no future ideology

[invisibleplanet]

I wish to ask a few questions:

Are we the organic engineers of thought and ideas on this board,
or do we intend to create tension which prevents open-
minded acceptance of the superficial differences between us?

orginally by Jim Morrison
Here come the Comedians
Look at them smile
We have assembled inside this ancient
& insane theatre

To propagate our lust for life
& flee the swarming wisdom
of the streets


How do u feel about the degeneration of threads into genial smalltalk, or random insults?

originally by Super_collider
as threads are fashioned
they flash inside a head



No-future board-members have called for a ban of another member.
All I ask is for u to remember that a group is defined by those whom it excludes, as well as those who it includes...
i say: refuse no-one membership!

Please discuss!

[pille'ocheoni]

well planet as usual, you state the matter in such an eliquite way that everything kind of turns the other way making a mockery out of the people that were oringinally offended and took an outlook on change. from your response i agree, but you state in such a manor, that anyone that dis-respects or abuse's another person, has the right to continue what they were doing and to keep on keeping on. i disagree with that. and your a little late. things have settled and calmed down, but i stand firm in the belief of phil's case being a problem that will continue without respect and or the inkling for change. this is my only point. if change does not come into affect, than what are you fighting for, or defending for that matter?

[Mui]

I say be cool, everyone says what they say for whatever reason, it's just that persons personality, who are we to judge is someone's personality is 'wrong' that's just an opinion, which in anothers eyes may be wrong too....some people are jerks, you can just not care and get on with life, or have a big fucking sook about it, I personally reckon that the former is the better......and banning is wrong

[c s]

i'm a democrat. if someone shows up whose intention is just spoiling the place for the majority just for fun it's would be quite silly in my opinion to 'suffer for his right of free speech'. a ban here wouldn't have been censorship. he'd still been able to voice his opinion...no, that's the core of the problem, this is not about opinions or standpoints at all. he'd still been able to provoke everywhere, nor would he have been cut off from contacting the people on this board in private.

and in fact i don't even think a ban would have been more than a symbolic act - you can always come back under another name, and if you don't have a static ip address there's no way to really ban anyone.

and of course i still prefer peace, and if it lasts now, it's the best solution. i've been on this board (and its predecessors) for many years. there hardly ever was a serious conflict. if someone appears then who suddenly makes the whole thing worse, i refuse to just put up with it. well, in fact i did for 1,5 months, i made no comment, just watched from distance. all i saw was that this guy was in every thread, dropping provocative one-liners all day, insulting everybody as much as possible.

and if the majority dislikes this and if it persists (currently it looks otherwise, which i prefer, as i said) i don't see why dogmas and ideologies (or ideals) should keep us from making the place as pleasant as it was, or at least try it symbolically.

as i said, my main point is that this was not about opinions. i'd protest if someone got excluded because of another point of view! but the problem is, in 1,5 months i learned nothing at all about phil's points of view. there was just no meaning in his postings, just insults. i don't see how this contributed to the board.

btw i'm against censorship/filtering on the internet, absolutely. on the net i don't have do visit the sites i don't like. people shoould be responsible enough to judge for themselves and be allowed to visit nazi sites etc. - or not do do it. but this was different from that. i couldn't avoid being affected, that's it.

oh yes, and if there had been no majority for a symbolic ban (as it looks like) i would've accepted it.

[piscaries]

we have the freedom of choice and i think it's only fair to excersize it. this is the first i've spoken of the matter and personally it hasn't really gotten to me in the way it appears to have gotten to many of you. words can hurt, but if there are no ears to hear, there can be no offense taken. i've skimmed over the threads and comments that are getting everybody wound up and i can only come to one conclusion: einstein is right - kind of. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. but if you don't react, there will be no counter-reaction. why let someone ruffle your feathers? all it takes is to ignore or brush it off. don't let it get to the personal level. after all, it is just text. many of us are more vested in the board than others. i've met some really awesome people on this board and have engaged in some great conversations. and there are some of you who i haven't really talked to. it's just like choosing your friends in school. you all have the same space to share, but you don't all have to get along. i'm not trying to get little cliques formed, but i do feel that we all have the right to be here. the only reason someone should be banned is if they are really messing things up. nothing is really messed up though. people are just pissed and starting to take things too personally. if you don't like someone, don't pay any attention to them. it's a very simple solution that can even be aided by the "ignore" option in your preferences.

[deccard]

i guess the real quality of this board shows how we can handle this conflict. erutufon is not lalaland and i think we can get our asses together and settle this.
it´s far too early to think about a ban. the situation isn´t as bad. just some misunderstandings how people state their opinion.

phil is somewhat a brick but there are others here in their own way and i have to admit that he brought some life into the board. was some good fun, some total dumb stuff etc...as ususal.

[aleks]

phil´s posts were neither funny nor entertaining....

[bitch one]

i agree with baba, phil is quite a funny cunt. his posts remind me of things my friends might say.

[Lady E]

one problem is that baba and i both have close friends who are friends of phils and therefore perhaps we like / understand his humour and are more tolerant towards him than anyone else can be arsed to be

he's alright but he doesnt warrant this level of attention so please can we stop it now.

as far as people's disagreements go - gunjack and arar etc and use of language like gay, nigger, retard on the board...

its a complex issue...
i dont feel comfortable with the special needs kids references but i also know from my own experience of working with and living with different children and adults with disabilities, learning or physical, that humour is a way of coping with it. i would have been surprised if gunjack really wanted to denigrate marginalised people but i agree its hard to tell on a message board and everyone should be aware of that.

re: nigger - this is a commonly used word in rap music. it doesnt automatically denote racism - not in the UK anyway. this is an international board and i suggets that if something offends you you explain why, rather thanaccuse. it may be a cultural difference. we can and should be learning from each other here.

gay: knid was the main culprit here but neatly underlined the point he was actually constantly making by referring to everything as gay by saying that "homophobia is gay". its a teenage boy phrase, a beavis and butthead phrase, that actually pisses people off - it was funny to see phil's indignation that knid called his much loved Squarepusher gay.
it was a joke that worked on many levels to me but that's my perspective. anyone who found it offensive should again have pointed it out. ive also known knid for many years and that helps to know where someone is coming from...

i dont know if i need to point out that prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, sexuality, gender, ability is not tolerated here. tongue in cheek / edgy humour, however, is welcomed and what we need to do as a group is try to make sure that boundaries are not crossed in seriousness without being questioned.

[arar]

Here, here..

[bitch one]

please miss can i be excused now? :)

[Lady E]

yes, make sure your homework is on my desk in the morning

[goinz]

open- minded ! ! !

[grobelaar]

Originally posted by invisibleplanet
I wish to ask a few questions:

Are we the organic engineers of thought and ideas on this board,
or do we intend to create tension which prevents open-
minded acceptance of the superficial differences between us?




No-future board-members have called for a ban of another member.
All I ask is for u to remember that a group is defined by those whom it excludes, as well as those who it includes...
i say: refuse no-one membership!

Please discuss!

Phillie-T rocks!