Rock/Metal Revival

[grobelaar]

Never was a big rock/metal fan, but since getting into techno have discovered a bit of taste for it. As such what do you lot think makes a good rock/metal band or have any favourites. I think its because I only get exposed to a lot of commercial stuff and wonder if anyone on the board had any faves or recommendations?

Despite this being the era of the superstar DJ, but I still don’t think that comes anywhere near the glamour and the kudos of being a motha-fuckin’ coke snortin’, hotel room wreckin’, keg drinkin’ fuckin’ rock star… I wouldn’t mind being a band; I reckon it would be loads of fun… (don’t play anything thou…)

[phil]

yo could play the lip ring.

[grobelaar]

Its actually fake - like the one that Posh Spice/Vicky Beckham had at that concert...

[phil]

Right, then you could play it with the clip-on dred lock it would make a nothing sound which would be nice.

[grobelaar]

I guess there aren't many rockers on the no-future board then?

[dirtyho]

I still listen to my skate punk records for that adrenaline rush. I thinks it's kind of similar to some hard techno in that it makes you feel like shouting and banging your head on a wall. Black Flag, Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Misfits they rock!

[aleks]

old iron maiden,old slayer and old metallica stuff rocks...

[Lady E]

there are loads of people into alternative rock, hardcore, metal etc on this board. including cristian and i.

some personal faves:
minor threat, skag happy, bad brains, jon spencer blues explosion, melt banana, mr bungle, ooioo, the boredoms, janes addiction, rites of spring, dag nasty, slint, nirvana, mudhoney, dinosaur jr, sebadoh, big black, shellac, pixies, fugazi, husker du, babes in toyland, the flying luttenbachers, QOTSA, the replacements, and you will know us by the trail of dead, the stupids, all, descendents, hard-ons, the fall, led zeppelin, millionaire, jesus lizard, sonic youth..


some of those bands are more indie than rock,there;s no industrial in there apart from big black as i am not a huge fan these days. i used to think i liked it more than i actually did.

there are hundreds more, i really love this music, and a lot of it is very linked to electronic music and really innovative production - and of course some is just pure RAWK and very adrenaline influenced

[dirtyho]

i went to see trail of dead in b'ton with my mate JC a few moths ago. first gig i've been to like that since i was about 17-18. it was pretty cool although i did get hit in the face. i forgot that dancing at those things is more akin to fighting!

[Marolo]

There's been a quite a few rock threads here already, but here are some of my favourites:
Butthole surfers - brown reason to live
Can - soon over babaluma
Crass - penis envy or chirst the album
The Pop group - y.
Big Black - songs about fucking
Faust, the cramps, Godflesh, Nick Cave and birthday party, Shellac,anything by the boredoms (weird japanese punk), Chrome, Pussy Galore, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, scratch acid, and check a psychedelic Brazilian rock band from the 70's called Mutantes for very weird, funny rock. If you want I can make you copies of any of this.
Most of these are old punk bands. I don't really listen to any of the new stuff
Did you go to uglyfunk on saturday?

[tsr_tomas]

what can i say.
judas preist - break in the law.
i have sang that song so many time´s at karaoke that i don´t have to say anything to the Karaoke people. they scream for me in the mic when i´m drunk enough anyway !

[deccard]

these days i don´t listen to much metal/rock. used to be a headbanger but than techno came.
still listen sometimes to: nine inch nails, old korn stuff, led zep, system of a down

[tsr_tomas]

i was at a Manowar concert in december2002... it was heavy. been drunk for 4 stright day. came back to stockholm went right to the concert and got drunk all over again.
it was nice.

[MUX]

Yeha im a total metalhead too.

new: Mudvayne,audioslave,murderdoll s,systemofadown,
old : sepultura, fear factory, soulfly, pantera, placebo , nirvana , metallica (pre-mp3 status)
really old: Led zep & hendrix

as, i mentioned in a recent post i look for a driving power in the metal i like...

[deccard]

*moron child voice* grandfather. please tell me a story...

[MUX]

ok. how about a Gene Simmons groupie story?

[Lady E]

oh yeah i forgot about dead kennedies and all that, lard and no means no etc, all the alternative tentacles bands

ok these are some labels to check out off the top of my head:

alternative tentacles
touch and go
thrill jockey
city slang
sub pop
domino
4AD
blast first
blanco y negro

rough trade / mute have a good rock and roll comp with loads of great garage stuff on thats recently been released

i would like to get a good list of some essential guitar albums to own together to post, but it needs a bit of time and research i feel and would be purely subjective. one thing - it would not be having ANY nu-metal on it!!!

[phil]

don't forget ice cube the nigga ya love to hate

[amble]

i'm realizing that i'm listening to a lot of old rock stuff right now like can, neu!, the who, doors and all that stuff. keep these minds expanded!

but there's a lot of cool new stuff too (that has been mentioned already). yesterday evening i heard the 'audioslave'-album at a friend of mine and quite liked it.

i remember a few years ago, when there were still good videos on our music-channels, i saw a few metal videos that blew me away. very fast and hard and almost with a free jazz approach. can't remember any names though so if anyone can recommend some of these that'd be cool. zombie maybe?

[Lady E]

mr bungle are a bit like that...the first album anyway which was produced by john zorn..."disco volante" has the jazz vibe and is very tight but its not as metal as the first one. that's not a bad thing though.

i didnt know ice cube did rock but i bet some of you liked ice t's band bodycount...god they were rubbish, one of the track titles i remember from the first album was "if you are from mars and you have a pussy, we will fuck you".

i saw them live a few times but i cant say i was impressed.

disposable heroes of hiphoprisy were a cool rock/hiphop band, they were amazing live...

anyone remember marxist rock/ hip hop band Consolidated? there was a lot of that about in the early nineties actually, Marxman as well...all pretty shoddy though. Consolidated did one track about oral sex with The Yeastie Girls called 'You Suck' which is actually pretty good..or maybe i was just a teenager.

another awesome band that dirtyho mentioned is bad brains - the first album "rock for light" is really worth buying. its a dub / US hardcore crossover, and is fucking noisy.

[dirtyho]

I saw consolidated, their live show rocked - but it was really vegan/anti-capitalist/right-on, not a bad thing per se but I found them a little preachy - but the music was cool. I also saw bad brains live at the astoria, wow one of the best gigs i've ever been to. 6 ft rastafarians stage diving like nutters and a reggae tune "coptic times" dropped in the middle of the most full on hardcore punk set imaginable - wonderful!

[MUX]

ps. known audio fact :
audioslave=rage against the machine without Zach + chris cornell from soundgarden

emma: i confirmed that the electric six track has jack white on vocals. shocking a bit eh?

[dirtyho]

I think the guy from consolidated has gone on to do disposable heroes of hiphoprisy - michael something or other?

[wheezer]

bad brains is the shiznit, gotta dig that stuff up again...

thanks to some friends really being active in the nordic metal circuit, I've come across some pretty damn hard metal... for instance meshuggha out of norway - they should seriously hook up with kid 606 for a proper noise session!

[deccard]

Originally posted by MUX
ok. how about a Gene Simmons groupie story?

yeah tell us some cool stories from your groupie past :)

[Lady E]

the guitarist from RATM really rules - what's his name? tom morello?

michael franti is from disposable heroes, he was in Beatnigs before and now is Spearhead. i dont think he did anything with consolidated - but they were all very political so maybe they played together or something

yes mux i saw that electric six / jack white stripe thing. i like the white stripes and i think they have integrity but its become rock for people who dont know anything about rock. it got picked up by all the shit electroclash / wannabe types. norman cook played hotel yorba at a skint party i recently went to. i think that says it all really...and probably explains the electric six collaboration.

[Lady E]

the guitarist from RATM really rules - what's his name? tom morello?

michael franti is from disposable heroes, he was in Beatnigs before and now is Spearhead. i dont think he did anything with consolidated - but they were all very political so maybe they played together or something

yes mux i saw that electric six / jack white stripe thing. i like the white stripes and i think they have integrity but its become rock for people who dont know anything about rock. it got picked up by all the shit electroclash / wannabe types. norman cook played hotel yorba at a skint party i recently went to. i think that says it all really...and probably explains the electric six collaboration.

[MUX]

OOOOO! double post!
u aint gonna pass me in top20 posters with moves like that emma!
hehe
about 'hotel yorba' hmmm... what can i say? norman should be killed. ( what were u doing at a skint party? wasnt loaded a skint sublabal emma? )

about white stripes, i think your totally right..i have theyre glastonbury perforance somwhere on my home pc if u wanna see it, maybe ill put it on the ftp

[tsr_tomas]

how about. WASP, alice cooper and white zombie ?
hehe... halloween and misfits. yeah !

[MUX]

white zombie do a great cover of 'children of the grave'
the rest i heard is average

[Sheridan]

good ol rock and roll.
just a little bit o info. the band great white (cock rock band from the 80's who sang 'once bitten, twice shy) was playing at a rock club late last week in rhode island and their pyrotechnics set the club on fire. about 86 people died. it was all over the news here over the weekend.
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but as for this topic. here are some of my favs:
old: sabbath, slayer, pantera, sepultura, helmet, ministry, metallica.
new: system of a down, cephalic carnage, candiria (spell check), deftones.

I'm sure there are others, but I can't think of them all.

[tsr_tomas]

oooh, just found out that Twisted sisters will play in sweden this summer.... "we´re not gonna take this. no we ain´t gonna take it" yeah !

[tsr_tomas]

http://koti.mbnet.fi/cityporo/Sekalaista/laulaja.jpg

[Lady E]

yes that great white thing was all over our news too, what a terrible thing to happen

[Andreas]

were is primus on this thread? my fucking favouirte, no one beats primus... also janes addiction and their porno for pyros, napalm death, pantera, sepultura, dinosaur jr , suicidal tendencies, and last but not least: misfits, saw them some month ago, with black flag guitarist and ramones drummer, 3x1: you dont get that everyday, i think they are currently on tour, dont miss it out...

[dirtyho]

@andreas - wooah are they coming to the UK, I'd fucking love to go to that - which black flag guitarist greg ginn?
SST is a label not mentioned here - there's some wicked stuff on SST I think early Dino Jr stuff is on SST as is Black Flag, Minutemen, I could go on and on.

[Sheridan]

I forgot about napalm death. wicked stuff.
as for dino jr. their stuff was really good.
I saw j. mascus (front man for dino jr) the other weekend on tour with his new band. j. mascus and the fog.
it was one of the best rock shows I have seen in a while. if they come to your town I highly suggest checking them out. as there songs are really good, and you will also hear a couple of old dino tracks as well.

[carbonizedeyesockets]

i just played live in manchester and our cover of 'africa' by toto took the fuckin roof off.. word...
im currently rockin these: Darkthrone'under a funeral moon'/ Praxis'sacrafist'/ Tomahawk(M. Pattons latest)/ Melvins'hostile ambient takeover'/ Leatherface'Mush'/ Stupids'retard picnic'& 'violent nun7"/ any SNFU/Avengers/Neos/Circle Jerks/BigBoys/ old skatepunk and fucking MOGWAI..
Hey emma/dirtyho did any of youse see fugazi in brighton?Ouch.
Look out for ultra depressed us rawk group ISIS at th concorde in march sometime..

[carbonizedeyesockets]

BOLT THROWER!

[JE:5]

I recently dug out my copy of "suck on this" by Primus, it is getting played quite a lot recently.
As is Crass - Christ the album and Dead Kennedys - fresh fruit for rotting vegetables.

[jess-ssej]

*sings* too many puppies...are being shot in the dark...

Primus, ministry, skinny puppy (esp. remission), front 242, chemlab, helmet...megadeth (hehe), butthole surfers, the cult, pigface, dead kennedys, and dont forget: tool

jeaaaa

i have the video for consolidated's 'tool and die' somewhere...crazy skinhead lookin' muthas.

[JE:5]

Bolt thrower, now there's a name I haven't heard for ages.
the games workshop album covers spring to mind!

[Lady E]

SST is a great label, thanks dirtyho. still going strong by the looks of things

i missed seeing fugazi and i really wish i hadnt...the last time i saw them was a brixton academy in 1991 (?) was anyone else there? i think that was it...

j mascis and the fog are EXCELLENt. i love them. and Mogwai.

i used to know the stupids a bit when i was a wee lass and last year saw wolfie retard a few times in brighton, which was cool. he formed a band called Lovejunk 15 years ago or whatever, very replacements influenced, shambolic but nice, still going...apparently tommy stupid is making drum n bass in australia.
leatherface i met a few times, i saw them play so much early 90s. one of them was in that band that did the punk cover of nelly the elephant, cant remember their name - pink lace?
does anyone like the meat puppets? i have one album and i havent got into it - can anyone suggest one worth buying, there seem to be loads

[Irrungenwirrungen]

A few faves...

Punk Side
Minor Threat, 7 Seconds, Operation Ivy, Descendants, Cro-Mags, DKs (who I notice are touring at the moment in Europe without JB-don't know if anyone's already mentioned that)

I used to like Manowar, saw them one night followed by Motorhead the next= Deaf Forever. Manowar really used to fit any metal cliche you could think of- the buxom wench, the 'concept' album etc...
My fave metal LPs- Ozzy - Tribute (to Randy Rhodes), WASP- Live in the Raw, Metallica- Master of Puppets, Slayer- Reign in Blood.

[Loz]

Look at that, I come back from a short absense and there is a thread about rock. Must be fate.

Lots of favourites mentioned already in this thread, which I won't go into rementioning here.

Haven't seen Pitchshifter mentioned. They had a really nice punk/industrial/drum n bass thing going, although their last album wasn't up to par in my opinion. www.pitchshifter.com and Deviant were fantastic, though. Pop Fact, they contain the guitarist from The Prodigy, Jim Davies.

MUX, and anyone else, of course, have you heard Nailbomb? A Max Cavalera & Alex Newport collaboration, lots of heavily distorted guitar riffs. Top stuff.

Oh, and I agree with people's views on the White Stripes. They rocked at Glastonbury, amazing how two people managed to fill a stage so large. However, I was near the front, and found myself in the moshpit, full of 15-18 year olds, and thinking to myself "I'm too old for all this jumping around" a sad day indeed.

[Marolo]

Emma -
meat puppets - too high to die is the rockiest and my favourite but try also
meat puupets ii (the one nirvana covered songs from in their unplugged)
and up on the sun, both on SST.
which one have you got?

[deccard]

too many puppiiiies
in foreign land

[Sheridan]

I forgot about nailbomb!
I loved fudge tunnel, alex newports group before.
all you cats who have seen manowar are deaf because they hold they guiness book of records for loudest band. the record is 144dB on stage.

oh and jess- I am a huge tool fan as well.
best live performance I have ever seen.
and I actually have a few bootlegs I made...

[zombie ritual]

Sheridan, I was waiting for a "Manowar are gay"-comment :-)

Many great bands have already been mentioned. So I just wanna add a few:

as for 80ies hardcore, check out, if you stumble across, any of these:
urban waste s/t (1982 or so)
die kreuzen s/t (1984, touch & go)
negative approach "tied down" (1983 touch & go)
d.r.i. "dealing with it" (1985)
articles of faith "give thanks" (1985), they have reissued all their early stuff recently
poison idea "pick your king"-ep, "record collectors are pretentious assholes"
I also want to remind all people of the melvins, one of the fucking greatest bands in the universe

Also: does anyone remember cop shoot cop??? Other great industrial rock: FOETUS!!! the young gods (the first two records)

As for metal: thrash - kreator, destruction, dark angel, whiplash, coroner, carnal forge, dew-scented
death - death, cannibal corpse, pestilence, CRYPTOPSY, IMMOLATION, possessed ("seven churches" - yeah!!!)
black (old) - early bathory, and of course the mighty CELTIC FROST
(new, if you don't mind a little silliness) - marduk

One of the best labels being in existence nowadays is RELAPSE rec. (they have also a twin label for noise stuff like merzbow etc. called RELEASE) with so many great bands on: today is the day, pig destroyer, cephalic carnage, nasum, exhumed, DILLINGER ESCAPE PLAN

also great: HYDRAHEAD if you like modern metalcore: essential current bands like CONVERGE (really my favourite guitar band at the moment), botch, KNUT (from switzerland), isis and others...

also check out, if you find them: shora, nostromo, trapdoor fucking exit, kurt (noise rock from germany). OK this is it for the moment

[Mui]

Queens of the stone age.......rawk

[Lady E]

my meat puppets album is on rykodisc. gonna check it at the office

i saw cop shoot cop a couple of times. they struck me as being pretty nasty

and welcome back to Loz!!! how are you man?

[nothinghere]

Zombie Ritual- Yes Relapse!!!!
Cant say enough how good this label is. I stummbled into their store in Philly and have been hooked ever since. Always been a big Slayer fan and this was the exact thing I was looking for. When I came back home and told my metal friend of finding this place he almost passed out and said, "you know how many dreams I have of going to that place". Anyway some other metal stuff i dig
Malevolent Creation
Burnt By The Sun
Carcus

[nothinghere]

oh also not neccisarily straight metal butr I like

Isis and side project OMG

[Sheridan]

how come no one has mentioned skid row!!
we are the youth gone wild!!:!

[zombie ritual]

Malevolent Creation - hmmm, they're solid, but not that special
Burnt by the sun - fucking ace!!!

Other metallic hardcore bands who deserve a mention: Playing Enemy, Born Under Saturn, Cattle Press, Deadguy, Keelhaul, ZENI GEVA, AGORAPHOBIC NOSEBLEED, Catharsis

anyone care about old NOMEANSNO? Or Victims Family?

[dirtyho]

Its not metal, but what about Sonic Youth
Death Valley 69 kicks arse

[phil]

what about claw hammer

[nothinghere]

I want to live a SONIC YOUTH!!!

[nothinghere]

@ Zombie- On MC ya my friend says the same thing about them, but Im not to versed in good metal. What would you suggest I pick up next based on stuff I listed?

[MUX]

loz... yes yes of coarse i know Nailbomb :) anychance somebody's got an mp3 copy? lost my cd :(
'get of your fuckin knees! u got religous cancer!' :)

Sheriden : i know this guy down here that did all The skid row's singers tatoo's and used to be he's giutar tech roadie

[Atarythm]

my favorite band ever : soulfly
other ones : sepultura (with max cavalera...), clawfinger, korn deftones, machine head......

@ zombie ritual : any chances to see at the soulfly concert in Fribourg the 9th of march ? I won't sleep till then... 8| ...

[Sheridan]

Originally posted by MUX
Sheriden : i know this guy down here that did all The skid row's singers tatoo's and used to be he's giutar tech roadie

Maybe I've seen him. I went to the kiss farewell tour with the original line up in full make up and skid row opened. me and my buddies went in to our seats and we were already drunk and rather high and watched sebastian bach run around the stage screaming 'do you want to rock and roll!'
and then there was this one guy who was a few rows ahead of us who was standing the whole time and singing every freakin word of the songs. he almost cried when they played '18 and life'.
I almost died of laughter.

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by JE:5
Bolt thrower, now there's a name I haven't heard for ages.
the games workshop album covers spring to mind!

ha ha, Warhammer Records what a fucking fiasco - huh huh huh...

(anyone here doesn't know, for my sins, I used to work for Games Workshop as one of their games designers)...

[Sheridan]

I used to play warhammer 20,000. was that the correct name? I used to play as the hunter/slayers because the figures looked like the alien in the movie alien. I also remember chaos, that was a popular crew to play with. and then there were the elves, or orcs, or goblins. something like that. it has been so long.

[Loz]

One thing I forgot to mention last time, when someone mentioned Bodycount, I recalled a Chuck D headed rap/metal project called Confrontation Camp.

Has anyone heard these? I love PE, Chuck D being the man, of course. Anyone who can tell me if they're any good, or have anything released I can look for, be a great help.

Emma - Hello there! It's been a long time. Life is ok, ticking along, looking for another new job, the usual. I'm also going to be on TV next week, see if you can spot me in the audience (not the indie band) of Question Time next Thursday.

MUX - check my private message.

Atarythm - Nailbomb are 1000 times heavier than Soulfly. And have a song called Shit Piñata. See how much better they are?

[Loz]

Oh, and anyone here heard The Darkness?

http://www.thedarknessrock.co.uk

As the URL says, they rock.

Sort of a cross between AC/DC and Queen. In a good way. And they are totally fantastic live. One of the best gigs I've been to, even though I couldn't hear out my left ear for 3 days afterwards.

[zombie ritual]

@ nothinghere: I recommend the latest Burnt by the Sun album. It's called "Soundtrack to the Personal Revolution" (of course on Relapse). And if you wanna try some really wicked death metal, try Cryptopsy or Cephalic Carnage or Pig Destroyer (more grindcore actually). They will make Malevolent Creation look pretty conventional.

@ Atarhythm: No, I'm not going to see Soulfly, cause I don't like them. I don't like numetal at all. The only numetal record I have is Slipknots "Iowa", and it's actually the enhanced death and grind influence that makes it bearable.

Another band that has to be mentioned by all means: VOIVOD. Now that's 80ies thrash genius in its purest form.

[nothinghere]

Thanks will check em out:)

[phil]

Hi Loz, I don't know you. But from what I have seen, i like you....i like you a lot. a wish to offer my hand of friendship.

[Andreas]

Originally posted by Atarythm
my favorite band ever : soulfly
other ones : sepultura (with max cavalera...),

just bought a double disc of soulfly... havent really had time to get to much into detail with it, but max cavalera is for sure one of the best voices/producers in metal... sepultura made legendary albums... arise was my favourite...

[MUX]

it must be some fuzzy logic that Max cavalera would lead youu into electronica

[Andreas]

hmmm, but i also think, i think emma said that in an earlier post as well, that there is a big connection between heavy metal (trash, punk, hardcore etc etc etc and a long etc) and electronic dance music...

[MUX]

it's the art of rebellion against mainstream

[deccard]

Originally posted by MUX
it's the art of rebellion against mainstream

yup. but what happens when the rebellion becomes mainstream?!?!

damn where´s my ché lighter?

[MUX]

yeah i just went and spitted on my ol' rage poster

(Deccard, answer my email cause this the last time only b4 i leave)

[Loz]

Originally posted by phil
Hi Loz, I don't know you. But from what I have seen, i like you....i like you a lot. a wish to offer my hand of friendship.

I am flattered.

But what have you seen of me? Is that you who makes the bushes outside my house rustle in the night?;)

[Sheridan]

I can't speak highly enough of cephalic carnage.
certainly a band that has breathed new life into death metal. hard as nails, yet if you listen to the lyrics, they are funny as hell. singing about splicing the genes of weed and mice to make a super mutant. they are just a bunch of stoners who don't take themselves too seriously. which makes it fun.