templar.

On October 13th, 1307, King Philip had all the Templars arrested on the grounds of heresy, since this was the only charge that would allow the seizing of their money and assets. The Templars were tortured and as a result, ridiculous confessions were given. These confessions included:


Trampling and spitting on the cross
Homosexuality and Sodomy
Worshipping of the Baphomet


Philip was successful in ridding the Templars of their power and wealth and urged all fellow Christian leaders to do the same thing. On March 19th, 1314 the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar, Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake. De Molay is said to have cursed King Philip and Pope Clement, as he burned, asking both men to join him within a year. Whether he actually uttered the curse or if it is simply an apocryphal tale; what remains as fact is that Clement died only one month later and Philip IV seven months after that.

[phil]

Hail yeah King Philip, u better recognise...

[grunder]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
it wasn't - it was from memory
i've read the Holy Blood, and the Holy Grail., by Michael Baigent et al.

their book is interesting, but I feel that you should, if you are interested, look into reading some books in the templars, that deal with "historical fact" (as far as history can be fact, its all subjective).
as I found The Holy Blood and Holy Grail too involved with "the mysteries" rather than hardcore quantified facts. :}

[invisibleplanet]

Loads of Templars escaped into Scotland :)

[Basic 2: The Revenge]

Simon became the saint

[grunder]

yeah thanks.....

[invisibleplanet]

we are talking of mysteries
please give the source of your enormous quote.
however, i find your summary that 'the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail' concentrates only on the Mysteries, is incorrect.
It's a book of three parts, Mystery, Secret Society, and Bloodline.

[grunder]

the was only one direct quote from http://www.templarhistory.com/who.html

the rest is from my own thoughts on the templars.

I didnt say I didnt enjoy the Holy Blood etc book, its just that I found the whole tone of the book more "popular" mystery stuff.

[MUX]

dirtyho: i will get you some pictures soon

Phil & Grunder : start yr own thread if u wanna dis everything typed by the other users.. yr own very little nonsense corner

[grunder]

but i wana play on the swings with the rest of the kids...

[MUX]

then dont play ruff phil

[dirtyho]

I read a mad book about jesus never really existing, and most of the stories in the new testament being derived from previously existing stories from the "mysteries" traditions (osiris, dionysis) then being co-opted by the roman state for social control purposes

[grunder]

look muf
i ant phil

[invisibleplanet]

well, i've always thought that the Romans realised that state control and taxes wasn't working in their occupied countries, and made a strategic withdrawal, before re-entering their old territories with the Christian Creed to tax and control once more.

good point, dirtyho!

[$eye]

BACK TO THE SUBJECT PLEEEAAASE PEOPLE....NOW WHERE WERE WE....
AH YES ...
POODLE DYNAMICS:

Poodle dynamics and other related toy dog topics can be very much linked to the subject of magick and mysticism. It is a little known fact that when a Poodle is purchased the Greek goddess Eris donates a pound and a quarter bottle of “Infamous Welsh Grouse” Irish whisky to a charity of the owner's choice. (except in the case of Alcoholics Anonymous and other alcohol abuse organisations where the whiskey is substituted for a ltd edition 666ml bottle of Kaliber non alcoholic beer - formerly advertised by Billy Connerly of Scotland) This generosity does not occur with any other breeds of dog as the ancient Goddess is clearly very keen to increase the quantity of Poodles by tagging on this kind incentive for prospective canine lovers…It is not known why she has such affection for this particular species but it is thought to have something to do with “the electric light found in a poodles eyes”. There are folk that will tell you that this information is a pack of lies spread about by members of the illuminati but by their own philosophies that state it is forbidden for them to believe anything that they read, it is as valid a theory as any other. However we can ascertain that it is approximately 230% – 250% truer than anything found on television or other forms of mass media. (especially ITV)

[grunder]

very good point $ye

[mr franks]

Originally posted by dirtyho
I read a mad book about jesus never really existing, and most of the stories in the new testament being derived from previously existing stories from the "mysteries" traditions (osiris, dionysis)

i am reading a book called 'out of egypt' which might be the same book, have not finished it yet but claims all the old testament stories to be egyptian

[grunder]

i think the 'standard' poodle although it was said that their "pert bottoms " had a special and mystical quality . they were funthoumentaly shit..

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by dirtyho
I read a mad book about jesus never really existing, and most of the stories in the new testament being derived from previously existing stories from the "mysteries" traditions (osiris, dionysis) then being co-opted by the roman state for social control purposes

I read this book called 'Jesus in India - Jesus' escape from death on the crioss and journey to India' by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. I have it here...written originally in Urdu, it alleges he made his escape from death on the cross to India, in search of the lost tribes of Israel. Christian, as well as Muslim scriptures, and old medical and historical books including ancient Buddhist records, provide evidence about this journey. jesus is shown to have reached Afghanistan, and to have met the Jews who had settled there after deliverance from the bondage of Nebudchadnezzar. From Afghanistan, Jesus went on to Kashmir, where other Israelite tribes had settled. There he made his home, and there in time, he died; his tomb has been found in Srinagar.

[Weishaupt]

i saw jesus...and talk with him...very kind guy......................

later i saw god.......................real ly!!!....no kidding

[$eye]

grunder you puttin the tea on?

[grunder]

wegot some spen going up the shops so there will be food

[dirtyho]

@IP - my mum has read that book, I haven't yet, is it good? I think the book I was talking about was called the Jesus Mysteries

[Marolo]

someone put a curse on me about three years ago, do you think I should send it back?
curse go back
curse go back
curse go back

[invisibleplanet]

i reckon spells work..
it's like a mantra, innit?

is anyone familiar with meme theory?

[Weishaupt]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
is anyone familiar with meme theory?

jup

[wheezer]

ip have you checked my www link?

[invisibleplanet]

i have checked it now, wheezer....your weblog is called memepool!!
what do u know? :)

[wheezer]

well it's not my weblog, I'm just one of the people contributing to the site off and on... haven't been too active recently though

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by decadnids
Out of interest how many of you on the board are into mysticism, magick, the occult etc?

ok ok - i admit i am interested...but i guess u already guessed that.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet


ok ok - i admit i am interested...but i guess u already guessed that.

yeah i kinda guessed that ;}

[invisibleplanet]

lil present (http://www.invisibleplanet.pwp.blueyo nder.co.uk/thelema/english_qabalah_calcuator.htm)

would u like my qabalah database to go with that? oo suits u, sir ;)

[invisibleplanet]

actually, i wondered if u knew where to find an online copy of the original text with the grid on it from (al.3.39?)- the calculator looks sparse without the key attached.

[decadnids]

cheere IP -
check this link
http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/beatnik/magick.htm
loads of great resources kindly done by Ken Downie (the black dog).

[invisibleplanet]

what did i do wrong? the calculator seems to be adding the spaces!!
at a value of 25?!

[phil]

whats the deal with Aliester Crowley giving away a big mason secret in book of lies. Does anyone know which chapter this is???

[decadnids]

yeah right, I'll take a look see whats going on.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
whats the deal with Aliester Crowley giving away a big mason secret in book of lies. Does anyone know which chapter this is???

one of the "big secrets" was the fact that when he was initiated into the hermetic order of the golden dawn, one of the "secrets" are the 22 characters of the hebrew alphabet. obviously this is no big secret.

[phil]

tell me the masons big secret.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by decadnids
cheere IP -
check this link
http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/beatnik/magick.htm
loads of great resources kindly done by Ken Downie (the black dog).

thanks for this!
but they EQ key needs to be updated to reflect the found key.
if u look at the text, it's undeniably 11. i guess it's cool to email Ken about this?? must praise the site and power tools also!

[decadnids]

IP on the link I posted, check out the gematria section that ken did, its pretty fine, got greek roman and hebrew alphabets, the code might solve your problem with the spaces.

[phil]

graham u fancy ip.

[invisibleplanet]

if u look at the early letters: a=1, L=2 (similar), 3=w(looks like a w on it's side, non?) 4=h (surprising similar shape once again) S=5 (weird how this is happening eh?) d=6(near enough methinks)

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
graham u fancy ip.
phil, is that the best you can do :}

[decadnids]

yo IP in your script you could try adding in the a statement that gives a 0 value to a SPACE. that should work.

[phil]

u want to stroke the horse in the field with her like in her story. then go back to the camp fire. and trance out with poi.

[decadnids]

"I don't do the horse."

[invisibleplanet]

poi?

cheers decadnids :8x

[decadnids]

poi - trance tastic balls on end of string for doing fancy swinging around tricks.. aint that right phil. I hear you are Chelmsfords Summer Poi Champion 3 years running.

[grunder]

thats right phil is well good poi he also doesreal good fire juggling.
nice one

[decadnids]

I once tried to juggle fire, but realised it was a little dangerous, Phil is a brave man - must have asbestos hands or something.

[phil]

aaaaaaaa...ummmm..no . i dont. arrrrr.

how was mike P grunder?

[invisibleplanet]

ah ok - sounds fun.
what about enochian?

[decadnids]

enochian, is a whole other kettle of fish, not delved into enochian too much, a friend of mine is big into it.
listen to some coil, john balance sings in enochian, it is very wonderful.

[invisibleplanet]

i will!
WOW!
where? how?

[decadnids]

http://brainwashed.com/coil/
here is their web-site.

[invisibleplanet]

blooming heck - a jarman film i missed seeing!
THE ANGELIC CONVERSATION (http://brainwashed.com/coil/main.html)

coil is a complete new experience to me, thanks d.

[decadnids]

Coil have been about for ages, the main two dudes where part of psychic tv, and throbbing gristle. their music can be nice, and it can be nasty.

[decadnids]

musick to play in the dark vol 2
batwings this track by coil has enochian in it..

[invisibleplanet]

indeed - i am familiar with those two names, and that explains perfectly their mystical weirdness
...

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by decadnids
musick to play in the dark vol 2
batwings this track by coil has enochian in it..

i'll soulseek later on..

[decadnids]

yes do so - you on soulseek then.. yeah its on there, go get it is great.

[invisibleplanet]

do u think we could explain magic as being the manipulation of metaphor in the moment?

[phil]

I can explain magic in three words. piff paff pouf.

[decadnids]

IP - I dunno if I could explain magick , I generally use the "ability to change consciousness at will"
and leave it to others to take what ever meaning they want from that.

[decadnids]

Originally posted by phil
I can explain magic in three words. piff paff pouf.
the great suprendo - if I am not mistaken.

[phil]

word up.