Bez's Madchester Anthems [Archive]

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 21:22

Aye it's a pretty representative selection.. That petrol emotion... thats a blast from the past.. I had that 'abandon' track on a tape of other baggy stuff I'd taped off the radio at the time.. I know I heard the Paris Angels track but I don't remember it.

Jesus.. that Northside record was the first 12" I ever bought ;)

V Knid esq

4th June 2006, 21:24

I dug out my old 7" of the Paris Angels song recently - I loved it back in the day but it REALLY does not stand up now. The electronic bits are pretty shabby.

World Of Twist were the best.

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 21:27

Don't remember World of Twist really, I remember deciding I didn't like them but probably based on something vapid.

V Knid esq

4th June 2006, 21:30

You should check em out - they're very different from the others... they had a great line in Hawkwind style Moog swooshes and more than a little touch of the glitterball about them.

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 21:35

It has 'Never Enough' by the Cure on.. I remember there was a b-side on that called "Harold and Joe" that i liked.

thepigjockey

4th June 2006, 21:40

I thought I knew who World of Twist were and then realised I got them mixed up with Intastella (who I liked, though probably I shouldn't have).

At that time there was some great stuff coming out and also some crap, just like now. It would be lovely to look back and say it was all great but that wouldn't be right. MC Tunes???? Adamski!! pfgh

notorious J.I.M

4th June 2006, 21:40

I dug out my old 7" of the Paris Angels song recently - I loved it back in the day but it REALLY does not stand up now. The electronic bits are pretty shabby.

There's lots of versions of that track, the best is on the original 12" and it still sounds pretty good to me. http://www.discogs.com/release/86134

V Knid esq

4th June 2006, 21:45

Oh I'll see if I can find that... It's a really strong song, just the execution is dodgy on the version I've got. There's a lovely completely acoustic cover by indie-schmindie shamblers Velocette.

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 21:48

The fucking Mock Turtles.

I saw them at the Slough music festival in about 1991 I think.. with Ride, Slowdive.. and maybe Curve?

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 21:53

This is making me think of lots of other so-so early nineties indie bands.. Bleach, The Cranes... The Belltower?.. Acetone..

V Knid esq

4th June 2006, 22:04

1000 Yard Cunting Stare :(

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 22:10

1000 Yard Cunting Stare :(

lol

heheheh

god they were lame weren't they. I had that single though.

thepigjockey

4th June 2006, 22:12

The fucking Mock Turtles. I saw them at the Slough music festival in about 1991 I think.. with Ride, Slowdive.. and maybe Curve?

Ride are great. Bought things by Ride and can still listen to them, bought things by The Mock Turtles, the Belltower, Slowdive and Curve and remember enjoying them but chucking them out ages ago.

At least I never bought anything by Carter USM.

V Knid esq

4th June 2006, 22:16

I saw Carter several times :(

Don't dismiss Slowdive. Check out their 'Souvlaki' album, they started taking on tons of electronica and dub influences... it's beautiful.

Ride were indeed magnificent, they were our local heroes growing up near Oxford.

The band I've just rediscovered from that period who sound spectacular now is Bongwater. Kramer's production is AMAZING.

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 22:16

I was really into Ride.. but haven't listened in a long time, could still get a kick out of their first album and EP's I reckon. I stil really like the first few slowdive EP's Curve used to get crazy press but I don't think they ever really stood up to the hype in the end.

Bongwater... now I remember liking some stuff.. were they shouty?

thepigjockey

4th June 2006, 22:18

The band I've just rediscovered from that period who sound spectacular now is Bongwater. Kramer's production is AMAZING.

AAAAAAARgh. SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S HEARD OF BONGWATER!

Had the yellow album on tape and loved all the weird samples on there. Brilliant stuff.

thepigjockey

4th June 2006, 22:19

I saw Carter several times :(

I know your sort 8-()

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 22:20

I saw Carter... about a week after I went to see Neds...

V Knid esq

4th June 2006, 22:22

thepigjockey

4th June 2006, 22:25

@ Knid, I don't know what you look like but I just imagine you in one of these:

http://www.carterusm.co.uk/shop/shoppics/long_sleeved2.jpg

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 22:26

Leaping a year or so ahead, anyone remember Radial Spangle? They were around about the same time as the first Mercury Rev album.. when they were good. Does anyone else like Boces?

notorious J.I.M

4th June 2006, 22:26

1000 Yard Cunting Stare :(

lol I know the guy who played bass for them, lives in Brighton now. I remember the fey indie types at art college being really in to them but I was more interested in house and hardcore by then.

notorious J.I.M

4th June 2006, 22:35

PWEI were my 'thing'. I think that's how I got sucked into Carter, because they were sort of peripherally connected to that Grebo with drum machines sort of vibe. And love it or hate it, Sheriff Fatman is a great drunk singalong song 8-() :illin:

Word, the Poppies, the Stuffies and the Neds were like the Holy Trinity in Brum around 1990 and I remember a gig at the Villa Leisure Centre in December 89 with all three on the bill along with Mega City 4. It was the height of Grebo, you needed to have one of these t-shirts and long hair to get in!

http://www.pweination.org/images/merch/28/large/1.jpg

thepigjockey

4th June 2006, 22:38

Can't criticize really, especially as I liked the Senseless Things :(

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 22:41

I can't let a mention of the wonder stuff go without saying this:- Rubbish cunts.

notorious J.I.M

4th June 2006, 22:48

I can't let a mention of the wonder stuff go without saying this:- Rubbish cunts.

I like the first two albums recorded before the Bass Thing died. I heard the original drummer died recently too but once they got into the early 90s and employed a fiddle player I agree they were Rubbish cunts. Miles Hunt is exactly what his name rhymes with!

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 22:50

I think I disliked people who liked them more than the band. Er.. no offence :)

notorious J.I.M

4th June 2006, 22:53

I think I disliked people who liked them more than the band. Er.. no offence :)

None taken, I was a Poppies fan and only saw the Stuffies when they were sharing the bill. ;)

ckpqerjwrpwp

4th June 2006, 22:59

Aye the poppies were good, I saw them in Wolves.

V Knid esq

4th June 2006, 23:21

mdk

5th June 2006, 01:45

PWEI still don't get the credit for how exploratory they were, and even what great lyricists they were... I can still recite all the lyrics to Preaching To The Perverted / Radio PWEI / Can U Dig It / Dance Of The Mad

Cure for sanity is a great album...very metal...very, very metal noise..

fucking stourbridge massive werent it. Still not quite good enough to top Led Zep as the top stourbridge export. :)

very metal noise...noise pollution

mdk

5th June 2006, 01:52

incidentally i saw carter quite a few times, the gigs were great for stage diving..

i remember after the cov gig we were reading nme and there was a letter complaining about the 'stupid idiots diving off the stage', unfortunately someone got an accidental boot in the face and a broken nose, i think it was from bobby rauchenberg, or it could have been liam. good times.

fuck, i used to go to loads of gigs...i saw neds about 3 times as well..

Lady E

5th June 2006, 10:09

AAAAAAARgh. SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S HEARD OF BONGWATER!

Had the yellow album on tape and loved all the weird samples on there. Brilliant stuff.

BONGWATER ARE ONE OF MY FAVOURITE BANDS

although knid, you cant really talk about them in comparison with all these uk indie bands, they are totally different scene, energy, everything. they are like a psychedelic folk-rock version of the B-52s.

'the power of pussy' is one of my favourite ever albums

Lady E

5th June 2006, 10:15

in london on saturday i saw a 13 year old black kid wearing a PWEI tshirt that looked brand new. what the hell is that all about?

carter were DREADFUL. saw them millions of times due to their friendship with senseless things. totally not my thing.

i really loved the wonderstuff when i was at school. i remember poring over their lyrics in 4th year biology class with my best mate. great days.

ride were amazing and still sound really great actually.

i said this last time we had this chat but did anyone like edsel auctioneer? from leeds, pale saints related. i still listen to them a lot.

thepigjockey

5th June 2006, 10:15

BONGWATER ARE ONE OF MY FAVOURITE BANDS

...

'the power of pussy' is one of my favourite ever albums

That's the one, only ever owned it on cassette, it had a yellow border and maybe a girl in a fur bikini as the main pic, not sure... Will try and find it again.

Lady E

5th June 2006, 10:21

Can't criticize really, especially as I liked the Senseless Things :(

nowt wrong with that PJ. fine band. i used to know them then and have just got back in touch with ben via myspace.

im pissed off i didnt buy any records then and also, i had loads and loads of the hewlett / tank girl senseless things tshirts, which i either ripped up or gave away in a fit of anti-pop-punk pique. gutted.

Spandex

5th June 2006, 12:56

we used to cane slouvaki spacestation... but it's not something i still listen to... unlike loveless. mbv are the only shoegaze that stood the test of time... i could listen to "Leave them all behind" maybe once a year.. but loveless stands listening to once a month at least still.

decadnids

5th June 2006, 13:06

I saw Carter... about a week after I went to see Neds...

probably the same two tours i neds then i saw carter... 1991.

AVX23

5th June 2006, 13:07

The fucking Mock Turtles.

I saw them at the Slough music festival in about 1991 I think.. with Ride, Slowdive.. and maybe Curve?

I'm jealous - I fuckin love Ride, Mock Turtles ain't bad either - chilled :)

decadnids

5th June 2006, 13:08

i saw this band suppoting EAT, called papa sprain (i think) they were totally weird, at the time i didn't really get it, they were on stage hitting their guitars and playing around with drones and feedback, i reckon i would like it now.

cut out

5th June 2006, 13:20

hey emma - i've got 2 senseless things eps and the 1st Lp i was gonna sell on Ebay, but always seem to hangon to cos of the great covers! if you want them for old times sake lemme know and we can talk business ;) I didn't know Edsel Auctioneer really, but I still listen to the Pale Saints Lp a bit, nice Sunday music.

i was right into PWEI (clint's like a millionaire doing music for CSI now innit) and I still thing the 1st Neds ep is good (the rest is shite) i loved mega city 4 as a yoof, but now they make me all embaressed.

Ride were cool but that guy's voice was well annoying. Slowdive were and still are totally great, first 2 eps and Pygmalion are ace... keep trying to find the rest but hard to get hold of...I had a real soft spot for Chapterhouse, apart from those goddam weak ass home counties vocals.

Papa Sprain were pretty far out - got a good interview in Lime Lizard with them, think they more in an AR Kane vein.

Cranes and Curve are still going strong, so you could argue they are the shoegazers who've outlasted everyone else. Dunno what Curve are like but Cranes 'Particles and Waves' is a cool album.

Special mention to Revolver - their 'Heaven Sent an Angel' was pretty cool shoegazer-pop i seem to remember, they were hailed as the new beatles, they disappeared.

Up to date shoegazing? Gotta be the new Jesu ep 'Silver' - going to see them tonight in nottingham (if i get enuff work done).

Davenport

5th June 2006, 13:26

y isnt Tim dog And KRS 1 - I get wrecked
on it?

AVX23

5th June 2006, 13:47

Ride were cool but that guy's voice was well annoying. Slowdive were and still are totally great, first 2 eps and Pygmalion are ace... keep trying to find the rest but hard to get hold of...I had a real soft spot for Chapterhouse, apart from those goddam weak ass home counties vocals.

Special mention to Revolver - their 'Heaven Sent an Angel' was pretty cool shoegazer-pop i seem to remember, they were hailed as the new beatles, they disappeared.

Up to date shoegazing? Gotta be the new Jesu ep 'Silver' - going to see them tonight in nottingham (if i get enuff work done).

Aye - Revolver were pretty ace - as were chapterhouse - don't think that anyone really topped Ride or chapterhouse in the shoegazing stakes.

Suppose Sigor ros almost come close ? Fuckin great band.

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th June 2006, 13:49

cut out

5th June 2006, 14:08

sweet jesus - that's 'blood music' you're talking about... that album is one of the best chill out albums ever!

decadnids

5th June 2006, 14:24

ah wicked cut-out someone else heard of papa sprain!!! which i had some of their stuff. although i have a feeling the memory of them live is probably best kept as a memory.

fifi

5th June 2006, 14:48

Hardcore uproar - hehe! - now that takes me back a little...

dirtyho

5th June 2006, 14:53

Originally Posted by Numbnuts
I saw Carter... about a week after I went to see Neds...

probably the same two tours i neds then i saw carter... 1991.

I thinks I saw exactly the same tour - Woughton Centre Milton Keynes - Rock & Roll!

dirtyho

5th June 2006, 15:04

oops double post

AVX23

5th June 2006, 15:17

Revolver also played at that Slough music festival I went to, never cared for em much though. They have made me think of a band called Adorable. I'm also vaguely remembering some chapterhouse album remixed by global communication or reload now. bloody shoegazers.

heh heh - one day the shoegazers will inherit the earth :)

We will all link arms and stare at our converse on star's or summat like that, well at least I have shoes worth looking at I guess.

Orang Utan

5th June 2006, 15:40

in london on saturday i saw a 13 year old black kid wearing a PWEI tshirt that looked brand new. what the hell is that all about?

A very wealthy looking young black man in a well bling convertible BMW was parked outside my house on Saturday - and what was blasting out of the stereo?
Cliff Richard's Mistletoe and Wine

cut out

5th June 2006, 15:40

Not shoegazing but still undeniably dour, whiteboy, dreamy, indie masterpieces; there's a whole new thread for ya:

Swervedriver: Raise
Bark Psychosis: Hex
Rein Sanction: Broc's Cabin
MBV: Isn't Anything
AC Temple: Belinda Backwards
Galaxie 500: On Fire
Sonic Youth: Daydream Nation

for starters...

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th June 2006, 15:43

I never got round to hearing Galaxie 500.

I really like the first 3 Swervedriver EP's.

Scoz

5th June 2006, 15:54

cut out they've relatively just rereleased all of the slowdive albums with 2 now being double cds with second disc of stuff like peel sessions and singles and stuff.

Just for a day rerelease (http://www.discogs.com/release/575307)
Souvlaki rerelease (http://www.discogs.com/release/575851)

not that long ago before I'd actually listened to them again I was dismissing slowdive as being emabarssingly twee or something but listening to their stuff again reminded me just how great they were. And apparently something I read somewhere how much more of a bunch of twats oasis were for getting them dropped, though I always thought oasis were a bunch of twats anyway.

looks like you can still get the rereleases from boomkat

cut out

5th June 2006, 16:13

yeah, i was always embaressed about saying i liked slowdive but not about chapterhouse - got it the wrong way round really, but slowdive got a right pasting by the press once they decided they'd had enough of dreamy music.

I saw slowdive live at reading university once and they were fucking heavy... of course they weren't Emperor, but they were heavy in a different way, the drummer was beating the shit out of his kit and the guitars were swooping around like drunken pteradactyls. i used to catch a glmpse of them coming out of The Cell rehearsal rooms in Reading and think, 'you jammy bastards'

AVX23

5th June 2006, 17:35

I never got round to hearing Galaxie 500.

I really like the first 3 Swervedriver EP's.

Hmm swervedriver were good too, what's the one with son of mustang ford - I loved that tune, kinda like Dinosaur Jr but with less groaty singing, sayign that - the JR were good too I suppose :)

Lady E

5th June 2006, 17:45

dinosaur jr still rule. i love 'em

used to see swervedriver live a lot. and there was a band called 5:30 i quite liked.

content

5th June 2006, 18:44

lou barlow back dinosaur. it is amazing what money can do. to hear how lou felt about j after the breakup see The Freed Pig on Sebadoh III.

Galaxie 500 are wonderful. Bought Today this weekend. Very VU.

mdk

5th June 2006, 21:17

dinosaur jr still rule. i love 'em

used to see swervedriver live a lot. and there was a band called 5:30 i quite liked.

aaarghh..5:30..it all comes flooding back...i remember they had one song that was popular around our way..but i cant remember if i liked it or hated it..

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th June 2006, 21:21

aaarghh..5:30..it all comes flooding back...i remember they had one song that was popular around our way..but i cant remember if i liked it or hated it..

yep.. me neither :)

content

5th June 2006, 21:52

i feel the pain of everyone...and then i feel nothing...

V Knid esq

5th June 2006, 21:55

5:30 had a singer called Tara (a bloke), had quite a op art/ pop art look, and owned Alastair Crowley's front door. I remember nothing of their music though.

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th June 2006, 21:56

5:30 are perhaps one of the hardest bands to search for on the internet..

Loz

5th June 2006, 22:15

5:30, A and The Music are probably the hardest bands to search for.

kams

5th June 2006, 22:21

and The The

Yer_Maw

5th June 2006, 22:26

search for an album or track name. bloody hell, search term losers.

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th June 2006, 22:26

aaarghh..5:30..it all comes flooding back...i remember they had one song that was popular around our way..but i cant remember if i liked it or hated it..

I'm getting vague memories of a line which "I'm turning into someone else, I'm turning into.. me?.." dunno

ckpqerjwrpwp

5th June 2006, 22:28

search for an album or track name. bloody hell, search term losers.

I was searching on the band name to try and find an album or track name ;)

Yer_Maw

5th June 2006, 22:30

Loz

5th June 2006, 22:31

:illin:

Yer_Maw

5th June 2006, 22:54

greb saddos. well if the tapes are coming out, found this from my yoof.

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cut out

6th June 2006, 09:09

5:30 had a song out called 'Abstain' - i used to have it on 7" but gave it away. It was alright, just poppy/punky indie.

Lady E

7th June 2006, 08:40

5:30 had a song out called 'Abstain' - i used to have it on 7" but gave it away. It was alright, just poppy/punky indie.

did it go "ABstaaaain, let yourself go"

cut out

7th June 2006, 09:08

yeah... "have yourself a good time, dan dah dah dahhhhhh"

really, it was pretty feeble in the scheme of the overall legacy of pop.

Lady E

7th June 2006, 09:13

you are right of course. i think i fancied tara out of 5:30 more than i liked or cared about their music.

cut out

7th June 2006, 10:35

they were big on tie-die.

"Tara and Paul continue to make, and sell, records as The Nubiles and Orange Deluxe respectively."

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:0VHNyrod4hIJ:ww w.marksturdy.dsl.pipex.com/fivethirty/530/articles/roughguide.htm+5:30+abstain&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=46

ckpqerjwrpwp

7th June 2006, 10:53

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:0VHNyrod4hIJ:ww w.marksturdy.dsl.pipex.com/fivethirty/530/articles/roughguide.htm+5:30+abstain&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=46

Aha. I think the song MDK was talking about was "13th Disciple".
I've no interest in hearing it :)

AVX23

7th June 2006, 14:46

seen the ad for this on TV last night (my 1st sit in front of the TV in weeks - hmm bliss).

I'm sold !!! Off to buy it this afternoon, Rave on !

ckpqerjwrpwp

8th June 2006, 19:11

Here's the ad :)

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and here's Paris Angel's - Perfume:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X5ekIFIazg

Who remind me a bit of New Fast Automatic Daffodils and Northside.
NFAD's were great.

Scoz

8th June 2006, 19:22

"Big" by the NFADs was ace.

That's not the version of Perfume I'm thinking of. There was one with an acidy line which was better. Actually it looks like the verson on the Bez's madchester classics is the one

ckpqerjwrpwp

8th June 2006, 19:24

"Big" by the NFADs was ace.

I liked a lot of their debut album "It ain't what you know, it's who you know" is great too.

Scoz

8th June 2006, 19:32

I only really remember Big cos it's on a record I have. My bro had the NFADs stuff back then so I didn't bother buying it. I may have a peel session on tape somewhere but can't be sure.

notorious J.I.M

8th June 2006, 20:16

That's not the version of Perfume I'm thinking of. There was one with an acidy line which was better. Actually it looks like the verson on the Bez's madchester classics is the one

You should look for the 12" I mentioned here
There's lots of versions of that track, the best is on the original 12" and it still sounds pretty good to me. http://www.discogs.com/release/86134
The video one is called Perfume (Version) and the acidy mix is called All On You (Perfume).