if you didn't already know, bush is an asshole

[piscaries]

BUSH SAID that the size of the protests against a possible U.S.-led war against Iraq was irrelevant.

“Size of protest, it’s like deciding, ‘Well I’m going to decide policy based upon a focus group.’ The role of a leader is to decide policy based upon the security — in this case — security of the people.” Millions of people around the world took to the streets over the weekend to protest such a war.

“Democracy is a beautiful thing, and that people are allowed to express their opinion,” Bush said. “Some in the world don’t view Saddam Hussein as a risk to peace,” he added. “I respectfully disagree.”

He said such a war remains a final resort, but “the risk of doing nothing is even a worse option as far as I’m concerned.”
Though he called a second resolution “useful,” Bush added, “We don’t need it.”

http://www.msnbc.com/news/842500.asp?0cv=CA01

in other words: i don't give a fuck what the rest of the world wants. i want to be a fucking cowboy and do it my way, like it or not.

yyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaawww wwwwwwwwwwww

[pille'ocheoni]

he is an idiot...........ralph nater mother fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Weishaupt]

he is a diktator
everyone who say, we germans are nazis should look to amerika........
it is easy for all to say:
look in the germans history..............they are totaly evil and bad.
this predicates are untaught..........more........ ..........totaly ideotism

bush is the man jea..............he is an alcohilic playboy, who have a complexe of his father..............

i wish, i meet him on street............than i would spew in his face and have my personal "reichsparteitag" with him..............

[aleks]

what´s wrong with being an alcoholic playboy?

[Weishaupt]

hehehe..........

aleks for staplerfahrer
:-)

[jukka]

you gotta know aleks is back in da club ;)

[Mui]

you gotta remember though, saddam used the protests for his own political agenda, which is kinda wrong too....

[piscaries]

i need to move out of this country so bad.

[c s]

that's what the conservatives repeat on tv every day here. you can hardly stop him from doing that, no? the thing is: everybody knows saddam is evil, there's no need to inform people about that anymore. but it has to be made clear that the intentions of the other side aren't good at all either. it's evil vs. evil. and the demonstrators don't protect saddam, they protect the people of iraq who never voted for saddam.

[pille'ocheoni]

me too.cam where do you want to go?

[DsD]

germans are bad. they are against the war. i like my people for that! ;)

[invisibleplanet]

i like your people for that also - my family has been involved in war since the last 3 generations, and this is why i became a militant anti-war, anti-nuclear kind of gal when i was a teenager.

when women have true equality in decision making, i hope their will be less war. there must be another way..this phrase goes around and around in my head.

[piscaries]

about 100 million light years away there's a planet called 47 ursae majoris. apparently the atmosphere is supposed to be the closest match to the earth's. i say we just find a way for the no-future boardees to colonize it.

[c s]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
when women have true equality in decision making, i hope their will be less war

hmm i'm afraid condoleeza rice is one of gwb's actual brains...

[Sheridan]

I say all the american no-future members move to the same country: germany for instance.
then we can get a house and start a comune.
it will walden fucking pond for the 21st century.

[c s]

don't expect too much from here - if the conservatives had won the last elections (and it was close) 'our opinion' would be just like the one of uk, spain, italy... this can change. and then you'd have to look for a new house. better choose greenland at first. :D

[Sheridan]

thanks for the tip c s.
but I'd rather go to iceland than greenland. because greenland has more iceland, and iceland has more greenland. it is a huge marketing skam by the vikings.

[lars]

well.. the way i see it, it's going to pretty unsafe all around the world starting from the day bush begins war.

because they're big, they think they can influence whoever they want, do whatever they want and be whoever they please. a press release in the observer said that the US are drawing their military forces away from germany PLUS dropping all kind of support for the country. i don't know if they've already done did it, but when and if they do it, it means bush and the US will lose a LOT, probably the rest of the few points in the eyes of the europeans, thus rendering germany as a probable target for the US nuclear bombs... which in turn means that NATO (which the US have thought of parting, too) will join forces and attack the US, who then will fight back..

i don't know. i just see all these horrible dreams and visions of what will become of us. all this is going down because georgie-boy doesn't like the iraqi leader (who _is_ evil) but hasn't attacked anyone in a while. why aren't they looking for osama, isn't he supposed to be a bigger threat? why are the US threating to bomb iraq with nuclear bombs if at the same time they're take iraq's nukes away to stop them threating the world with the same nukes? why does georgie-boy say he's doing this to protect the lives of the innocent, when at the same time he's risking the lives of countless americans in form of the soldiers going over to iraq and the innocent civilians living in the US and being under threat of iraqi aerial forces that will attack the US directly as the first US missile hits the iraqi ground?

i can't comprehend how on earth can a man that stupid become the fucking president of the USA... and thinking a bit further, it seems that even though he's dumb, he's also being a dummy puppet for CIA, FBI, the US military, the pentagon and all the evil "intelligence" agencies and whoever.. *sigh*

what a tangled web we the humans have weaved.

[piscaries]

i'm going to new zealand. they seem to be civilized and they're nuclear free. and isolated too. wait wait.. why don't we all just pool some money and buy our own island? i think we could get the bikini atoll for a reasonable price. what's a little radioactivity going to do, eh?

[pille'ocheoni]

4 million , a little island off the coast of chile. thats isolated enough eh? well my real goal is similar to your's cam, but i think we need to figure out the cold fusion thing ,so we can travel in a much smaller efficent manor over those stars. 1 glass of water will power nyc for 65 years give or take five years to the size of the glass. but hey water is always going to hold new posibilities. im addicted to it, cant stop drinking it.

[Mui]

new zealand looks well good from over here too, it close, it's one of the few countries where the aussie dollar is worth something and they have wikkid mountains with snow......and lord of the rings

[Sheridan]

well it isn't going to be that bad lars. first off we won't use nuclear weapons on them. we will bomb the hell out of them, but they won't be nukes. the us will only use nukes if nukes are used first. for the most part. if any country were to be nuked by the us it would be n. korea. secondly the iraqis don't have the ability to bomb the usa directly. they don't have the physical capacity to do so, i.e. a vast air force and long range weapons. their air force is comprised of old russian mig 28s. which are from the early 80's. and if this war is any thing like the first, they won't last more than 5 minutes in the air.
and the only bombs we know they have are 'dirty bombs' or 'anti balistic missles'. these bombs have no ability to lock onto a target like the american 'smart bombs'. also the dirty bombs really only have a range of a few hundred miles if that. I also don't believe the us will bomb germany. there really is no reason to. they will just cut them off, which I certainly do not support!
the big back lash from the iraqi/ middle east to expect is more terrorist strikes in america. since that is really all they are capable of doing, militarily speaking. but yes it is going to suck, and these will not be fun times. :(

[piscaries]

instead of trying to fuck over the world, why doesn't bush put that money into cold fusion research?? what the fuck. god damnit. what a stupid fucking cowboy. i only hate 3 people and bush is just off the fucking scale. sorry for the profuse swearing but damnit i just don't understand why people have to be such assholes. i bet you it's all because he's got a small dick.

[pille'ocheoni]

that could be it, i just dont know what to think. sure i hate this whole thing but it seems like a dream gone bad which i just block out. the same drama played out over and over. does anybody know why the u.s. got out of germany>? i have no clue! and im against the " war " but hes going to do what ever he wants to do. its preety apparant now, since that whole disregard for the world wide protest. he laughed at it and acted like it didnt happen. i just hope we dont go nuclear. and we probally wont. this just hurts my brain.

[Sheridan]

I haven't been following the news the past few days since every time I turned it on they kept talking about snow. but I think we pulled out of germany because germany doesn't support us going to war.
as for the protests, I knew bush would turn a blind eye to them.
that is why I didn't even bother. what ever happened to his:
'conservitive compassion'?
oh wait I guess that sort of sums it up. his compassion is rather conservitive.

[pille'ocheoni]

hehe

[7875]

i can't help but have the feeling that America will get what it deserves. there has to be some way to put an end to its excessive behavior. it is horrible that the entire world has to suffer from the unfathomable stupidity of this country's governments and its ethics. those fat cats in Washington are willing to just nuke the whole fucking planet just so they can continue on living the high life and there just seems to be no way to stop them. its true, we didn't choose this president, he was chosen for us. if you make a noise that they don't like, they will quiet you. if you don't align yourself with their way of thinking, you are an enemy. the only freedoms that are being fought for are the freedoms to be a wasteful, overindulgent capitalist.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by piscaries
i'm going to new zealand. they seem to be civilized and they're nuclear free. and isolated too.
just watch out for biker-gangs on speed...no - not 'nice'
wait wait.. why don't we all just pool some money and buy our own island? i think we could get the bikini atoll for a reasonable price. what's a little radioactivity going to do, eh?
yeah, i'm up for this one.but not bikini atoll,
somewhere warm and european.

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by piscaries
instead of trying to fuck over the world, why doesn't bush put that money into cold fusion research??

no research needed. use money to build wind farms

[invisibleplanet]

Originally posted by lars
why aren't they looking for osama, isn't he supposed to be a bigger threat?
do u think they would say if they found him - alive or dead? i doubt it, as the ;purpose' to the war would then change radically.
i can't comprehend how on earth can a man that stupid become the fucking president of the USA... and thinking a bit further, it seems that even though he's dumb, he's also being a dummy puppet for CIA, FBI, the US military, the pentagon and all the evil "intelligence" agencies and whoever.. *sigh*
i thought the CIA were against many of Bush's methods?

[piscaries]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
do u think they would say if they found him - alive or dead? i doubt it, as the ;purpose' to the war would then change radically.

doesn't it seem a bit of a coincidence that the bush administration needed some real way to tie iraq & osama together... and then *POOF* here's this tape of "osama" saying that they were on the same side (at least in this matter)??

i also just heard on the news this morning that they think there are 3 tankers floating around that have maintained radio silence for about 3 months that are supposedly stowing iraqi chemical weapons? if it's true then that's kind of clever on saddam's part, but if it were true.. wouldn't those ships already be taken over by the us navy?

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
yeah, i'm up for this one.but not bikini atoll,
somewhere warm and european.

definately agreed. so where do you propose?

[pille'ocheoni]

@ip wind farms?>explain more:)..............and what do you think about future energy sources other than petrol. have you heard any other cool ideas?

[arar]

..hmm Bush might be an arse but do not make the mistake of thinking that he is an idiot..he has enough intelligence to seem humble and an ordinary Joe (not to intelligent or frightening) and has the common touch...Anyway its a bit unfair not all Bushs are bad, there's Kate Bush, and bush babies, I hope that they arent getting flak because of all this..

[arar]

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[piscaries]

oh damn.....

:! lol :)

[pille'ocheoni]

no response eh? i hasnt got that bad has it?

[invisibleplanet]

I found this excellent topic on the US Rave culture...where the remarks from the american board members really bring home their sense of hopelessness and futility when faced with their big brother style government.
I don't know if UK people feel a similar way too....

either way...all this time passes between this topic here: http://www.no-future.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=999 and this topic you're reading now, and one thing remains the same: Bush is still an asshole, and now he appears to have been joined by Blair
:(

[phil]

have u seen paris'salbum cover? well funny.

[invisibleplanet]

http://www.invisibleplanet.pwp.blueyo nder.co.uk/erutufon/who-wants-to-bomb-UR-city.jpg

[Ubik]

http://italy.indymedia.org/uploads/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg

[invisibleplanet]

(From a World Vision Geneva official's recent circular letter)

A seminar briefing was held at the World Health Organization January 7 on "Collateral Damage: the Health and Environmental Impact of War in Iraq". It was provided by an organization called MedAct, part of the Peoples' Health Movement, in partnership with sympathetic W.H.O. employees. This was a supplement to a
heretofore confidential and volatile report on the same subject done by the United Nations now available on <www.casi.org.uk>.

500,000 people killed, injured or dispossessed is the number of casualties being used for UN contingency planning...but it is agreed that the figure is likely to go much higher, as it is anticipated that the war will be regional in scope. The baseline
for this briefing was the figure of casualties from Gulf War I:

100,000 to 200,000 dead from military and environmental damage; 20,000 to 35,000 from the ensuing civil war, and 1.8 million internally displaced persons, with upwards of 350,000 children dead since from malnutrition and untreated illnesses. Maybe you knew these awful figures. I hadn't.

If the proposed war is, God forbid, prosecuted and it comes down this time to a "battle for Baghdad" with the likely destruction of
infrastructure, in spite of a desire for a "clean and clinical" war, the
damage is unthinkable...especially if in a last stand there are in fact
some "weapons of mass destruction" available to either side it could indeed lead to a regional conflagration. Previous illustrations of Beirut, Cechnya, or Somalia where there were more civilian than combatant deaths will be seen as childs' play.

The projected casualties by humanitarian experts range from 48,000 to 261,000 dead in the worst case scenario, with 375,000 to 3.9 million injured, with an additional 200,000 effected by the ensuing health crisis. The pollution caused by burning oil wells and refineries, massive troop movements and biological and chemical damage will cause countless Bhopal type injuries and death. Cities will be in ruins...with roads, airports, railways, homes, hospitals, sewer systems, factories, food delivery networks devastated ...and the result will be epidemic diseases. The
cash burden on the world community for the war and cleanup will be from $150-200 billion. For perspective Harvard's Jonathan Sachs points out that $100 billion would provide four years of health care for all the world's poor.

I am mindful again of Pope John Paul's comment in 1986 that "with the weapons now available it is immoral to use war to settle differences".

OPTIONS TO IRAQ WAR II

Some of the options which were discussed and which have not been exhausted by the forces arrayed against Saddam Hussein:

1. More and restructured sanctions to protect the most vulnerable;
2. Change the "oil for food" (a relief effort) to "oil for development";
3. Development of better containment strategies against the Baghdad regime with increased inspections;
4. Challenge the arms industry to find peaceful uses for their massive capacities;
5. Agreement for deep disarmament by all parties by seriously abiding by treaties, and,
6. Pursue more diplomatic approaches to problem solving.


Prime Minister Tony Blair indicated in his document with undergirding arguments, for military action against Baghdad, that it "is unlikely that a regional war could be avoided" as the unintended consequences are not containable.

How can rational governments or individual citizens support an action doomed from the start even if Saddam Hussein is replaced?

[Ubik]

Terry Jones
Sunday January 26, 2003
The Observer

I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I!

For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.

As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one.

Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours.

They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!

And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us.

That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way.

Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.

Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves.

Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims?

It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all out.

My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United States. That shuts her up.

Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come.

It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street.